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This is true and something I often times forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peri Helion
Token Price = $20
Sub Monthly = $15
This is all assuming that Tokens are in fact player bought and not Blizz posting them to better control economy and make a more consistent profit margin.
This logic is so flawed and a very common misconception! No one is ever playing for free really. Blizzard makes MORE from token sales. Someone had to BUY the token for someone else to buy and use for sub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renwyk
its exactly that..ive been talking about this for years...my first thoughts were about it when i joined this community in 2013Quote:
Originally Posted by stubbadub3000
Blizzard didnt care bots until they FINALLY cracked down on them in 2016 and did a mass banwave..yet multiboxers got cucked way back in early 2013
i ranted about this and got told by the admin himself "nah blizzard cares and likes u guys"
see here
https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...255#post414255
https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...252#post414252 btw that post isnt my edir but moderators
i ranted before but let me tell you...
i played blizzoid games since diablo 2...and like I ranted about this before but blizzoids DIDNT care about bots there at all(except like 2 giant banwaves that actually targeted bots) and literally banned legit players back in 1.10 instead of botters which was hilarious and kinda still triggers me literally 17-18 years later
tells you their priorities
Extremely bummed about this. Requested and received a refund for 4 of my 5 copies of Shadowlands since I still enjoy playing solo at times.
I've previously dual boxed SWTOR so that could experience both light and dark side of the stories. Maybe i'll look into that again.
I feel your pain - I know it's only a game but I've literally spent all day feeling what can only be described as "numb"... still can't believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by monitor
I was waiting to buy shadowlands x 5, thank god i did. Now i get to finish my private pilot license!Quote:
Originally Posted by gooch3008
RIP WOW!
I assume they will use the same technology to detect key broadcasting programs that they use to detect botting programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGiraldo
Also player reports will auto-ban people multi-boxing in populated areas.
If the broadcasting software is detected you'll get banned and will have an impossible task to convince low-paid, overworked human customer service agent there is a difference between what is bannable and what round robin isQuote:
Originally Posted by philadelphe
I agree - the difference between prohibited "input broadcasting software" and "input round-robin key assigning, but not broadcasting even though its capable of that software" is not a line I think anyone would want to stand on.
Well that didn't take long, not surprised in the slightest given the hatred directed to multi-boxers from the general wow community.Quote:
Originally Posted by kate
Also I've read a couple of misconceptions in this thread that I wanted to add my two cents on;
- Activision makes more money off tokens then subs. People buying game time with tokens is PREFERED by Activision as it makes them more money!
- The percentage of multi-boxers is greatly exaggerated here, I doubt we would break double, even single digit percentages of wow population. But we have a real and imagined effect on a large percentage of the wow population which leads to reports/complaints, which then requires Activision to spend money actioning these reports/complaints. Activision wants to spend the least amount of money managing WoW.
- As computers have gotten more powerful, the amount of toons in a multi-boxing team has gotten larger. The game has changed as well in ways like multi-tagging of mobs and multiple toons hitting the same herb/mine node. This has lead to a perfect storm of a single player being able to make a massive amount of gold in the modern game, and Activision have always worked against successful single player gold farms.
- ISBoxer was too good! It made multi-boxing accessible and thus more people used it leading to more abuse, reports, issues etc.
I canceled all my subs except the main account today and asked for a refund for the 4 min main accounts' shadowlands pre-orders. All 4 have been refunded. I didn't worry about the sub time as they were all a couple weeks from done on their 6 months.
Oh man. What am I going to do with all this new free time i've been given? help!
while we're at it, with battlegrounds not having follow either, in tbc i can just go 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 and 5/5 lightning mastery on each shaman and tab through windows press lightning at 0,1 sec difference and have them all fire at the same time
i can even add a 6th shaman and have curse of tongues on him
problem solved
What im curious about is how to interpret the wording about "using software to mirror commands to multiple accounts at the same time"
A. The CCP (eve-online) reaction of InnerSpace/ISBoxer is ok; Input broadcasting will get a ban.
B. Using software that can broadcast regardless of if you broadcast will get a ban.
I would like to two-box and use a 2nd programmable keypad to control the 2nd character. I'm not bold enough to try the hardware multiplexing to separate computers, I think that is getting to close the the "spirit" of the the rule change.
In case any of you are getting denied refunds by GM. Just resubmit. Eventually it will get to someone who dedicates time to it. Mine have gone through.
I've quitted today my job at HelloFresh beacuse they are bunch of dicks, it depends on your free will if you can give people, some people randomly receive less then they should, then there is specific words that you use that either grant you "refund,half refund, no refund" etc. Just bunch of bulls......Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantao
Yeah, some service reps are great, some are complete morons who should just delete their life ( I've been told numerous times that I am one of best reps that people got since i usually take care of everything promptly, not to mention being empathic as well to maximum). But cba tollerating that shit anymore, swear to god I'll write memoars about HF is junk company (not to mention they play on fine print in tricking alot of people).
On topic:
I am glad that you got refunded, as you should. Previous agent was obviously dick. This change sucks, they could limit boxing to 5 man, having hardware ban on botters/ limit the nodes to 1.
But yeah, people that relentlly sfarm gold, messed this up, and as some1 said how easy is to get into it, everyone started boxing not for challenge and fun, but for "profit"
I am just sad due to Lax and other's effort on this, I know that WOW is prolly biggest boxing software and biggest contributor, shame to put their work behind, if only they could be a proper company that handles bottitng, not like this, putting banhammer on everyone who is legit, burn you dammit Blizz., sigh.
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Originally Posted by schmonz
they could have just removed /follow, but they didnt. So i would assume they are okay with multiboxing wow and that they just got tired of the sudden wave of massive gold/resource farming botters/semi-afkers.
I dont think they have an issue with multiboxing getting popular at all, likely the opposite and they would welcome it, but not if it's going to be abused as it was in BFA by many. I'd say 4 out of 5 boxers i came across while boxing myself were either herb botting(yes botting) or afk/semi-afk stand still farming.
that makes a lot of sense, especially after the cosmetic wings transmog MTX popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercbeast
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Originally Posted by gameslah
that’s before they made clear tos changes like now, anyone who now multiboxes will be reported so hard it will suspend everyone doing such actions.
sorry but boxing for wow has now died.
back to one player mode now bois
at the positives how much we got more in our bank account each month🤪
You guys wanna know what screw multiboxing up ? Tokens.
I do agree they should limit to 5 at least and let us stay or move us to a server where it's allowed to box on classic and live.
Instead of just pulling a plug. A lot of people invested tons of time and money into it. I wish blizzard would understand.
Well, i do not follow the idea it is other players that made it a problem. I think it is blizzard who are responsible for fixing farming for multiboxing, means, only allow one char to loot a node out of a group of same player chars. That is technically possible, as we know very well from older collecting quests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purpleflavor
I will never blame another player but the designers, who are responsible for keeping the economy stable under given circumstances.
Well, it is very clear to me that the mats prices will go up. Which also means people will sell more tokens to acquire more mats for crafting.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethlan
My refund request was just denied by the GM, so ofc re-submitted.....
This 1000X over and to the rest of the community here, odd that my first post after lurking for many years is when people feel like the community is dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantao
Im not giving up...I always enjoyed the time spent tuning my setup...I think more than I enjoyed playing the game itself. So after blizzards clarifying comments yesterday on their stance I went out and ordered one of these: https://www.amazon.ca/EG-Joystick-Co...uttons&sr=8-25
I have a few old PC's laying around so hardware boxing it is...I think Im going to have some fun making a custom controller that hooks up to 4 pc's and the joysticks will just be for quick movements during fights while I drive off my main.
It will be nowhere near as efficient and fun to use as isboxer is but what I like about muti-boxing was always the challenge of it....so this is just a new challenge.
Trrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantao
Big thank you to Ebony for not only the addon-- but her amazing writeups, based on her beta testing before an expansion dropped. Always got me excited.
Mirai! Helped me out quite a few times over the MANY years, either with isboxer support or advanced pc tips :D appreciate you!
We didn't want this to happen. We tried to play fairly and clean where we could. Was a pretty fun 15 or so years.
FYI I submitted my request and got 4 refunds. I kept one for now. I suspect I'll get bored but we'll see. I"m interested if anyone does find a single machine setup that works with no broadcast software. I was thinking of recompiling hotkeynet as a different EXE name but not sure if the warden would find that.
If you ask for a refund then do not tell them it's because of the multiboxing change. They might use that as a reason to deny you. Just don't say anything at all. If you DO say something then say you're unhappy because the game was delayed since that's the entire reason they're giving refunds in the first place. They gave me an 800 dollar refund so you can definitely get it.
Better do not try it, it is still a TOS violation. Also, warden is not blizzards only line of defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitshan
the news broke my heart, i really hope they will change their policy maybe to multibox with max 5 chars. If not i also lost all the fun in the game and also when tbc server will come out I have no reason to play it anymore :(
It sucks, I loved the challenge of setting up a dungeon team and doing mythics. Sucks that they didn't just limit it to a lower count. I can see a reason to prevent the 30 druids camping hyper spawns.
Nail in the coffin for me. I started boxing 14 toons at the end of legion and half way through BFA. I stopped mainly because GMs would constantly harass me because cry babies would report me for just sitting on my Ally city Boralus tweaking my team’s rotation. Also sitting in abandon Iron Forge transmogging my toons and a GM would jump in my chat and tell me to stop harassing players. I was like WTF are you talking about I literally just logged in. I would record everything when I logged in so I always had prove that I was minding my own business. I never got banned but the constant harassment got me to the point I didn’t want to risk getting perma Ban. On the bright side Blizz saved me thousands I was exited about the new PvP Vendors and PvP changes I was starting to contemplate bringing back my UH DKs and Resto Shamans for the new expansion. I was gonna upgrade my machine to the new AMD 5950x, the Radeon 6800XT, 64GBs the 14 new subs and expacs . TY Blizz you have save me thousands of dollars. I am permanently hanging my Multiboxing gloves and retiring from this addiction. I’ll use that money to buy other crap I don’t need lol
In case you want to keep playing a single account and need to mail all your gold and items to your main, until November 9th WoW retail is open for free.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ne...d-november-5-9
So, after reading I'm still at a lost to if we are able to continue useing ISBoxer for launch, window layout, switching, and all other aspects other than broadcasting anything (clicks & RR too) to the other windows? If they are watching running processes (which they are...) and acting on that, even having ISboxer running at all will be a ban. That's what I'm waiting on for clarification. And ofc support is taking the bush and playing Volley Ball with it without the slightest answer. Copy/past, repetitive responds.
I am amazed how people are getting such different responses from GMs. My GM literally just told me it's not about money for them (that made me laugh since, you know, Activision) and refunded 4 full games and 1 expansion without any problem even though I consumed multiple free boosts across all accounts and the games were purchased in May.
Hope you guys get your refunds
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Originally Posted by Algorithmic
I think it would be ok to lauch the game with Isboxer - you are not logged into the game - after launch close Isboxer and remember to delete the addon too.
At this point I would not run wow with ISboxer open.
To get easy follow https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/followme
And it's a no !Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
It's not IsBoxer they will track, but Innerspace, and you will not be able to close innerspace and be running IsBoxer actually.
You're kidding yourself if you think Activision makes enough money off multi-boxing that removing them will have any impact on their profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feint90
Warnings have started. This wasn't from me, but a fellow multiboxer. This was from a fellow Keyclone user, so they seem to be catching all the popular tools.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...62/unknown.png
Yeah I got the warnings too. I haven't Multiboxed since they announced the change, so it's just a friendly reminder I guess.
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Originally Posted by jak3676
And from the sound of it, they dont care if you disable the broadcasting or not... bummer. My plan was get a key pad and program the keys to send alt+1. use inner space to disable broadcasting and send alt+1 to slot 2.
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayley
That's why I was mentioning below, it's InnerSpace in background that they are chasing so there will be no way to use IsBoxer "correctly" or just for windows layout adjustments.
I would have loved it to be the case, but it won't.