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Evade bugging mobs to gain some sort of in-game advantage is typically considered an exploit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Schwarz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=106204#post 106204
The dynamics of the instance is that shadowhunters can and will try to hex you. Evade bugging them so they don't hex you isn't exactly a smart move.
I don't think you read his post correctly. He said if he stands on one side, he doesn't get hexed, if he stands on the other, the mobs evade. I don't think he wants either of the two to happen so he stands on the side shown in the screenshot. Where's the exploit?
My tactic with lvl 70 lock is .... Seed of corruption. My lock is crappy and siphon + CoA is doing to slow to make it fast. So I went with some kind of sl/sl build and did that way:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Darcla',index.php?page=Thread&postID=73971#post73 971
pulled 7-10 mobs with my Void, and then put seed on last mob taken by void, while casting i switch target and put void on that target to taunt mob right after first SoC i cast another one on taunted mob, then another one. With my crappy gear (quests only) i manage to cast 3 sometimes 4 SoCs, and thats enough to take group down.
Its tricky, and I died few times.
Main problems:
Void moved after I ordered him to switch target so mobs moved and I LoSed them and cant be fast enough with SoCs. After first boom there isn't two another and mobs are angry. Sometime aoe taunt helps.
Gathered too much and reached aoe cap and some mobs still alive. Not big deal, siphon helps in these situations.
Can't take all mobs after doors. I'm clearing front of Morgaine, then right side with optional boss. Then I aggro Morgaine with void, before mobs come I put seed on boss then fast switching target.
But the main problem is XP. It takes me up to 2 hours of max concentration to lvl. Not much considering I can't use RAF (Poland sucks) and it was draining me. Did only 24-28 and went to questing with follow on warlock. Dinged 30 and got mount, now I can quest fast with decent guide.
With RAF I think this tactic with SoC will be viable.
I don't think this is any kind of an exploit like Ticks said. if you stand on one side you get the chance of being hexed or mobs evading you. Agreed these are both bad things. But if you stand in the spot that I showed in the screenshot then you shouldn't get hexed. Maybe running this 8 times wasn;t enough to tell if you will ever be hexed. The hunters stand at ranged and just shoot me. I think one time I had a couple come up close and I killed them quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ticks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=106233#post10 6233
In short stand in my spot and you won't get hexed. Stand on the other side of the boxes you get evading mobs.
I think you need to re-read the post abit better then telling him hes using an exploit...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=106213#post 106213
He's just saying when he moves to another spot he gets hexed and then the mobs evade on him.
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Originally Posted by 'Ticks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=106233#post10 6233
I didn't edit out his post for a reason, because it's currently gray-area. If it were very clearly an exploit it wouldn't be allowed on these forums and I would've edited it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Lyrix',index.php?page=Thread&postID=106610#post10 6610
He's saying if he stands in a certain spot, he does NOT get hexed. This doesn't seem in-line with the mechanics of the mobs -- they are SUPPOSED to try and hex you.
He then said that if he was not SPECIFIC about his spot, then the mobs evade. This also is not in-line with the mechanics of the mobs -- under normal circumstances mobs should never evade.
I just stated that anything involving evading mobs or causing them not to behave the way they should is typically considered an exploit. Typically. It's up to Blizzard to decide for sure, but I'd say his method would be "use at your own risk". It doesn't sound safe to me (and that statement right there is called OPINION).
I know I can't read tone from just text but I can see how alot of new people are turned off by these forums. I don't really appreciate the holy than you attitude. I stumble across something that I thought was interesting. I don't know why the shadowhunters just want to shoot me when I am in that spot and not hex me. But it seems to be reproducable. Thought some people might like this information also. to clear things up I offer this high tech picture
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8182/evadesg1.th.jpg
So is LOS pulling considered an exploit also? Pretty sure casters NPC's are supposed to cast not run after you. Vyndree pretty sure you did this a couple times in your videos. Maybe you need to go through and re-edit your video to get rid of these "exploits"Quote:
I just stated that anything involving evading mobs or causing them not to behave the way they should is typically considered an exploit.
I'm not trying to be "holier than thou". I'm merely trying to be careful -- what you post here represents the community. You can't guarantee that your strategy is completely, 100% unbannable unless you've got a blue post to back it up. If you don't, I'm PERSONALLY uncomfortable having it being presented without the adequate amount of warning.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Schwarz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=106653#post 106653
Take this for example:
Let's say RAF boosting was considered a bug (which it is) that ended up being bannable (which it is not -- but bear with me here)
We have tons of threads, tons and tons of threads, explaining HOW to boost and HOW to use the RAF bonus and exactly what you need to do to get things set up. We have a thread to show our pull strats and our /played time to 60. And, thanks to us, if the above statement happened and RAF boosting was considered a bannable exploit of a bug (which, let me repeat IT IS NOT -- this is just a hypothetical), we would have been partially responsible for the banning of other people's accounts.
If I'm harsh when it comes to the rules, think about that for a minute. I am harsh because I CARE about people not getting banned. I follow the rules TO THE LETTER as an example to the community. I NEVER promote something unless I am prepared to back it up with blue posts.
That being said, I never said your method WAS an exploit, just that it was very close. Close enough to make me, personally, uncomfortable. But if a blue waltzes into a thread on the official forums and says "hey, this is OK!" then I will instantly back down. All I care about is that people make SMART decisions based on FACTS, and people get advice that's COMPLETE. Your location where the hunters won't cast hexes may end up to be perfectly OK, or it may not. The fact that it's not certain is all that I was pointing out.
So, yes. I post warnings. I sometimes post in a matter-of-fact way that may come off as rude. You can hate me for locking threads, or posting quotes to blues, or for coming off as arrogant when I don't mean to -- but when push comes to shove, I want to stand up at the end of the day and say "Nobody who listened to my advice will ever get banned for it".
There is a major difference between line-of-sight, which is an intended mechanic, and line-of-sight-such-that-mobs-will-no-longer-be-able-to-use-all-of-their-abilities-on-you.Quote:
So is LOS pulling considered an exploit also? Pretty sure casters NPC's are supposed to cast not run after you. Vyndree pretty sure you did this a couple times in your videos. Maybe you need to go through and re-edit your video to get rid of these "exploits"
Your analogy completely disregards common sense.
If I line of sight, once mobs regain sight of me they can cast 100% of their normal abilities on me. Always. This is the way the game is intended to be played (hence why people hate the Nagrand arena and "pillar humping"). It's a tactic, not an exploit. Denying mobs from being able to use their abilities on you through the use of creative positioning?? That's borderline abuse.
Example:
- Sethekk halls, last boss. He casts and AoE. You hide behind a pillar to not get hit by said AoE. <-- intended game mechanic, non-bannable
- Raptor boss, ZF. You stand somewhere I'm not going to mention on these forums such that the raptor pet cannot attack you. He is PREVENTED from doing his normal abilities thanks to where YOU chose to stand -- and you CHOSE to stand there BECAUSE he would be unable to use those abilities. <-- unintended bug, exploitation, bannable
I was in a raid that wanted to do this pre-BC. I left the raid once I realized their strat was exploitative and could potentially get me banned. Did they get banned for doing it? To my knowledge, no -- I didn't report them (though I should have). Does that mean I wouldn't have gotten banned for doing that along with them? No -- one report and I would be out of an account.
If you want me to back off on what I feel is a justifiable FYI to the community about gray-area pulls that might be considered exploitative, then just post on the official Blizzard forums (typically Customer Service forums) and ask "Is this considered an exploit? Would this be bannable?". You get an answer like that, and there's no need for me to inform the community.
I post what I post because I want people to make decisions with all the puzzle pieces in place. I didn't mock you, berate you, or personally attack you in any way -- I simply stated, matter-of-fact, that pulls involving evading and/or abnormal mob behavior CAN also be exploits. Buyer beware.
This whole thread reminds me of when I was in high school and the teachers had kids monitoring the halls for other kids skipping classes. Those kids weren't liked much. :P
Good thing I was homeschooled. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ticks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=106884#post10 6884
I'm not interested in a popularity contest. If I have to be the hall monitor in order to keep the community safe from itself, so be it. ;) I get to be the snarky meanie moderator who sleeps well at night knowing all of your accounts are safe.