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Ill have to test a boss i can kill with and without cl.. i never seem to run out of mana so far in wotlk.. i have always had cl in my rotations. Thats why i was wondering why nobody was adding it in this discussion. i THINK it adds dps even on single targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'pinotnoir',index.php?page=Thread&postID=151759#po st151759
So, I spent some time in Stormwind with my new best friends - the targetting dummies. Here are my results:
Attempt:
/cast Lava Burst
/castsequence Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt
Result:
Lava burst would cast, castsequence would never fire - not CL, not LB, lava burst would recast when cooled down.
Attempt:
/cast Lava Burst
/castrandom Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt
Result:
Lava burst would cast, castrandom would never fire - not CL, not LB, lava burst would recast when cooled down.
Attempt:
/castrandom Lava Burst,
/castsequence Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt
Result:
Lava burst would fire once, then the castsequence would continue until OOM.
Attempt:
/castrandom Lava Burst, Lava Burst,
/castsequence Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt
Result:
Lava burst would fire once, then the castsequence would continue until OOM.
Attempt:
/castrandom Lava Burst,
/castrandom Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt
Result: Lava burst would fire once, then the castrandom would continue until OOM.
Attempt:
/castrandom Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt
/cast Lava Burst
Result: Castrandom would work fine, lava burst would never be cast.
Attempt:
/castsequence Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt
/cast Lava Burst
Result: Castrandom would work fine, Lava burst would be cast about a third of the time (same as /castrandom CL, LB, LaBu)
Attempt:
/castsequence Chain Lightning, Lightning Bolt
/cast Lava Burst
Result: CL would cast, then LB, then LaBu, then CL, then LB, then wait for CL CD, then CL, etc
Attempt:
/castsequence Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Lava Burst
/cast Lightning Bolt
Result: FS cast, LaBu cast, LaBu cast, Lightning Bolt cast
Final result: No way to prioritize Lava burst using just one macro, I've ended up using one button to apply flame shock and a /castsequence lava burst, chain lightning, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lightning bolt solution
The final result has some downsides:
1) Chain lightning doesn't fire as soon as it's up (this will stop being a problem once LB becomes higher DPS for single targets)
2) Lava burst doesn't fire as soon as it's up if heroism isn't active
3) Reapplying FS for trash mobs is annoying
So I ended up making two versions - one for trash and one for bosses.
Boss version:
Button 1: Cast flame shock
Button 2: Castseq: Lava burst, Chain Lightning, Lightning bolt x 4
Trash version:
Button 1: -
Button 2: Castseq: Flame shock, lava burst, Chain Lightning, Lightning bolt x 3
I might need to add a 3rd lightning bolt once I get more haste.
One interesting thing to note is that the trash version (LB x 3) with manual FB application (when about to run out) was in terms of DPS not a significant improvement over just reapplying it before casting LB, which I don't really understand tbh.
Thanks for this thorough study. Now I know I have to do some stuff manually. For now I just use the old rotation and there isnt much stopping me so far.
/castrandom has never worked for me. when i tried it the macro got stuck on my conscencrate on my palidan and wouldn't do anything until the CD was up so i went with my own castsequence so i had my skill when i needed it.
I dont know why you would want to random anything really. i use one button or LB one for chain lightning and this for lava burst
/castsequence [nomod] flameshock, lavaburst
/use [mod:shift] 13
/cast [mod:shift] elemental mastery
/cast [mod:shift] lava burst
i use the shift modifier in case i have to use another shock like earth or wind and i still need lava to crit for the kill
and i have the flame shock glyph that adds 6 secs and lava burst doesnt consume it
Because of trinkets, haste procs, heroism, various haste levels on my toons etc... I've been having trouble with castsequences. Sometimes they'll get stuck, start at different spots etc...
So far, the best general "spam' button macro I could come up with is this:
/cast [modifier:shift] flame shock;
/castrandom flame shock,lava burst,
/castrandom lightning bolt
OR
/cast [modifier:shift] flame shock;
/castrandom flame shock,lava burst,
/castrandom lightning bolt, chain lightning
So you start off with SHIFT+macro to do a flame shock, but it's not necessary.
Then just spam the button.
here's what it does
1 in 3 casts it will try and cast lava burst
1 in 3 casts it will try and cast flame shock
1 in 3 it will cast lightning bolt (or 50/50 it will do LB/CL) depending on version
Since flame shock and LvB have a cooldown, you'll always get a lighting bolt when you spam this.
So when you spam this button, flame shock is always up (after the initial one) and lava burst is usually used within a cast of when it's up.
This was macro did better dps on the test dummies than my normal castsequence macro. And it never gets stuck.
call me old fasioned but I enjoy hitting multiple buttons.
Why all this castsequence and castrandom nonsense?
I am going to assume this is all for pve and not pvp as those macros would stop the common user from free thinking imo.
Are these macros just for mad dps and hitting high on the charts?
Because if your team consists of a tank + shamans, you don't know when the c/ds are up on LB on the shamans if the main screen you watch is your tank, plus its easier to sync up multi-class teams if you can limit your attacks to 1-2 buttons -- for example I have a castsequence on my mage and my 3 shamans, and will probably add a druid or DK in later and its nice to get a reasonable level of DPS (not maximum, but reasonable) with fewer buttons.
And I don't know about you, but my keybindings are already pretty full for other one-off actions -- 4 totems, purge/heroism, various heal (self, chain, tank, party, etc), elementals, self-buffs, thunderstorm, eat/drink... gah!
For the reasons described above and also its about making things easier to free you up for other things..lol like in my case I have one hand free since the other is holding a new born baby since he likes to be held 25 hours a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'entoptic',index.php?page=Thread&postID=153927#pos t153927
Sorry to say this, but you are way misinformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'algol',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149768#post14 9768
I easily spam a key 6-10 times a second, and some friends of mine have been up to 20 in some situations.
I read someplace you need to put a comma at the END of /castrandom lists:
i.e.
/castrandom Lightning Bolt,Flame Shock,
Also spelling and capitilization must be exact.
This should prioritize Lava Burst:
/castrandom Lava Burst,Lava Burst,Lava Burst,Lava Burst,Lava Burst,Lava Burst,Flame Shock,
If lava burst is not up it will cast flame shock, if it is up you have a high probablity (6:1) of Lava Burst instead of Flame Shock. And you can make that ratio as high as you want with macaroon I would think