Zarhym wow Community Manager hates us on a personal level!

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Originally Posted by Lyonheart

The reason it is an issue for us is we already experience a lot of hate. His "thoughts" on the matter will be interpreted by those said haters..and maybe a lot of people who are on the fence about it, to hate more. They will think hes "on their side" even if thats not his intentions. This falls under that popular bit of wisdom " with great power comes great responsibility! " He has the attention of the WoW community and has fanned the flames of hatred, maybe without knowing it.

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Being called names in a video game is not "hate" - it's a trivial annoyance that you can deal with by reporting (if it's worthy) and ignoring. Caring what the WoW "community" thinks is, to me, a ridiculous notion. I've had people see that I'm streaming and intentionally seek me out in-game to try and grief me, and all that has happened is I either go run dungeons instead (and ignore their whispers when they switch to the same faction) or find new and fun ways to get them killed if I'm in the mood for that. They're just a non-issue.

However, getting worked up about it and worried about "oh noes, what will happen if they come at us with pitchforks and torches" and that kind of crap is *exactly* what the people who dislike boxers want to happen. They want people to get worried or to get upset, or whatever. Why give them that when they are literally irrelevant?

Boxing will not be banned until and unless Blizzard has real reason to believe that changing their policy will get them more money. Period. Whiners on a forum or a CM saying he doesn't like it will not change that, and so people getting upset here about it serves no purpose but to give the drooling morons with nothing better to do a chance to clutch themselves in glee that they got a rise out of you.

I suppose this isn't really all that out of the norm (lol Tseric) but to reiterate the fine point here, posting an opinion via official corporate communications channels that contradicts corporate policy when you are one of the communicators of corporate policy is never a good idea; that's why personal blogs exist. In this particular case, he(she?) went to significant lengths to make that distinction but many of us are suggesting this was NOT the best place for that regardless of all the qualifiers.

Kate, you could have left it at "personal opinion," which is true (and he even said his personal beliefs differ from corporate policy). Generically patronizing us with that "getting worked up about it/oh noes/pitchforks" UMADBRO type hyperbole undermines your entire point as you are committing just as great an offense as you are decrying. There are times when illustrating absurdity by being absurd works but I would suggest this isn't one of those times.

I think this thread only serves to reinforce the original point. ;)

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

(lol Tseric)

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Tseric was my hero. I sure do miss that guy.

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Originally Posted by MiRai

Tseric was my hero. I sure do miss that guy.

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Likewise, I especially loved his exit, that was style

Nothing new to see here.

Someone whines about multiboxing.
Someone in blue responds with opinion.
Rules still same. Still other blues with other opinions, still other people at Blizzard multiboxing...

I don't see Zarhym's post the same way as Ebony saw it. He said he is sympathetic when someone complains about multiboxing, especially in PVP. Then he goes on to say that despite that sympathy, he understands why multiboxing is not considered cheating, while botting is. I don't see anything wrong with this...


If the time comes that Blizzard seriously considers a rule change on this, they will probably get me on the horn. This doesn't affect just WoW either, remember that multiboxing is tolerated in Diablo 3 as well. And I spoke to them before anything Diablo 3 related showed up here.

So.. if they were going to be changing anything... they would probably want to provide advance notice to many people who might otherwise be banned as collateral damage. (There's a lot more people with more than one WoW account than there are dual-boxing.com members, after all...) They have absolutely no interest in immediately doing a 180 and banning all multiboxers; it would not improve their game, their public image, their money, nothing. Multiboxers wouldn't just go away, so they would have to have continuous enforcement, meaning they have to pay someone or multiple someones, just to figure out which people with multiple accounts they need to ban.

That's both a very time-consuming and losing battle, and as I've said before, they have more important battles to fight such as those dealing with theft and fraud, and on actual bots instead of on people who are doing their best to stay within the rules with their multiple accounts.


Also, at the same time as we see commentary like this one, there's other stories...

Mohal on isboxer.com is pretty paranoid that multiboxers are getting the shaft and put in a petition about what he sees as a situation where he's paying out money to Blizzard, while Blizzard is purposefully and methodically harming his game experience (as a multiboxer).: http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11793#p11793

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Thank you for contacting us and I am sorry that it has taken a little while to respond to you.
I do not believe we have any problems with players that multibox at all we also go as far as to educate players who contact us to complain about them. If any functions have changed with any function that hinders the gameplay for our multibox community then I can only apologise and know that the changes made will have been for a reason to stop exploitative bots that maybe able to get round our system.
I know this is not an ideal situation and hope that we can make some more changes soon to enable you to continue to enjoy multiboxing to its full potential but at this time there is very little I can do.
Again I reiterate that we welcome multiboxers and educate the player base to accept them also , and we will do everything we can to make your experience a great one.

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Originally Posted by Lax

Nothing new to see here.


If the time comes that Blizzard seriously considers a rule change on this, they will probably get me on the horn. This doesn't affect just WoW either, remember that multiboxing is tolerated in Diablo 3 as well. And I spoke to them before anything Diablo 3 related showed up here.

So.. if they were going to be changing anything... they would probably want to provide advance notice to many people who might otherwise be banned as collateral damage. (There's a lot more people with more than one WoW account than there are dual-boxing.com members, after all...) They have absolutely no interest in immediately doing a 180 and banning all multiboxers; it would not improve their game, their public image, their money, nothing. Multiboxers wouldn't just go away, so they would have to have continuous enforcement, meaning they have to pay someone or multiple someones, just to figure out which people with multiple accounts they need to ban.

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I don't see them ever banning multiboxing. And I do think there is a distinction between:
- pve multiboxing
- pvp multiboxing
- people with a 2nd account open for e.g. AH related stuff

The only way multiboxing affects other peoples gameplay is in pvp. If they ever were to change their stance towards multiboxers in pvp I can see them rather do things like disable /follow in random battlegrounds than banning it altogether.

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

I suppose this isn't really all that out of the norm (lol Tseric) but to reiterate the fine point here, posting an opinion via official corporate communications channels that contradicts corporate policy when you are one of the communicators of corporate policy is never a good idea; that's why personal blogs exist. In this particular case, he(she?) went to significant lengths to make that distinction but many of us are suggesting this was NOT the best place for that regardless of all the qualifiers.

Kate, you could have left it at "personal opinion," which is true (and he even said his personal beliefs differ from corporate policy). Generically patronizing us with that "getting worked up about it/oh noes/pitchforks" UMADBRO type hyperbole undermines your entire point as you are committing just as great an offense as you are decrying. There are times when illustrating absurdity by being absurd works but I would suggest this isn't one of those times.

I think this thread only serves to reinforce the original point. ;)

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I think I am just going to stick to the mechanics of boxing rather than any of the surrounding "politics" - no good will come of my participation in any of these types of discussions.

I avoid a lot of problems by waiting for people to attack me first and not attacking them if they dont. In the open world, Im on a pvp server.

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Originally Posted by kate

I think I am just going to stick to the mechanics of boxing rather than any of the surrounding "politics" - no good will come of my participation in any of these types of discussions.

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If only Zarhym would have adopted that stance in the first place... ;)

Well that was an interesting read.
Didnt see it anywhere on MMO though.

maybe blizz will create some new realms, for boxers only :P /sarcasm