Boxing Rating BGs... gonna do it?

@Ualaa

I think we will have to wait some more time till we will be able to post some strategies here. At the moment most of us only tested the strats versus random grps or chat premades. So i wouldn't call those strats final.

So my opinion is wait for cata, see what the new talents bring and then let's see how we can build a tactic with that. I only played several EotS with Kruschpak and Sephice with his DK and two external Healers. This was quite easy.

As i already posted somewhere else:

Krusch went for the magetower with one healer. Sephice with another healer pushed for drenai. I was tapping the bases on our side and then killed the alliance that went for the flag. After that we most of the time only farmed the alliance at the starting point. But as i said before, this was against randoms and chat premades. So no idea if this will work against real premades. I think it may lead to tap your bases and only go for one enemy base, defending the bases on your side and then getting one of the single players to get the flag. So let's wait for cata and see.

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

It looks like Rated BG's will be premades to queue.

So, you could theoretically get 10 clueless people to queue with a 5-boxer.
But you could also get a team that plays to the strengths of boxers.
I'd like to queue as a 5-boxer, with one or two other 5-boxers... which will likely mean needing a server transfer; I've run into two or three other boxers during leveling/boosting, but haven't seen other boxers in a year or so on Cenarius-Alliance.

Also not sure if we can go rated-AV queue consistently.
Or if rated-Random will be a quick queue and anything else a lengthy queue.
If we can consistently only run large scale BG's (rated), that will make us more effective.

Another thing to consider.
Our top 'x' games in the week will count towards points.
So with a good team, you might cap on points in 12 matches.
And with a crap team of pugs, it might take 63 matches.
But either way, you cap on points and advance equally as far.
Also, because they're rated, if you consistently queue with crap teams, you'll face worse and worse opposition which should be easier to beat.

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TLDR; Transfer to US-Andorhal <Horde> IMO and come smash shit with me and reprisal.

@Toned:

I am playing on an EU Realm ... so i cannot transfer to an US Realm.

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

I'd be interested in hearing strategies that work for one (five-boxer) or two (five-boxers) boxers, for given maps.

In theory, because of the coordination, we have more firepower/burst, possibly more survivability then individual players, but less flexibility in terms of variable numbers of toons at each are of a given map.

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Thats true and the point where you need good guild mates.
Like our tactic in EotS you need 2 Players who call inc and are defending, we just completly ignore the flag because the middle is too dangerous for boxers
The important thing is ( if you want play it on a high ranking ) that the boxers work together and there is no egotrip ;)

3 callers and 1 leader

EotS and AB are so well made for boxers just do to the nature of it. If theres only one 4-5 Boxer on the team, I usually try to get everyone else to spread out behind me and hold onto the bases I clear out. Then I just run from Base to base in a counter-clockwise (or clockwise) direction clearing out alliance and having 1-3 people stay behind to hold onto the base. All holding a base requires is people there long enough to give you or more people enough time to show up and fight off the attackers.

The thing is, would you wanna play with a boxer who is doing all the fun stuff (killing, capping,) while you get ordered to sit at a base and defend it? That wouldn't be my kind of game tbh as a solo player.

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Originally Posted by zenga

The thing is, would you wanna play with a boxer who is doing all the fun stuff (killing, capping,) while you get ordered to sit at a base and defend it? That wouldn't be my kind of game tbh as a solo player.

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If that team was rated high enough, sure. :)

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Originally Posted by Barazanthul

I think it may lead to tap your bases and only go for one enemy base, defending the bases on your side and then getting one of the single players to get the flag. So let's wait for cata and see.

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I'm pretty sure you'll not be able to just rush to a base and cap it, as easy as it is in pugs. I've done some premades with good people (2,4k+). Several times in the past season we met a decent premade against us and they just owned us quite badly. We weren't on Vent or anything and mainly just getting honor, so it wasn't that serious. But Pugs and an organised good premade are night and day.

In arena's healers heal for 10% less then they do in BG's if i'm correct. That's quite noticable, which makes it close to impossible to oneshot somewhen with 3 healers around.

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Originally Posted by Barazanthul

@Toned:

I am playing on an EU Realm ... so i cannot transfer to an US Realm.

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Grim batol FTW ;)

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Originally Posted by zenga

The thing is, would you wanna play with a boxer who is doing all the fun stuff (killing, capping,) while you get ordered to sit at a base and defend it? That wouldn't be my kind of game tbh as a solo player.

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If the oposing team has a clue, every base should get attacked and everyone should get some combat going on. If that's not the case, then there's no point in defending bases and just farm them at ST/Farm.

People hardly accept that not every base needs defense. If you got the alliance/horde back to ST or Farm and you see a few heading for a base, then it should be no problem to follow them and stop them from assaulting/defending the base. The thing is, people need to respond immediatly for this to work, which often doesn't happen.

I wish all boxer well in rated bgs, I am sure some will do well. Relatively speaking.

One huge benefit to boxers I believe is coming ....not being able to use certain pve items in arena/rated bgs. No more pve heros in pvp.


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Originally Posted by zenga

The thing is, would you wanna play with a boxer who is doing all the fun stuff (killing, capping,) while you get ordered to sit at a base and defend it? That wouldn't be my kind of game tbh as a solo player.

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Well, since this is how I win my Pug BGs, I see no reason why I couldn't explain this role to a premade. Teams are always composed of different people, arguing that if you're not killing you're no having fun is the same as saying there are no healers...