Want to increase you're in-game FPS?

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Originally Posted by 'Catamer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=174761#post 174761

two things I like to do with the page file.
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if you have a second hard drive other than your boot drive put your page file on the second drive.
if you don't have a second drive then create a seperate partition on the hard drive ( and assign it dirve level P: for pagefile ) and put you pagefile on that partition ( do not use it for anything other than the pagefile )
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make you page file a fixed size instead of the growing version.

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The partition idea is pretty pointless as your still accessing the same physical disk.
The first idea of using a separate drive combined with using a fixed size is acceptable :)

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Originally Posted by 'elsegundo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175250#po st175250

what is the science/reason behind launching windows media player? sorry if this was already covered. there was a grammar lesson i had to sift through.

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Read the wiki link as it will explain it better then I can, if you have any questions after reading that I'd be happy to assist.

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Originally Posted by 'Shaitan256',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175259#p ost175259

btw, WB Falkor (!)

So The Pagefile (Just to get it clear) Is this Virtual Memory (direct Translation from German)? You can set under:
Control Panel
System
Advanced
Systemperformance (or something like that)

Edit: Thanks

Just want to be sure not that I do something different and my PC isn't working anymore.^^

Seems only to work if you have enough Ram. The thing with the WMP is an old tipp, but never really tried it, someone of my old raiding guiled told it, I said I don't give a crap because Single Boxing doesn't take so much performance (didn't even know boxing exists btw)

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Correct mate :) and you can't possible break your computer if your only capping your ram.
The only time you could cause issues is the removal but if you have more than enough ram to cover your operating system + wow you shouldn't see any problems :)

and cheers for the welcome back :)

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Originally Posted by 'BobGnarly',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175383#po st175383

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Originally Posted by 'Falkor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=174528#post1 74528

I have to disagree 102% with you on this.
I'm a network engineer that works on windows servers and desktops all day long and have been for the past 6years.
Removing the page file completely I agree can cause some issues with certain applications, but limiting the page file size and stopping it from dynamically increasing DOES help you're system as a whole provided you have enough physical memory to cope.
I have done this on serveral gaming computers and laptops now all of which are running perfectly fine with no errors what so ever.
My work laptop running vista has no page file what so ever and 4GB of ram which I use on a daily basis with no issues, in fact vista is slightly faster in loading applications and games.....

Posting this is bad advice and not backing up you're statement is useless.
If you have a valid reason please reply with a constructive comment and I'll be happy to listen / discuss.

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I'll have to disagree with you. Here's why:

First of all, as I said, if you disabling paging and you run out of RAM bad things happen (applications crash or exit). If you run out of RAM with paging on, it probably doesn't run so hot, but it continues to run. I don't really know what "can cause issues with certain applications" means. It will cause problems with every application if you run out of RAM.

Second, disabling paging can actually cause your applications to consume more of your available memory. The reason is that if a program attempts to allocate a lot of memory which it may or may not use, if you have paging off, it has no option but to allocate it ALL out of system RAM. If paging is on, it can safely page the unused portion to disk where it can languish forever, and there is little to no impact on performance since that memory will never be faulted back into system RAM.

Third, even given both of these, I would conditionally agree with you except: my experiences have led me to conclude that any gains noticed on a system that isn't swapping (if your system IS swapping then you're crazy to have paging disabled) are minimal if any. This is where we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess.

So the way I see this, you are taking chances on bad things happening for a gain that I've never personally observed (and yes, I've tried - and yes, I have some experience in this field myself). And while you may never hit the upper end of your RAM, I and many others do. Start editing a few videos and you can easily consume 4G or more. Taking this chance might be OK for somebody who knows what they are biting off and knows what it'll look like when it happens (and how to fix it), but I don't agree that it should be recommended to people who might not have this type of experience.

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Now why didn't you post this as your last reply :)

I agree with you totally that if you use 100% of your system ram you will/can cause alot of problems which force applications and windows to crash.
But I'm posting this article without the "howto change your paging file" thus assuming <i know bad idea> that people who change their paging file will know what memory they are using :)

The same could be said about the windows default page file which auto expands.... what happens when your hard disk is full ;)

All taken into account this post has summed up that the safest option for anyone is simple to set a paging file limit rather then remove it and that windows media play "can" potentially help to increase fps and is a safer option to try.

This is all tweaking and if you really want to increase your FPS your best option is to buy a new gfx card. But there is alot of people that cannot simple spend £100/$200 just for the sake of improving a gaming experience.

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Originally Posted by 'Svpernova09',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175453# post175453

And I'm rather sure this applies to Vista only, and not XP. We went through this with AOC when people were trying to get higher FPS from that.

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Confirmed / Tested / Working - Windows XP :)

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Originally Posted by 'Falkor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175668#post1 75668

Now why didn't you post this as your last reply :)

I agree with you totally that if you use 100% of your system ram you will/can cause alot of problems which force applications and windows to crash.
But I'm posting this article without the "howto change your paging file" thus assuming <i know bad idea> that people who change their paging file will know what memory they are using :)

The same could be said about the windows default page file which auto expands.... what happens when your hard disk is full ;)

All taken into account this post has summed up that the safest option for anyone is simple to set a paging file limit rather then remove it and that windows media play "can" potentially help to increase fps and is a safer option to try.

This is all tweaking and if you really want to increase your FPS your best option is to buy a new gfx card. But there is alot of people that cannot simple spend £100/$200 just for the sake of improving a gaming experience.

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Well, I think I did. Maybe you're confusing me with the guy who told you to not give advice if you don't know what you're talking about, all I said is turning off paging when paging is happening is bad. And in fact, I even asked you why you thought that to make sure I understood you.

Oh and I teased you a little about grammar, but c'mon, I had a smiley there, and even a /duck. :)

Anyway, I think this thread accurately encapsulates the issue now, so on with our scheduled multiboxing. ;)

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Originally Posted by 'BobGnarly',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175675#po st175675

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Originally Posted by 'Falkor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=175668#post1 75668

Now why didn't you post this as your last reply :)

I agree with you totally that if you use 100% of your system ram you will/can cause alot of problems which force applications and windows to crash.
But I'm posting this article without the "howto change your paging file" thus assuming <i know bad idea> that people who change their paging file will know what memory they are using :)

The same could be said about the windows default page file which auto expands.... what happens when your hard disk is full ;)

All taken into account this post has summed up that the safest option for anyone is simple to set a paging file limit rather then remove it and that windows media play "can" potentially help to increase fps and is a safer option to try.

This is all tweaking and if you really want to increase your FPS your best option is to buy a new gfx card. But there is alot of people that cannot simple spend £100/$200 just for the sake of improving a gaming experience.

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Well, I think I did. Maybe you're confusing me with the guy who told you to not give advice if you don't know what you're talking about, all I said is turning off paging when paging is happening is bad. And in fact, I even asked you why you thought that to make sure I understood you.

Oh and I teased you a little about grammar, but c'mon, I had a smiley there, and even a /duck. :)

Anyway, I think this thread accurately encapsulates the issue now, so on with our scheduled multiboxing. ;)

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Indeed you are correct my humble apologies :) 10g? lol

I went in and changed my paging file to 512. vista had decided that 3 gigs was where it wanted this thing set. holy cow i got an increase of 5 fps while running around stormwind. btw im running 5 accts off one computer. I do have an AMD processor. thanks for the tip, much appreciated.

I tried setting my virtual memory to 400mb min/max on my Vista 64 install with 8gb of memory and within 20 seconds of flying from dalaran with 5 shamans Vista had run out of 8gb of memory and closed all my wow's. All I have running is Firefox, WMP and 5 WoW's. I guess Vista is a fricking hog. I was shocked to see this happen. Going to play around with it more and see how bad wow is spiking.

Edit: Well I realized my farclip was set to 1k on each instance and flying through Icecrown with that big of a farclip has each wow client taking a gig of memory. So 5 gigs for wow and a bunch being used for the OS and other stuff. My total memory usage was just over 8gigs with those settings which would actually explain why it was paging beyond what I had allocated. I typically don't keep my farclip out on all instnaces but yesterday I was dualboxing so I had everything turned up more. Going to continue to play with this.

After setting my Pagefile to 512MB (down from 3000+)only on my 2nd Hard Drive. I had no Problems in Cities, and did a little stress Test to my Comp:#
X2 5400+ Black Edition
4 GB Ram DDR2 800
4850HD Radeon 512MB
2x 7200 RPM HDD

Had 5 lvl 1 Gomes in IF and could run 1 House MD Episode from HD+ DvD drive (a german Comedian Show- Mario Barth Live) + Music (everything with VLC Player) + 2 Browsers open: Iron/Chromium (Google Chrome like) + Firefox Both with a lot YT Videos running on many Tabs.

What an increase :) Thanks for the Tip!!
XP32 btw

Tip of mine:
Set your Min and Maxfps right. It's insane if you do everything together what amount of performance could be get out of a Dual Core System, Gonna Add a second Monitor now^^