No more gear from BGS :(

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125364#post1 25364

Arena would be a lot better IMO if it did a gear point check on everyone on the team as you queued, and only played you against someone with "relatively" similar points worth of gear.

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/AGREEDDDDD@!@#!!@#!!@!! I am boxing my shamans in 5v5 with a 1700 rating (only 3 pieces of s2/s3 gear collected so far... 3 weeks old) and I keep getting matched against re-rolled teams with full s3/s4 gear and a 1600-1700 rating? Absolutely ridiculous. You should be matched against equal gear, and to the victor go the spoils. Thats how they run annual tournaments (identical gear - just battle it out based on skill), and yet they neglect the idea here. Queueing is broken, and it seems like re-rolling high level teams is the flavor of the month.

Just have some patience, unless WoW stops having future expansions, the trend described below will continue.

Yes, Blizzard's revenue model is monthly subscriptions, but what they're really selling is player progression.

There's an obvious hardcore/casual dichotomy in Blizzard's customers, and the strategy for satisfying both is to introduce newer "tougher" content to usurp the old high-end stuff that's adjusted to become accessible to more players. These "adjustments" can include nerfing the encounters themselves, or providing easier access to better gear, changing PC spells to be more powerful, etc. Think of it as Blizzard's longterm subsidization of player progression between expansions.

It's ironic that Blizzard should call the expansion gear resets "leveling the playing field" when this is in fact the time when hardcore players truly pull away and distinguish themselves from the casuals (looking at it as a % gain in point allocation per gear tier). Once Wrath's first major content patch hits, purples will become easier and easier to get.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, it's alright.
Just rest assured that Blizzard will eventually grant you purple epixx and ever increasing powers, even if they have to buff it into you.

So if you truly want to challenge yourself, you really only have about a six-month window in which to smash your head against new content in its most difficult form, before it gets nerfed and you get buffed.

Most of the time, I can't be bothered to reply when people over and over whine about being oblitterated by "S3/S4" rerollers...

GET OVER YOURSELVES! S3/S4 is NOTHING SPECIAL! in S3, only the shoulders have a rating requirement, and thus to be 4/5 S3 + ALL the S3 offhand items means one of 2 things: you either afk'ed or participated in a months worth of battlegrounds, and 3-4 months of arena, 10 games pr day. Here is a newsflash for you: S3 shoulders DOESNT MAKE OR BREAK A TEAM!!!!! 150 hitpoints, on a 13k hp warrior, is NOT what makes you loose. There are teams, who does excellent things in S1/S2 + blue gear, against far better geared teams, and there are teams in the same equipment who recreate their team every other week to get out of 1200 rating bracket...

Simply put, why on earth do you feel that you "have a right" to break even 1600 rating ? You don't, you're in the same boat as everyone else. People playing at 2200 rating, are not superhumans, they have just practiced and played and gathered gear for the past year. And you are partly right, you should not be able to ding 70, grind reputation for 1 week, honor for 1 week and then expect to be part of a race that has been running for a year.... 2 weeks of preparation != 1 year!

1500 rating IS NOT THE MIDDLE NUMBER! It's not a rating that you nescessarily should never drop below. Everyone keeps calling them welfare epics and complain that everyone can get them, and when they now require a rating and are thus no longer available to everyone, everyone complains that they are too hard to obtain - go figure.

Feel free to disregard this as a flame, because that is essentially what it is. I'm just sick of listening to "glass-half-empty" people. We're all the same people, playing this game.

What gives people an edge ?

Class balance ? Yes, indeed - rock paper scissors, there are setups which are harder to beat, compared to your own setup.

Time invested ? Yes, indeed - a year of "work" pays off more than 2 weeks of work ... mostly.

In fact, see it from a Full S4, 2500 rated characters perspective... it would kindda defeat his purpose to exist, if a blue reputation geared scrub, could suddenly beat him/her... or would it not ?



It's sort of like PvE - a bear run in ZA is pisseasy. It only requires a decent gearlevel, and full focus for 40ish minutes. IF the bear was then farmed 4 months later, by fresh lvl 70'ies in blues and 1-2 epics ... How would you feel, after you've raidet Karazhan, TK, The Eye for months on end, and started on Black Temple even... effort should be rewarded. The "gap" will always be there, if it wasn't, what would be the point ?

Essentially, people complain about the possibility to progress your character... which is sorta the entire point of the game. Is it not ?



/Mwu - with inflammable wellfare asbestos-robes, lined with prime PvE gear...

Edit: Nice - sql error, resulting in double post :(

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Originally Posted by 'Mwuanno',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125649#post 125649

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Someone is a programmer :)

What will probably happen is S4 will be arena with no ranking. When S5 comes out, S4 will be reduced cost and S5 might have some ranking. S6 hits, S4 will go to BG honor, S5 will be reduced cost and ranking, and S6 will have arena ranking. S8 comes out, S4 will go bye bye, S5 will go honor and lost ranking, S6 will be reduced cost and ranking, and S8 will need arena ranking.

This is what they did with arena stuff this expansion, the only thing is i think that they will put S5 (aka S2) with ranking requirements instead of none like S2.

Does anyone know what these "special" items you can get with honor are?

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The hate vs rerollers isn't the gear advantage.
Gear is only a way to identify 'm.
The hate is for rerolling into a new team to fight easier, less experienced teams.
That doesn't sound like progress at all.

I don't get the whole "don't give the gear I worked hard for last year to people who did less for 'm" attitude either.
Most big patches which make gear easier to obtain also contain new sets of gear which are the new "braggin' and boastin'" sets.
Stop caring about the fact your current gear will be obtained by many others and start farming the new set which can't be obtained by 'm that easily.
Offcourse you need to keep "working" to stay ahead of other people.
After all a game without a goal gets boring after a while, even if it's fun.

The whole no gear from bg's is something we'll get by,
but (even if they implement it) I have my doubts blizzard would be so stupid to keep it like that forever.

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Originally Posted by 'Anjuna',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125339#post1 25339

Welfare pvp gear has been my only means of survival out in the world.

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I disagree with this post 100%.

My entire team is decked out in Heroic / Badge gear. I have never bought any PvP gear (got some points, never used them). And I hold my own when it counts. I leveled on a PvP server, and geared my team up. Welfare epics are exactly that - epics for people too damn lame to get gear on their own.

Yes, I'm much more PvE focused, but I can cruise into a BG and make a difference.

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I disagree with this post 100%.

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The feeling is mutual.

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My entire team is decked out in Heroic / Badge gear. I have never bought any PvP gear (got some points, never used them). And I hold my own when it counts. I leveled on a PvP server, and geared my team up. Welfare epics are exactly that - epics for people too damn lame to get gear on their own.

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That's you and your server. You're also a 5 boxer, I am not. I was/am not decked out in heroic / badge gear. I started my team in May, 2.4 was released in March. This gave people plenty of time to get geared up in heroic gear and start becomming selective on what gear level the players they group with should have while I was still leveling. I also didn't have a guild of friends that were going to help me get geared up. I leveled in the Zerg, a guild of mostly 5 boxers. No one really had room for a 2 boxer.

Try doing sunwell dailys in your fresh set of 70 quest greens when most of the server was running around in full s3 / t6. So you think that my spending 4 weeks grinding almost 200k honor for some decent gear isn't getting gear on my own? Heh, I guess you are as stupid as your 387656575 posts led me to believe you are. It cost me the same amount to gear pvp as it did for some of the 5x teams in the zerg to gear pve / heroics.

So do some research and put some thought into what you are going to say or just stop posting.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125399#po st125399

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Originally Posted by 'Anjuna',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125339#post1 25339

Welfare pvp gear has been my only means of survival out in the world.

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I disagree with this post 100%.

My entire team is decked out in Heroic / Badge gear. I have never bought any PvP gear (got some points, never used them). And I hold my own when it counts. I leveled on a PvP server, and geared my team up. Welfare epics are exactly that - epics for people too damn lame to get gear on their own.

Yes, I'm much more PvE focused, but I can cruise into a BG and make a difference.

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I disagree with this post 100%.

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The feeling is mutual.

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My entire team is decked out in Heroic / Badge gear. I have never bought any PvP gear (got some points, never used them). And I hold my own when it counts. I leveled on a PvP server, and geared my team up. Welfare epics are exactly that - epics for people too damn lame to get gear on their own.

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That's you and your server. You're also a 5 boxer, I am not. I was/am not decked out in heroic / badge gear. I started my team in May, 2.4 was released in March. This gave people plenty of time to get geared up in heroic gear and start becomming selective on what gear level the players they group with should have while I was still leveling. I also didn't have a guild of friends that were going to help me get geared up. I leveled in the Zerg, a guild of mostly 5 boxers. No one really had room for a 2 boxer.

Try doing sunwell dailys in your fresh set of 70 quest greens when most of the server was running around in full s3 / t6. So you think that my spending 4 weeks grinding almost 200k honor for some decent gear isn't getting gear on my own? Heh, I guess you are as stupid as your 387656575 posts led me to believe you are. It cost me the same amount to gear pvp as it did for some of the 5x teams in the zerg to gear pve / heroics.

So do some research and put some thought into what you are going to say or just stop posting.

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Those insults were pretty uncalled for. They were blatant personal attacks, which reminds me of the WoW forums, not the dual boxing forums. Just because his experiences have been "different" then yours doesn't mean they're wrong, it just means they're different. Personally on my server which has quite a bit of world pvp I've done quel'danas dailies on a fresh 70 with very little pvp gear and hardly had to PvP at all.

I'm a little upset at these changes but knowing that I can buy 5 pieces of accessories or 7 or whatever with just honor and no arena/rating makes things a little easier to swallow. And the people that are saying things will change after S6 and S7 comes out are almost assuredly right, most likely the hateful gear will move down to honor only after a season or two and wont have a rating requirement.

/cheer Anjuna

I thought it was uncalled for as well. He pretty much called you lame.

Wait what?

I was saying Anjuna's comments were uncalled for, not Fursphere. Fursphere didn't really make a direct personal attack, Anjuna called him an idiot and "based on his other ###### posts its obvious you're an idiot" etc, whereas actually Fursphere contributes a ton to this site, and I'm pretty sure hes a moderator as well.

Anyway...just wanted to make sure MY post didn't get misunderstood.