Mousecloner is very likely against the rules

I don't really care how MouseCloner has represented his product. He's made some claims about the program's legality that aren't quite confirmed, and that doesn't bother me, because I have thirty-four years of experience being lied to and half-lied to by well-meaning marketers and have learned to think for myself. It should make you suspicious, but frankly you should be suspicious about anything you buy. The fact that they're trying to take some money off you should get your mind working. It's not a very relevant issue to me.

For what it's worth, I sprung for MouseCloner last night and gave it a whirl on my druid team. It is indeed fun to play with, and feels about as automated to me as Keyclone does, i.e. kinda, but not really. I will say that it's not fully functional yet, sort of at the 'advanced end users' stage, and I'd recommend potential buyers to wait for a little while until the author at least gets his coordinate setup GUI up and running. There'll be plenty of time to debate the issue and wait for a Blizzard multiboxer to try the actual software and confirm its legality, before taking the plunge yourself.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172734#po st172734

Here are some FACTS to digest while you consider using this "product"

The author has misrepresented himself to the community, creating a new forum name to hide his true identity. No other author of software here has done this. (especially considering the fact that he's asking for your money)

The author has also misrepresented the "legality" of his product with the Blue "confirmation" post. The Blizzard employee basically said "use at your own risk", then the mousecloner author stated on his website "blizzard confirms its legal"! (where the author also misrepresented the true functionality of the product to a blizzard employee).

So you've got not one, but two VERY shady things this guy has done in recent times. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

I cannot stop anyone from buying and using this software, but if I were you, I'd stay the hell away from it.

I'm posting this as I'm here to protect the community. Sure, I'm an asshole sometimes, but I do actually care. :D

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I think it's important though to distinguish the two points here: 1) The alleged shadiness of Evilseed/MouseCloner and his methods and 2) the legality of the functionality he provides. Whether he's a saint or a crook doesn't change if this type of feature is legal and ok with Blizzard.

I just don't want to mix the two points here and I'm afraid that's what is happening. I.E. Because Evilseed doesn't seem like he can be trusted, sending mouse clicks this way is probably illegal.

Anyway...carry on.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172740#po st172740

He misrepresented his product TO Blizzard in an attempt to get a "sign off". Then after receiving a general "use at your own risk" answer back, he turned around and misrepresented the answer to his potential customers!

There is another word for this kind of behavior. Fraud.

Blizzard's answer was based on misleading details about the operation of the program.

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Good summary. That's the whole thing in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172740#po st172740

There is another word for this kind of behavior. Fraud.

Blizzard's answer was based on misleading details about the operation of the program.

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The truly beautiful part is that he doesn't quote the blue post when espousing how Blizz Okayed it. He quotes something from his initial question as to whether it was against the TOS or not, and takes the lack of a specific answer as agreement.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172740#po st172740

He misrepresented his product TO Blizzard in an attempt to get a "sign off". Then after receiving a general "use at your own risk" answer back, he turned around and misrepresented the answer to his potential customers!

There is another word for this kind of behavior. Fraud.

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You're drawing a conclusion based on your gut feeling about MouseCloner, not on actual facts. He did not necessarily deliberately misrepresent anything to Blizzard -- all we can really say with lots of caps and underlined words is that the confirmation from Blizzard was not based on a sufficient examination of the software. That's significant, but it's hardly a justification for using "fact" and "fraud" in the same breath.

I think the whole thing is silly personally. Why?

Account Suspension/Deletion.
BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU.

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Originally Posted by 'Malekyth',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172749#pos t172749

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172740#po st172740

He misrepresented his product TO Blizzard in an attempt to get a "sign off". Then after receiving a general "use at your own risk" answer back, he turned around and misrepresented the answer to his potential customers!

There is another word for this kind of behavior. Fraud.

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You're drawing a conclusion based on your gut feeling about MouseCloner, not on actual facts. He did not necessarily deliberately misrepresent anything to Blizzard -- all we can really say with lots of caps and underlined words is that the confirmation from Blizzard was not based on a sufficient examination of the software. That's significant, but it's hardly a justification for using "fact" and "fraud" in the same breath.

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I don't know your definition, but I believe if you leave out the questionable part of the story then I'd say it's misrepresentation.

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Originally Posted by 'Starbuck_Jones',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1727 53#post172753

I think the whole thing is silly personally. Why?

Account Suspension/Deletion.
BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU.

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How does this have anything to do with the argument? Because Blizzard has the right to delete our accounts at any moment means we should engage in activity that makes it more likely?

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Originally Posted by 'Malekyth',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172749#pos t172749

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172740#po st172740

He misrepresented his product TO Blizzard in an attempt to get a "sign off". Then after receiving a general "use at your own risk" answer back, he turned around and misrepresented the answer to his potential customers!

There is another word for this kind of behavior. Fraud.

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You're drawing a conclusion based on your gut feeling about MouseCloner, not on actual facts. He did not necessarily deliberately misrepresent anything to Blizzard -- all we can really say with lots of caps and underlined words is that the confirmation from Blizzard was not based on a sufficient examination of the software. That's significant, but it's hardly a justification for using "fact" and "fraud" in the same breath.

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Blizzards policies on third-party addons makes your gut feeling the single most important source of a judgment call.

In addition, the very reason Blizzard will not conclusively say "This application is guaranteed to be ok" is because they know people might try to misrepresent their products when seeking Blizzard's endorsement just like Evilseed has done. Hence their reticence when asked to give a definite yes or no answer, which unfortunately puts US in the position of deciding whether said application is worth the risk.

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Originally Posted by 'Owltoid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172754#post 172754

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Originally Posted by 'Malekyth',index.php?page=Thread&postID=172749#pos t172749

You're drawing a conclusion based on your gut feeling about MouseCloner, not on actual facts. He did not necessarily deliberately misrepresent anything to Blizzard -- all we can really say with lots of caps and underlined words is that the confirmation from Blizzard was not based on a sufficient examination of the software. That's significant, but it's hardly a justification for using "fact" and "fraud" in the same breath.

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I don't know your definition, but I believe if you leave out the questionable part of the story then I'd say it's misrepresentation.

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"Deliberately misrepresent" are the critical two words there. I'm not saying he didn't, but the point is, we don't know, and Fur's coming off like he's been found guilty without a shadow of a doubt (ironically, in the context of how misrepresentation is eeevil). The worst we can say is that his nod from Blizzard is based on incomplete data and should be taken with a shaker of salt.

Incidentally, what would be MouseCloner's motivation to release software that he himself knows will be eventually squashed by Blizzard? He spends a lot of time coding and setting up his PayPal merchant, a lot of time pimping the software in forums ... only to get four or five payments of twelve bucks before it all explodes and associates him forevermore with shady activity? The cost-benefit ratio is not in line with deliberate fraud. It's reasonable to assume that he believes his software to be on the level and didn't leave anything out of that post to Blizzard on purpose. So I'm inclined to believe that the character assassination is going too far at this point.