DKs are the new 4x Shamans IMO

I thank you for the help of the community, if I present too many ideas my appologizies.

Now I am a triple boxer this idea could work with more dk's also. But the agreed upon idea is controlling three chars or four chars in 5v5 as the other two players can make a big difference.

Here is a build idea for max burst it is rough of course and not the same for each DK. Here is where the Orc shines through for the 5% pet bonus. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfEMqh0Isf0zzAo. 0/44/27 or a more ranged damage one could be 0/41/30 as you would be able to cast blood boil twice and get your death runes and a death coild to throw.

You can also set up pet macros so they stun lock.


So what do you guys thing of this build and I was wondering if someone could try it orc or not (again the main talents is for max burst so feel free to tweak)

Totally digging my DKs. I played AV when they were level 58 and got 2nd in kills which surprised the hell out of me. I am wondering if these may be fun to play in arena. it would be easy to grab their healer and totally destroy it in seconds (unless it is a pally i guess). And with blood spec you kind of heal yourself as your fighthing. Going to give it a shot once they hit 80 (probably take me a month or two).

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Originally Posted by 'blast3r',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167023#post 167023

Totally digging my DKs. I played AV when they were level 58 and got 2nd in kills which surprised the hell out of me. I am wondering if these may be fun to play in arena. it would be easy to grab their healer and totally destroy it in seconds (unless it is a pally i guess). And with blood spec you kind of heal yourself as your fighthing. Going to give it a shot once they hit 80 (probably take me a month or two).

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ATM yes but once you start to face a standar setup like 3 dps,disc priest,holy paladin who passed the 1k mark in resillience .

The paladin is out of the question since he got divine shield.
Half decent teams wont allow you to get in Death Grip range of the priest and after that they still got hand of protection and hand of freedom.

paladin can only stop the melee damage, a lot of DK damage is magic (shadow/disease/whatever) so it will barely slow down a priest getting insta gibbed. However getting close enough to DG... well... ya.

I've been running my DK team as 1 full unholy (tank), 3x frost/unholy hybrids (DPS), 1x resto druid. So far instances have been a joke, the AOE damage these guys can put out is insane....trash gets AOEd down so fast (~10 seconds a pack), bosses are a joke, etc...druid seems to fit well for PVE as you can just keep everyone mobile at all time and just run from pack to pack. I think frost/unholy hybrid has some great PVP potential as well, you could pickup howling blast + most of the good unholy talents (down to bone shield, AMZ). In 3.0.8 IT->PES->HB->HB will be pretty brutal in PVP with 4-5dks, I can see that easily wiping out any zerg in a mere 3 GCDs

Good times, good times

I have troubles with DK's like everyone else here. I'm rolling a 5xpriest team specifically for PVP. I haven't decided whether to go full shadow, or disc - but I think a 5x priest would be quite viable vs any number of DK's or any other class. With the ability to dispel anything and 5x fear, the lack of burst dps would be made up for in surviveability and crazy DOT dps (15 dots - pain x5, devouring plague x5 + vampiric touch x5).

- Reflective Shield (disc) would make any AOE dmg suicide (would it actually return 225% of all dmg received [45% x5] ???)
- Mass dispel
- fear
- dispersion (shadow)
- penance (disc)
- improved shadowform (shadow)

your thoughts?

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Reflective Shield[/url] (disc) would make any AOE dmg suicide (would it actually return 225% of all dmg received [45% x5] ???)

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Reflective shield only reflects damage as long as the shield holds ("ABSORBED by the shield"). Meaning, unless all the damage hit at EXACTLY the same time (meaning the PWS buff remained up for all 5 attacks), it'd reflect the first thing to break the bubble and the rest would hit as normal without reflection. Furthermore, it's "bugged" (now called "intended") so that it only reflects if the shield is cast on the Priest themselves -- it won't reflect if an ally is shielded.

To make things even worse, the talent Improved Power Word: Shield is only improving the BASE value of the shield, which is pretty measly. In other words, the talent is bugged and will not scale with +healing (spellpower).

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penance[/url] (disc)

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Penance can only be cast on allies -- the priest can't heal themselves with it. I actually tried doing some arenas with Suvega and found disc to be pretty underwhelming in 2's due to the fact that I was often target #1 and my self-heals were not so hot.

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penance (disc) [/url]

Penance can only be cast on allies -- the priest can't heal themselves with it. I actually tried doing some arenas with Suvega and found disc to be pretty underwhelming in 2's due to the fact that I was often target #1 and my self-heals were not so hot.

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Agreed that the shield doesn't last long, but you can recast as soon as it breaks and it would return a good % of damage before it breaks the 2nd time.

With talents at lvl 80, a disc priest shield absorbs 2,564 dmg, and returns 1154 dmg (45%). You can recast as soon as it breaks, returning 2308 dmg (1145 * 2) - or a total of 11,540 dmg (2308 * 5)

At lvl 80, a mage casting one blizzard (3,408 base dmg, no spellpower or talents) on all my toons will take 7,665 dmg from it - up to 11,540 max dmg!! and thats if I sit there and do nothing while he is channeling it. Also, i would setup a macro to cast penance on the other toons (or clones cast on me), which would return 11,872 - 13,408 healing ( (1484-1676) * 2 * 4 ) in 2 seconds (channeled). None of this accounts for the +spell pwr gear i will have.

I don`t know if this will work out practically, but on paper, it sure looks viable - especially for group AOE dmg (vs dk`s)

What are/were your lvl 71 DKs wearing in PvP?

I have 2 lvl 71 DKs Unholy spec and pretty much stay in Blood Pres. I want to do 2v2s with them, but I like BGs too. My pair usually ends up in the top 10 (not hard...) for AVs and WGs but with no resil, I get eaten up by the crit-mongers.

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I'm rolling a 5xpriest team specifically for PVP

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To be honest man Id stop right now and think of a new team. My first team was a prot pally, 3 spriests and a holy priest which worked ok for pve but was worthless PVE when things got rough.

What they have seem ok on paper but trust me you will just get destroyed in pvp especially arena, boxing cloth classes in pvp just doesnt work. My priests used to work pretty well as a team when everything stacks, then just just got nerfed into the ground and any bonus of having a number in a group went out the window - ended up leaving my team at 72 and now have a DK/shammy team at 80 which just leaves the priests behind in any regard. I would still like to have a disc priest in my pve team for fort+imp spirit (+sp) but I cant be assed levelling another guy to 80 plus once again as soon as I try a bg or arena the disc will just get owned, ill get sick of ressing him in bgs.

Its really hard to go past shaman in numbers imo