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Ever since Sam Deathwalker has come to this forum, he has just been throwing around his E-peen about how he can box more characters than anyone else. It's not such a bad thing, but he seems to sorta disregard any and all civility when faced with another mass boxer. ( Is that even a term? Well I'll dub it mine if it isn't)
Some of the people here are interested in watching someone box 20 - 30 + toons, but frankly, the way Sam is going about is pretty meh~
More assumptions, I see. :) I will post my pics when I find the time. Right now, I'm leveling up :)[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113375#post 113375][quote='Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113365#p ost113365]Well at least I have the best monitor set up: And Im kinda fasts at posting pics heh:
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32 mounts at level 30 is going to hurt your budget a bit (1120g i believe), i hope you have a backup 70 to provide the cash
I sense that Xzin is getting off on this thread.
More assumptions, I see. :) I will post my pics when I find the time. Right now, I'm leveling up :)[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113437#post11343 7]
[quote='Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1133 75#post113375]
[quote='Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113365#p ost113365]Well at least I have the best monitor set up: And Im kinda fasts at posting pics heh:
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32 mounts at level 30 is going to hurt your budget a bit (1120g i believe), i hope you have a backup 70 to provide the cash[/quote]No, see that's one of the other advantages that shamans have. They all get Ghost Wolf form at level 20. I'll be using that all the way to level 60 and not even have a mount til then. :) And just thinking about it, that's one thing that Sam won't be able to do because his warrior won't have Ghost Wolf Form. For his guys to move together, he'll have to go with the slowest moving one.
I like your thinking, my Shaman only got a mount once TBC came along and the skill cost went down while the availability of gold went up. I recall it annoying some of the people that i did things with but i was happy with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113441#pos t113441
Dude, I am totally enjoying this. I live for this stuff. The more I can geek out on ultra high end setups, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Skuggomann',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113440#p ost113440
sorta disregard any and all civility when faced with another mass boxer
Im not being uncivil by asking he support his claims, if I came in here and said "I 100 box" and someone asked me to back it up with SS or Photos or logs or whatever would that be "uncivil"? People make claims, fine, lets see a bit of proof. Im not asking for much, he has backed up his 32 boxing claim in WoW good enough to suit me. I mean if I claimed I killed X mob over at the Warrior forum in EQ Id have 20 people demanding SS. Why would asking him for his names or guild in EQ be "uncivil". Plus I admit I am beat in WoW so far. What else you want me say? At any rate, win or lose competion is positive, makes me strive to improve. And if he had posted his claims more prolifically I woulndn't have to ask.
Also he has posted a lot here under his temor name:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/in...507&highlight=
And don't forget he has argued a bit with others as well:
What is the most boxxed characters in WoW today?
But clearly this is by FAR the most civil forum Iv ever been on, as everyone seems to take a mature standpoint on most everything.
Ya my pal wont get ghost, oh well. All will have mounts at some point.
Hey how do I look up or down without the mouse ... there is no command for that? Been setting up WinEQ and Interface all night so far. Getting 40 fps with full distance and everything on when I look far away and liek 60fps looking close (like indoors or where there is no distance), on my main with a single instance. And you can't close multiple windows by spamming esc ... and I get some kind of error where the mouse hand thing has to be over the box to activate it instead of just pointing at it with the tip of the finger, in full screen.
Because it basically sounds like this has become a "You're bigger than me?!!" competition. There's really only two people who care about this issue, which is fine, but in the grand scheme of things is any of this important? Who cares who multiboxes more toons than anybody else? If either of you wants the title of "Ultimate Multiboxer"....so what? It's impossible for you to make the claim you're having more fun multiboxing than anybody else here if that's what you're doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113494#p ost113494
Maybe there are a few younger folks here who might be impressed by all these numbers, but most of the adults see this as eye rolling material.
And if this is about who is the most dedicated multiboxer in existence by spending the most time and money on their machines, utilities, subscription fees, macro setup, micro-management, or whatever, then you both win! Congrats!!
If he is boxing WoW and still has active EQ accounts then technically he beat you there too Sam.
As for looking up or down - I suggest zooming way out rather than tilting the screen. It is available under options. You want more of a Warcraft II type of setup with that many characters.
Sam i find it hard to understand your pioritys in life, it seems you just want to be the best at a particular game and you want people to know / think your the best. But the fact is, you cannot buy your way to this in wow - The best would be someone who can maximise there dps output in top-end raids, and a top notch pvp'er probablly competing in esports tournaments.
You play 25+ wows at once, your just going to be known as the richest multiboxer - and i thought i get enough crap ingame for running 5 accounts...
At the end of the day, its your life you do what you enjoy - but there is no 'big and powerfull monster' in WoW for you to beat and then suddenly become the best. You need to remember just how casual WoW is compared to other games.
And i believe aelli holds the title for the best multiboxer atm, because he has done so well in 5v5 arenas ;)
hard to get the tittle the best, considering its pve, pvp, and as a boxer i guess its even harder,Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Carnage',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113527#post 113527
one could say someone is the best if he can solo every 5 mans isntance including heroic.
one could say 10 boxers or 2x 5 boxers are the best if they can solo all the 10 mans raids
or 25 mans boxers or group of 5 boxers for soloing 25 mans raids "in a manner of speaking solo since its more then one boxer ofc"
same with bg, or arena one can be the best within one or two area's but to be the overall best is quite so hard. but i would love to see the person who are good enough
to have 2100 raiding in arena, and solo 5 mans heroic and raids on bt/mh/sunwell level, that would be respect
C'mon, c'mon guys. everyone knows I'm the best.
Teh bestest !!1 even.
I'll find a screenshot for the non-believers
Damn, that screenshot was on my 40GB hard drive that crashed and burned in July.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113568#post1135 68
Pity. :(
I notice that no one is claiming that gamslah boxes more toons in WoW then Prepared ... gamslah didnt come in to defend himself, didnt show anything of value and in my opinion isnt even in the race.
Well ya I dont know pvp is so hard to measure. Right now ya I would say that aelli is the best pvp multi boxer, but surely when prepared hits 70 or 80 no one would claim that prepared could not kill aelli in pvp. If people are boxing 25 and more now days, then it seems the only resonable measument of who is overall best is who can solo the strongest boss mob. I mean if I have 25 level 10's and can't take out the same mob as someone with 5 level 70's well obviously the guy with 5 level 70's is ahead of me. Also that is applicable to everyone solo, 2 boxers, 5 boxers, 10 whatever. The strongest mob you can kill is how powerfull you are.
Unless boxers can meet directly on teh battlefield I don't see how pvp can be compared. You can say soandso is the best 5 man boxer or soandso is the best 3 man boxer based on arena standings. But in this game, none will argue that 25 equally geared and leveled toons are going to beat 15 almost every time. I just dont see any universal way to see who the best pvper overall is. Maybe wintergrasp might have some solution there.
The claim that "no one cares" is kinda speclitive. Go to the SS section of this forum. Or go to this thread;
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retar...rver-wide.html
Where i compared my 6 guys to Furor. That thread has almost 1/4 MILLION views. The most viewed thread in the last few days on this forum, is this thread.
The most viewed thread on this whole site is the gameslah 23/46 boxing thread if iirc.
If you don't care, then why read the thread? The title is not missleading. If no one cares who is the "best" then why does wow have arena rankings, why do people show off their new mounts, or latest gear, or days played, or .....
Don't tell me that you don't play 5 so that you can feel superior to someone who plays 1 ...
"Oh no I don't play 5 so I can kill those that play 1 easy, I play 5 to umm err help starving childern, ya thats it I play 5 to help starving childern".
Your claim is like saying no one cares who wins the superbowl or the world cup lol ...
Ya IF he has 32 eq accounts, that he plays at the same time, he beats me all around, but lets see the guild and the toons first, their level and what not. Apperntly he donst have a lot of time invested in them if he is just going to give them up.... Ya ya another assumption. Well I assume Gameslah is not ligetly miltiboxing 46 and I havn't been proved wrong on that yet. Although Im not playing EQ latly my trader made 400,000 plat yesterday heh.
Im not playing in anything except first person view, I lock it into first person then unbind the zoom out key ... I want to feel I am my character. Its crazy there is no look up or look down key. Guess I have to mouse look from time to time, oh well.
Well back to the setting up, female blood elfs is looking good heh, unlike the ugly tar toons. At least my main will be decent looking.
Is anyone's computer getting 60fps all the time which distance full on? With just one wow loaded?
Also another point.
There is a thread about what people do for job.
If you work at your job, say a doctor, for 40 hours a week and multibox for 20 hours a week and someone asks you "What is your profession" do you say doctor or do you say multiboxing?
I multibox 50 hours a week and do landlord work 15 hours a week. What do you think my profesison is?
Page-up / Page down. First-person is a total failure for PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113577#p ost113577
*shock horror* even my previous, 3-year old computer could do that...Quote:
Is anyone's computer getting 60fps all the time which distance full on? With just one wow loaded?
couple quick comments :
prepared: you can grant levels at 60, I personally have done this and can confirm it works. I leveled up 2 druids to 31 on two vet accounts, and granted 29 levels (the max you can grant from a single character) to each of the druids from two RAF'd level 60 shamans. Try to arrange it so you only need 100-400 xp to hit level 32, then do the grant, because you will end up 99% into level 61.
sam: get into the wotlk beta. Your ideas of dominating lake wintergrasp are not going to work. LKW has a lot of (new) mounted combat, 2-3 people will easily take out any army in LKW. There are also siege weapons. Lake Wintergrasp is not like AV or other stand-still scenarios, its heavily geared towards mounted and siege combat which will be fine for 3 boxing (the new mounts can take up to 3 people), maybe 5 boxing, but not much more.
and sam, the thread that you linked to has most people mocking you...
Innocent until proven guilty Sam.. you're making the accusations, you're supposed to prove ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113577#p ost113577
I think it might come as a shock, but there is no boss in wow that you can take down like that with your obvious massive one-man-army firepower. Ok, lets say kazzak or doomwalker as they are world bosses, but you'll find that you cant just go full dps on them ;)
Also, you're talking pvp like it's your accounts vs someone elses accounts.. no, it's a team vs a team. with the SAME number of toons on each side.
If a football club has more players than another, do they play with more? nope. Aelli, is betting 5 man teams, with 5 toons. In the most difficult pvp bracket. At this point (i think) he's probably the best PVP boxer. (although i've seen others at the top too, but in different battlegrounds so who knows..)
Sorry, this is just plain stupid.Quote:
Oh no I don't play 5 so I can kill those that play 1 easy, I play 5 to umm err help starving childern, ya thats it I play 5 to help starving childern".
a 5-man group can go instances, arena etc. And people DO that. it's a challenge to beat those instances
a 26/32 man group cant do shit apart staying in a zone and probably griefing young questers.
regarding the 'profession' thing...
Tell me how much money you make while multi boxing... I'm interested ;)
good night, i'm off for a sleep
-Zub
I believe another #1 in their battlegroup shaman group posted the other day. They'll have to do a 6 hour best of five deathmatch to claim #1 5box pvp. Let's get it started!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Carnage',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113527#post 113527
I don't think you know what the definition of the word "profession" is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113577#p ost113577
gameslah didn't actually "box" though so as neat as hit setup is, his motives are not (as far as I am aware) to play the game - just run the accounts.
No reqirement yur profesion makes money. Besides if you have a job and you lose money one year, that year its not your job?Quote:
4 a: a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation b: a principal calling, vocation, or employment c: the whole body of persons engaged in a calling
Well thats going to be a downer if wintergrasp isnt good for 25 plus toons. I am sure I will figure out how to spread out my guys enough to not die to bombs, dont forget i can control ONE toon as good as a sinlge player so if worsts comes to worst Ill just stay in some bomb proof spot on run in one at a time. One edge of my set up is that when I do take individual control of ONE toon its in full screen mode.
If page up and page down are bound to zoom in and zoom out thats not what I want.
Ya well it wasn't easy arguing in favor of multiboxing years ago ...
Well Prepared is doing 32, and he knows a ton more about the game then I do, I doubt he is planning to waste time greifing noobs when he hits 70.
Well back to reading all about macros and lulu see if anythign usefull as far as look up or down or whaterver I stumble accross.
Sam, FYI WARNING:
I noticed you said you were running WINEQ with your setup.
I'm not sure if this is a resolived issue with Innerspace-esque platforms, but WINEQ/WINEQ2 ceates and hooks a dll called....wind3d_9.dll or something like that.
Warden detects this dll and passes this along as an illegal third party client. Quite a large number of people using WINEQ were banned a couple months back for using this, although if they badgered Account Administration, they were able to get their accounts back.
At any rate, you can find blue posts which do NOT certify the use of this app.
If you are looking to resize windows, I suggest simply using wowmaximizer.exe: WoW Maximizer.
This tool works the same as Keyclone's Maximizer, except it doesn't come with a GUI to help you set it up. Its all command line.
However, if you have researched the use of WINEQ/2 with WoW and it seems fine to you, go ahead with your current plans. Just trying to help out.
PS. a profession is as simple as performing a task for which you are remunerated. The people who are bashing aspects of Sam that aren't even part of the focus of this forum (his home life, work, mental state, etc) is disgusting. Sam is not degenerating this forum. As cocky and -insert other mental analysis here- as Sam is, it is you who are reacting to said behaviours that are damaging the maturity of this thread. Quite a number of comments are not constructive at all towards whatever this thread has turned into, and I'd expect better from some of the people that have made them.
Its legal, it does LESS then Keyclone (btw even though I have decided upon wineq I strongly suggest that everyone else use Keyclone, as its vastly superior in most all respects, I have just concluded that I dont need/want key broadcasting to backgroud instances). The edge for me is that because I use it for EQ, I can keep everything exactly the same as I go back to play EQ, plus its easy to edit it in its ini file moreso then editing keyclone in its text ini file, seeing i been doing it for years. Plus Keyclone seems set up much more for tile play (which most everyone else does) instead of full screen like I do.
http://www.lavishsoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3947. If Wineq2 was made by anyone but LaX there would not be any worry, its just that all his other programs allow all kinds of cheating but Wineq2 is just even less then Keyclone.
Im going to have one key to switch between groups of 5. Ill then have 1 key for attack and 1 for heal.
Go to group 1 (look at main screen does Pal need a heal? Yes - hit heal key for 5 heals, No - hit attack key for 5 attacks).
Flip to group 2 same
3
4
5
1
2
Tell fight is done. No wasted mana on healing when I dont need healing. And Im killing if I dont need heals. I can flip thorugh 4 groups in eQ in 2 seconds. In wow I should be 5 groups in 3 seoncds, just in time to get back to the first group after the global cooldown is over ... I wont even have to think much cause Ill only be healing when under 20 percent anyway so 19 times out of 20 Ill be attacking.
Oh I dont know if its viable but if 1 follows 2 and 2 follows 3 and 3 follows 4 etc. then you move in a looong line and wintergrasp bombs dont kill all of you .... Har!
Also assuming all your toons are bound to the same up down left right keys you can just say spin around for a bit then move forward using just 2 keys and spead out kinda fast (as they move they will diverge almost automataclly). Then if you are using the target of target method to assist all your guys still have the main on target and you just hit a 3rd key to /follow and get back into a group for movement. Of course you might walk off cliffs and whatnot but ...
Sam,
26 guys is a lot but have you thought about method to improve efficiency? It doesn't sound like your setup is able to micro manage (not that it could without automation) so how do you deal with needing to heal 5 guys in 5 different groups at once? If you heal everybody, you stop DPS and waste a TON of mana. I don't see how you could micro manage the amount of healing you will need to be doing. DPS isn't too bad. 26 times anything = gibbed anyway. But healing may be a bit tricky, aside from chain heals.
Im not they will die, or chain heal will hit them, chain will self target the lowest HP person around. IF they get it fine if not well, they die. It will be one half of what the target gets but whatever.
As long as the main is up if some die its no big deal.
Dont forget I can play ONE character perfectly, and can get to any one of mine in about 8 seconds max. So if while I am goingthough the rotatioins I see one guy low on health he can self heal causeing me about a 4 seconds delay in the rotaion (which is very bad for sure). Its far from optimal but possible. I just figure that in pvp people will focus on the Pal main and in pve the Pal main will have agro .... So he is the target of all chain heals. I supposed in PvP someone could focus on some non mains and take them out but then the main is just free to keep targeting and it becomse a dps battle, which I figure is to my advantage ...
My is set is set up for micromanagment but ONLY ONE AT A TIME, with about 8 seconds going from one to ANY of the others. Once I am "on" that character I have full and complete control just as if I was only playing one caracter.
Actually, with shaman spells being on 1.5 sec global cooldown (1s for totems) you loose 50% of your potential dps by being able to issue only one command per 2 global cooldowns. I understand your concept, but it basically gimps your dps to half of what it could be - if your 3s estimation is correct. Any time lost and you gimp yourself further.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113656#p ost113656
Well I only plan ot use chain lightning which is a 6 seconds cooldown, anyway, so I have even more time to switch.
Ill be like 90 percent of full chaining chain lightning dps, Rotating spells for sure will more dps but well can't have everything, ... Still 24 CL will kill any single pvp oppenent, and in pve, if its like EQ, the dps limit will be based upon the Pal Agro not the max dps of the shaman.
3 s is a MAX I have timed 2 seconds consitantly in EQ for 4 switches.
Using keyclone and spamming two or three keys would probably do more dps ya. Maybe I can get my switching time lower if I really try. But you have latency build into the system as well so ...
Maybe there is a ligit legal work around to let you cast two spells from a single macro, but I havnt read it yet. Neither of those spells start the global countdown, but you cant cast both at the same time lol ... I suppose I could get 5 more toons and duel sceen them ... well when it comes time I need more dps Ill figure something out.
Oh oh, I just found out, not only am I a "multiboxer" I am also, gasp, a "keyboard turner" Oh the shame ....
More like 8 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113710#p ost113710
24 could probably kill a cheat death + shield wall + pain supp + 300+ resil / nature resist.
But 8 seconds to swap around? *cringe*
Thanks, yes I saw that trick about getting the percentage of experience left to hit the next level right at the max so that when the grants are done, they only need to do a little bit to hit the next level. Right now they are sitting just under level 21. After my shamans are leveled up, then I'll go back and work the alts to just about 32 as you said (if I have any time left from the 3 month recruit-a-friend time).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113593#po st113593
What is the point of 32.............seems like overkill.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113747#pos t113747
Wow Sam, if you're going to be playing both WoW and EQ, it's even going to take you longer to level up in WoW. I was the same way when I started WoW from EQ. I kept playing EQ for about 1 1/2 months before I finally switched permanently to WoW. In my humble opinion, WoW is so vastly better in game play than EQ in every way. From PVP to graphics, to trains, to just everything, WoW has EQ beat. This is the reason I believe WoW has so much success. Of course it has things that the Warcraft series were based on that got it started, but the reason it has so many players is really because the game play is so much better than any other MMORPG out there (including Shadowbane - sorry Rob). I've always said that any new MMORPG released after WoW that has more differences in game play than WoW has will have that much less subscribers. This is my opinion of course, but subscription numbers tend to back that up. Other than a few bugs here and there in the game, WoW is the best there is for an MMORPG. I love playing in PVE and PVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113656#p ost113656
But I strongly disagree with your suggestion to have everyone use Keyclone. My recommendation to anyone that boxxes multiple accounts is to use Octopus. I've stated the reasons why in other message threads and don't want to get into all of the reasons why here. Even though Octopus isn't being further developed, it still is in my opinion the best multibox program available now.
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Originally Posted by 'Cavuis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113755#post1 13755
The point of 32 is to destroy Stormwind and Ironforge (with a little help from others not just me and my boxxed characters) using 32 Fire Elementals and 96 totems right in the center of town. That's the entire reason I am boxxing 32 right now. My goal is to get to level 70 and get some PvP gear and destroy the Alliance on Aegwynn. It's really funny because Aegwynn apparently aren't used to seeing boxxers around. I get the 'WTF is this?' message all of the time. :)
hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113795#po st113795
"why do you box 100 shaman?"
"because I can drop 400 totems, 100 elementals, and spam lightning shield until the entire zone freezes and goes offline. It's like shooting fish in a barrel."
Why bother with 4 totem clicks when you can crash everything by using your Barov Peasant Caller ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113804#pos t113804
Damn i'd love to kill a 70 just with this trinket x 32.
Make sure you summon pets beforehand too.
Well I wont be playing eq much for 3 months but Im not abondoning goals that i have had for 6 or so years. There is so much more left to do in EQ. Maybe the moeny will force me to but maybe not, I have close to 300 days in my guys, in game, and probably the same aruging with people out of game. Im not throwing that in the trash. EQ gets better all the time. They come out with expansions that are better each release. They have mercenaries in teh next expansion. Sides, I am playing the bazzar game, making like 200K a day or so ... Besides a LOT of people have quit wow to return to EQ so its not like everyone thinks wow is better. Sides 24 guys is only 200 a month. Big deal ....
EQ is much harder and way less boxer friendly, you dont automatically kill people there like here. A good group of 6 will dismantle me in 20 seconds in EQ even though I have 24. I dont see that happening here.
Also wow looks so fake, EQ looks like a real world. And who wants their toons to look like cows (more reason to play in first person) ... Still ya wow has done a lot of things right.
If wow didnt have so many more players I would not have come to wow, but Im not well known in wow and its time to step into the most popular mmo.
i don't know anything about octopus but if its not being supported anymore well ...
Ya dont you get like 4000 honor points or whatever they are if you kill the ironforge boss? Inst that the dwarfs I thought like 1000 guards come and it cant be done?
you do get some honor, but it's a drop in the ocean that alterac valley can give you. And usually the city tends to lag up and die when too many people are around, and it becomes a lag fest where winners are non-target AOEs.
did you get any levels up on your team Sam?
I guess the starting macros and stuff will take the longest, i would really suggest you start with a group of 3/5 and have a feel first, get it working and maybe level them to 10 (90 minutes maybe), then replicate all settings on your other 4/5 groups and level them to 10 as well.
Ironforge has been a thorn in the side of the Horde for a long time and its time to destroy the threat. More Fuel Horde!
Iv got three macros written, I write them out of game in the ini files then copy the files to all 6 computers. "copy muppy" does it really fast once you set it up. I just put my best offensive spell in action bar slot one and hte best heal in 2, and i dont have to rewrite everything as I level. Im in no rush, setting everything up perfect saves time in the long run. DOnt find a way to look up and down with the keybaord, really sux on that one.
Hope they work lol: Those things on the first line of each macro is just the name / icon.
MACRO 3 "follow" Spell_Holy_WeaponMastery
/target SamDeathwkzz
/follow
END
MACRO 1 "HARM" Ability_Creature_Cursed_02
/target SamDeathwkzz
/click [target=targettarget, harm] ActionBarButton1
END
MACRO 2 "Heal" Ability_Druid_Dreamstate
/target SamDeathwkzz
/click ActionBarButton2
END
Um, do tell more on what makes it so fake?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113826#p ost113826
Its a well created virtual world, it has a different graphical style to other games yes, but its no less fake than any other.