Sweet, DK tanking nerf.

Calm down holmes.


No one is telling you to quit. I'm saying the DK nerfs are justified. I don't think I'm elitest or class envious. I have a 73 DK I've done some tanking on, I didn't like it. How am I being elitest? Someone who doesn't agree with you == elitest? Would you rather people just reply "QQMOARDKNUB" or something along those lines? Feral Druids were relegated to OTs in BC because we had no way to effectively AoE tank. Some druids managed ok without it, most didn't. I fully support balancing tank classes to where any tank class can MT. Hell, thats the reason I'm a MT now. I have no gripes with DKs MTing, by all means. I wouldn't want to be relagated to just an OT position either.

I agree with Fur, look at the other tank classes history, you have no room to gripe at all. It could have been much harder. Nerfs suck, but shit happens. You should enjoy what Blizzard has learned and didn't screw up with DeathKnights that they DID screw up with previous trials with tanking classes.


A class that can tank really well in any spec, DPS really well in any spec, AND PvP really well in any spec isn't OP? /facepalm



Edit: I went looking for one of the original announcements that talked about DKs as an OTing class. I can't find it because cardplace gives file not found errors in their archive before August. Regardless what made that stick out in my mind was they were saying that so all the other tanking classes wouldn't be up in arms about ANOTHER tanking class. But hey, 4 tanking classes that do really well = win for raiding guilds. But obviously WoW isn't balanced around raids.

But, was it sarcasm? :)

Any more WoW seems balanced around arena, and raids seem tuned to classes that learned to play in arena. Otherwise known as pick the right class and stand behind the right pillar = loot.

I played a prot warrior for a long long time so I find a feral upset that another class that can do many things with the same spec hilarious. That said, I think the whole omg look what other classes can do with one spec argument is moot now, dual specs are coming. Only part of the argument that is going to remain is how much pvp viability remains if you choose two pve specs and blizzard is trying pretty hard to make every spec have some pvp viability.

I think the OT comment considering DKs was something along the lines of, "DKs should be able to OT raid content regardless of spec with appropriate gear." They made the class a little too powerful in that I can MT anything as a DPS spec. (except maybe Sarth3D w/o AMZ)

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Originally Posted by 'Tombs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=184510#post18 4510

I played a prot warrior for a long long time so I find a feral upset that another class that can do many things with the same spec hilarious.

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I'm not upset at all. I'm just defending the need for class changes. No other class can do this, why should DKs be the only one?

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That said, I think the whole omg look what other classes can do with one spec argument is moot now, dual specs are coming.

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I think you may have missed the part where I said Dks can PvP, Tank, DPS well with ANY of their 3 specs. I don't tank so good in Balance, or Resto, and I don't heal so good in Feral.

Seems to me the ones most likely to be upset are the DKs who only tanked. I mean, that's where I'm sitting, and I think this nerf sucks. Were it a DPS nerf or a PvP nerf, I'd likely shrug my shoulders and say "meh", but then you just have an entire other subsection of the population crying that THEY got nerfed.

You can

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as feral. Keep this argument grounded in PvE and you have a class that can Tank and DPS arguing about a class that can Tank and DPS. PvP is highly anecdotal, comes in many flavors, and depends a lot on group composition. I don't PvP so I am going to leave it at that.

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Seems to me the ones most likely to be upset are the DKs who only tanked. I mean, that's where I'm sitting, and I think this nerf sucks. Were it a DPS nerf or a PvP nerf, I'd likely shrug my shoulders and say "meh", but then you just have an entire other subsection of the population crying that THEY got nerfed.

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Mostly yeah, I do tanking and dps but nerfs don't bother me, played a warrior for nearly four years so I've weathered a lot of nerfs. Blizzard doesn't want to nerf anything into oblivion they just want an even playing field. What ever it is they'll get it right with some time.

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You can

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as feral. Keep this argument grounded in PvE and you have a class that can Tank and DPS arguing about a class that can Tank and DPS. PvP is highly anecdotal, comes in many flavors, and depends a lot on group composition. I don't PvP so I am going to leave it at that.

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Yes I realize I can tank AND dps in feral spec. But what you're not realizing is I can't tank in balance, and I can't tank in resto, and I can't heal in Feral.

DKs can tank in Blood, Frost, Unholy.
DKs can DPS in Blood, Frost, Unholy.


See the difference now?

Your class is different than my class. It fills three roles, but only can only fill two with any one spec (balance can pewpew or heal in a pinch / resto can heal and pewpew in a pinch). You're comparing apples to oranges. I am trying to compare oranges to oranges. DK in any spec most clearly resembles a feral druid. They both fulfill the same roles. They both have the option to tweak talents a little one way or the other. With dual specs you'll be able to do it all with feral and resto.