DK teams!

Hit cap for special abilities against a skull mob is 9%. Depending on what spec the DKs are this might be enough. I forget what the number is for normal melee swings and other abilities, but you should be good with 12%.

As for the 1400 dps, I'm curious what you attack power and rotations are like. If you are going a blood self heal route then the number is reasonable, but it feels low for a standard dps build. I would expect something around 1600-1800, but I could be off since its been a while since I've been dps specced on my 80 DK.

- Souca -

I've managed to talk my brother into respeccing resto on his shaman. We will be instancing together, he on his shammy, me on 4 dk's.
Now do I respec unholy or stay blood? I really enjoy the blood tree, and love the extra heling you get from it. I've heard unholy is a superior tanking spec though? Frost doesn't interest me in the slightest by the way, so that's out the picture entirely.
Any suggestions would be appreciated :)

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Hit cap for special abilities against a skull mob is 9%. Depending on what spec the DKs are this might be enough. I forget what the number is for normal melee swings and other abilities, but you should be good with 12%.

As for the 1400 dps, I'm curious what you attack power and rotations are like. If you are going a blood self heal route then the number is reasonable, but it feels low for a standard dps build. I would expect something around 1600-1800, but I could be off since its been a while since I've been dps specced on my 80 DK.

- Souca -

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Icy Touch, PS, Blood Strike, Blood Strike, Obliterate, DC

edit: this is of course all specced into Bloodworms, Blood Aura and then into Unholy for perma ghoul.

Man I upgraded to T7 chest on all my guys and was severely disappointed in the "upgrade' compared to what they were wearing before.

They were all wearing Eck BP with sta and hit gems. Armory seems to be down, but my guild is Vindication on Dentarg (US). Anyways going to T7 Lost Vanquisher with +hit and +str gems... I really didnt seem to gain much. I dont count +haste as a gain as its a terrible stat for DKs. I lost a ton of hit, in fact all of my upgrades are taking away hit. I might have to gem solely for it now and ignore gem bonuses. Sucks.

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[quote='Zerocool2024',index.php?page=Thread&postID= 182894#post182894]Well... You can Dungeon Grind, I did. I hated doing quests. I had no problem Dungeon grinding.[/quote]Gear is the main thing. I have pretty good gear for surviving world PvP and quests, 14k health in frost at 74. I don't have any defense gear though, so I eat crits in instances. I'm going to have to level a blacksmith and miner no matter what, the question is whether I'm better off doing it now, or at 80? Level 77 will be the make or break point. I don't want to do Storm Peaks or Ice Crown without epic flying. I did it on my first DK and hated it. My druid was my second 80 and had epic flight form and I didn't have any issues with those zones. If I grind out the last few levels to 80 in isntances, then I end up with some gear and a bunch of quests to do for epic flight money. Just not sure I can do that without getting bored.

- Souca -[/quote]Eating crits is what I was best at doing Dungeons. I know you seen one of my vids, I never had decent gear for the dungeon, but I was still able to pull it off.
As to gear, Cobalt, running like 20/30 G a piece. I has no idea what it might be on your server, but you don't need to level anything as long as you has the money, and if you Dungeon grind, trust me, you are going to have the money. All the AH stuff you can sell, and Vendor trash, hell, my first tab in my guild vault is almost full with AH blues that I need to sell, mostly from doing LOH/HOS.

Also, all 5 of my toons have their flying mount, but only two have Wrath flying learned. Just enough to summon them to the next area (HOS/HOL) and get the flight path and that's all I needed. Also, SAVE THE MONEY once you get your gear for the mid 70's because I'm learning the hard way that for Heroics, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED 540 Defense or higher. Also, as much HP as possible. I did some runs, or a lot, and did some tests and in the end, my lack of defense hurt me, but the one thing that hurt me more was my HP. It's way to low. I mean, just from one Epix piece [url='http://www.wowwiki.com/Tempered_Titansteel_Helm']Tempered Titansteel Helm[/url] has blue/meta gem slot with 165STA and my current one Tempered Saronite Helm has only 54 Sta, but has more Defense that I of course can make up in the end with a different trinket. But just from that one item, it would take me from 21000Hp to 32000+HP without geming it. Do I need say more?

Then also add in the Epix boots and thats an extra 500 HP, so I 'm looking more towards the 4K area with HP, which would alow for me to do Heroics, no problems what so ever. Get a few Heroics under your belt, or just run Nexus and kill that first guy and get a Heroic shard thing and get enough to buy some other Defense gear and you are set.

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[quote='Zerocool2024',index.php?page=Thread&postID= 182894#post182894]Well... You can Dungeon Grind, I did. I hated doing quests. I had no problem Dungeon grinding.[/quote]Gear is the main thing. I have pretty good gear for surviving world PvP and quests, 14k health in frost at 74. I don't have any defense gear though, so I eat crits in instances. I'm going to have to level a blacksmith and miner no matter what, the question is whether I'm better off doing it now, or at 80? Level 77 will be the make or break point. I don't want to do Storm Peaks or Ice Crown without epic flying. I did it on my first DK and hated it. My druid was my second 80 and had epic flight form and I didn't have any issues with those zones. If I grind out the last few levels to 80 in isntances, then I end up with some gear and a bunch of quests to do for epic flight money. Just not sure I can do that without getting bored.

- Souca -[/quote]Eating crits is what I was best at doing Dungeons. I know you seen one of my vids, I never had decent gear for the dungeon, but I was still able to pull it off.
As to gear, Cobalt, running like 20/30 G a piece. I has no idea what it might be on your server, but you don't need to level anything as long as you has the money, and if you Dungeon grind, trust me, you are going to have the money. All the AH stuff you can sell, and Vendor trash, hell, my first tab in my guild vault is almost full with AH blues that I need to sell, mostly from doing LOH/HOS.

Also, all 5 of my toons have their flying mount, but only two have Wrath flying learned. Just enough to summon them to the next area (HOS/HOL) and get the flight path and that's all I needed. Also, SAVE THE MONEY once you get your gear for the mid 70's because I'm learning the hard way that for Heroics, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED 540 Defense or higher. Also, as much HP as possible. I did some runs, or a lot, and did some tests and in the end, my lack of defense hurt me, but the one thing that hurt me more was my HP. It's way to low. I mean, just from one Epix piece [url='http://www.wowwiki.com/Tempered_Titansteel_Helm

Tempered Titansteel Helm[/url] has blue/meta gem slot with 165STA and my current one Tempered Saronite Helm has only 54 Sta, but has more Defense that I of course can make up in the end with a different trinket. But just from that one item, it would take me from 21000Hp to 32000+HP without geming it. Do I need say more?

Then also add in the Epix boots and thats an extra 500 HP, so I 'm looking more towards the 4K area with HP, which would alow for me to do Heroics, no problems what so ever. Get a few Heroics under your belt, or just run Nexus and kill that first guy and get a Heroic shard thing and get enough to buy some other Defense gear and you are set.

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I hear you on the 540, and trust me, I know how to get there. I had my 80 DK at 540 defense before they put out 3.0.8 and handed everyone a free 25 defense or 125ish defense rating. I did the whole thing where I had to use daunting gloves and legs, tempered saronite and so on. Farmed the defense trinket from HoL.

Works been kicking my ass this week, so I haven't gotten to do much of anything. I'm trying to do some math to see how much money I'd get from questing if I skipped a zone like Grizzly Hills or Zul'Drak and grinded out in instances. I figure I can do both those zones without a flier, I've done it before, and it could give me a huge income boost if I need it after the grinding. Would rather know I can make X questing and then grind than grind and find out I still need some more money to get the epic fliers.

Once I figure something out, I'll keep everyone informed.

- Souca -

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[quote='Zerocool2024',index.php?page=Thread&postID= 182894#post182894]Well... You can Dungeon Grind, I did. I hated doing quests. I had no problem Dungeon grinding.[/quote]Gear is the main thing. I have pretty good gear for surviving world PvP and quests, 14k health in frost at 74. I don't have any defense gear though, so I eat crits in instances. I'm going to have to level a blacksmith and miner no matter what, the question is whether I'm better off doing it now, or at 80? Level 77 will be the make or break point. I don't want to do Storm Peaks or Ice Crown without epic flying. I did it on my first DK and hated it. My druid was my second 80 and had epic flight form and I didn't have any issues with those zones. If I grind out the last few levels to 80 in isntances, then I end up with some gear and a bunch of quests to do for epic flight money. Just not sure I can do that without getting bored.

- Souca -[/quote]Eating crits is what I was best at doing Dungeons. I know you seen one of my vids, I never had decent gear for the dungeon, but I was still able to pull it off.
As to gear, Cobalt, running like 20/30 G a piece. I has no idea what it might be on your server, but you don't need to level anything as long as you has the money, and if you Dungeon grind, trust me, you are going to have the money. All the AH stuff you can sell, and Vendor trash, hell, my first tab in my guild vault is almost full with AH blues that I need to sell, mostly from doing LOH/HOS.

Also, all 5 of my toons have their flying mount, but only two have Wrath flying learned. Just enough to summon them to the next area (HOS/HOL) and get the flight path and that's all I needed. Also, SAVE THE MONEY once you get your gear for the mid 70's because I'm learning the hard way that for Heroics, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED 540 Defense or higher. Also, as much HP as possible. I did some runs, or a lot, and did some tests and in the end, my lack of defense hurt me, but the one thing that hurt me more was my HP. It's way to low. I mean, just from one Epix piece [url='http://www.wowwiki.com/Tempered_Titansteel_Helm

Tempered Titansteel Helm[/url] has blue/meta gem slot with 165STA and my current one Tempered Saronite Helm has only 54 Sta, but has more Defense that I of course can make up in the end with a different trinket. But just from that one item, it would take me from 21000Hp to 32000+HP without geming it. Do I need say more?

Then also add in the Epix boots and thats an extra 500 HP, so I 'm looking more towards the 4K area with HP, which would alow for me to do Heroics, no problems what so ever. Get a few Heroics under your belt, or just run Nexus and kill that first guy and get a Heroic shard thing and get enough to buy some other Defense gear and you are set.

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I hear you on the 540, and trust me, I know how to get there. I had my 80 DK at 540 defense before they put out 3.0.8 and handed everyone a free 25 defense or 125ish defense rating. I did the whole thing where I had to use daunting gloves and legs, tempered saronite and so on. Farmed the defense trinket from HoL.

Works been kicking my ass this week, so I haven't gotten to do much of anything. I'm trying to do some math to see how much money I'd get from questing if I skipped a zone like Grizzly Hills or Zul'Drak and grinded out in instances. I figure I can do both those zones without a flier, I've done it before, and it could give me a huge income boost if I need it after the grinding. Would rather know I can make X questing and then grind than grind and find out I still need some more money to get the epic fliers.

Once I figure something out, I'll keep everyone informed.

- Souca -[/quote]Well, since I control the speed of my Dungeon runs, and I can do them pretty fast, I get money pretty fast. Right now HOL is on a 90% no death run, and if there is a death, it's just some crazy ass random fluke that the boss does some nasty dps and kills a toon or two, but even then, I usually still take the boss down. I did questing with the shamans, but with the DK's, I did straight Dungeon and a few quests for certain items, or to get a quest to do a Dungeon to get an item.

Not sure on my Money per hour per say, though I could run some numbers on a run and see what I get.

Lol woops, sorry, my math was Phuked up when I was doing it, I was not pay attention to my fingers when typing. So Yeah, not 32000Hp, lol. I meant 23000+ lol.

Yea, I was gonna say, thats impressive. My well geared 80 DK that solos old raids is at 29k unbuffed and I was impressed by that.

- Souca -

Soooo, just thought I would give a little "glowing hope for the 5boxer DKs". I did this a few minutes ago.

3 of the toons have 540 Defense, and the other two are in the 520's.
First boss, zero deaths, was easier that I thought. (not boasting) but I thought he would have pwned my face in harder than I thought. Probably just got lucky with the CD's and my timing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...509_231328.jpg

And...second boss I had one death (Guess which one?) the one who didn't have 540 defense and managed to pull aggro and got his face rearranged with 2 crits that made me sad in the pants...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...509_233749.jpg

More to come :) I probably should have started off with an easier Dungeon for clearing "attempt". But, eh, I'm happy with my progress.

I Promised there would be more, lol.

3rd boss, the hardest boss in the freaking world, at least for me right now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...609_010118.jpg

And now, the last boss, simple sauce, and I got the Timely Death Achievement with it, lol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...609_010908.jpg