Unintended Consequences - Blizzard Broke Arena

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Originally Posted by 'Mercurio',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114255#pos t114255

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113786#pos t113786

At 400 resilience and 800dmg it becomes a game of execution.

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I was surprised at your numbers. Is that what you have? And you are one of the highest teams in your battlegroup? Wow.

My guys are at 436 resil and 896 dmg and I've been in the 1400s for over two months. I have 151 games played and my current rating is 1401. Same pally healer for all those games with similar gear.

I've watched all the Aelly vids a ton of times, have redone my macros a number of times to tweak and optimize, use an 8-button mouse so all the critical actions are instantly available, read this board for tips, etc. etc.

The only time I get that "sweet taste of success" is when we play teams that don't have 2+ gladiators.

Unfortunately, this doesn't happen very often.

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First ill address your questions. My current gear puts me at 989 dmg and 445 resilience. Im not the top team in my bg group, but Im ranked in the top 50 week after week, and the only teams that give me trouble are teams in the top 10. Full S4 teams, and Im not even there yet, but at this point I am willing to say gear is NOT the difference.

Are you running your set up with a focus? Can you're toons damage your focus target without targeting him with normal damage, like a lightning bolt or Earth shock? Can you control your "clones" so that they can turn if the target moves behind you?

Another thing I see as a possible area of improvement is your healer. I really discourage playing with the same healer over and over until you are ready to make a run at a real rating. There are several reasons, but the first is playing with the same class causes you to adapt your playstyle in such a way that you depend on his abilities to survive rather than using them as "Nice to Haves." Every healer has something else to offer, and as you learn to beat teams without needing to be bubbled, or have the opponent dispelled, you will see an improvement. Its small buts its significant. Another big one, if you miss your nuke (ie. You DONT kill him) you've just blown the whole Quadbox Shammy and a healer strat. Work on taking that first target down and teams will think twice before requeueing. If you are just blowing your nuke and not dropping your target, add in a lightning bolt and follow with an earth shock. THe first target must DIE.

I farm teams with 2+ Gladiators. In the end my real crediability will hopefully be in the form of some S4 shoulders and a "Gladiator" title. When you lose to these 2+ Gladiator teams how is the fight starting? All in all Mercurio, Id be interested in seeing what you are and aren't doing, maybe I'll learn something in the process of trying to give you advice that'll make me better. Good luck, and cheers mate!

Im not going to say some ppl dont have skills, or just can't control their toons good enough.

But i have to point this out: theres been some posts about, "my stats are these, and i can't get high ratings". "i have brutal gear, and can't kill ppl". "so i have 4 shamans and one pala, and we cant do nothing".

Im not trying to flame the thread or anything. Those quotes are just made up btw, im not here harrassing anyone. But i think some ppl just take it for granted, that u will own just by multiboxing.

I also know that each battlegroup is a different scenario. There might be harder and easier battlegroups.

Seeing Ellay's videos isn't everything. He won't play ur toons for u. If u let me add this, past 1600, for me, it doesnt looks any similar to Ellays fights. I had to start figuring out myself what and how to do with my partner. I wish i had them spread allover the bem's bridge at 1800+ lol. That doesnt happens, at all.
We may have the best stats in the world, but what if we face uber opponents with 4 seasons pvp experience? What if we arent skilled enough to compete?
Blizzard Broke Arenas, but not for me.

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114377#pos t114377

Are you running your set up with a focus? Can you're toons damage your focus target without targeting him with normal damage, like a lightning bolt or Earth shock?

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I haven't done this, but was considering how to do this based on one of the threads you recently wrote. Basically, I think I need to add a key to my main to set his focus, then add a couple of macros to each toon to assist the party1focus and attack, so that I have a "normal" cast lightning bolt that assists the main (what I have set up now) and a "focus" cast lightning bolt that assists the main's focus. Is that right? Of course, I'd need to do this for my shocks and alpha as well. One question - when you start mashing one of your "focus" attack buttons, does the first cast continue going to the assist target due to server lag?

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114377#pos t114377

Can you control your "clones" so that they can turn if the target moves behind you?

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Yes, been doing this from the very first arena battle on this team.

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114377#pos t114377

I really discourage playing with the same healer over and over until you are ready to make a run at a real rating.

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I may need to try a different one out. I do, however, see a problem in getting one with my kind of gear (which should represent someone in the 1700s+) willing to join a team ranked 1402.

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114377#pos t114377

THe first target must DIE.

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Yeah, this is tough. When fighting the multi-gladiator teams, it isn't so much the fact that there are 2+ extreme-geared players on the other team, it is that they are yelling at their 2-3 noob players on Vent, telling them exactly what to do to counter us. Mages/hunters pole hump (never staying in LOS for more than 1.5 seconds), longer cast players stay behind obstacles unless I'm completely turned around, constant drive-by fears that interrupt casts, horde racials to chain interrupt, etc. With all this going on, my alpha = dead target only works about half the time. The other half I've hit someone under some kind of immunity, interrupts cause my initial lightning bolt to just barely not get cast so the alpha hits a target that is not softened up, or I hit my alpha as the target is moving out of LOS, causing me to cast NS+EM, but not the chain lightning (meaning my next bolt is instant and powerful, but not on the target I want at the time I want).

As for my basic strategy, about half my games have been the wait and make them come to me strats when my totems are all up. These are 80% loss as people play LOS games until my healer is oom, then they all rush and own me. So we've been trying the rush strategy (was interesting to see Ellay post about it a few weeks after we'd been using it) and having a bit more success. However, good teams just run out of sight and play the LOS thing till I'm dead if they know what they are doing, so it = loss now much of the time as well.

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114377#pos t114377

Good luck, and cheers mate!

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Thanks, I appreciate the inputs and any feedback you can give me.

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Originally Posted by 'Mercurio',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114556#pos t114556

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114377#pos t114377

Are you running your set up with a focus? Can you're toons damage your focus target without targeting him with normal damage, like a lightning bolt or Earth shock?

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I haven't done this, but was considering how to do this based on one of the threads you recently wrote. Basically, I think I need to add a key to my main to set his focus, then add a couple of macros to each toon to assist the party1focus and attack, so that I have a "normal" cast lightning bolt that assists the main (what I have set up now) and a "focus" cast lightning bolt that assists the main's focus. Is that right? Of course, I'd need to do this for my shocks and alpha as well. One question - when you start mashing one of your "focus" attack buttons, does the first cast continue going to the assist target due to server lag?

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Yes you need to add a key to your main "/focus target" and I use "/focus [target=targettarget]" for my clones. What does this bring to the table? The ability to cast normal spells and ensure they're healing can't keep up. A Lightning Chain Bolt combo provides about 8-12k of instant damage they have to make up for...only the best double healer teams cant keep up. I usually just go for the double Lightning bolt combo and then follow with the nuke. They die about 99% of the time.

As far as server lag there is less of a problem. Unlike using your target that you have to switch to quickly, there is no server lag when you start spamming kill cast on my "focus" (it doesnt change so the information server side can't experience lag). I can't emphasize enough how much of a difference this has made for me. Using the strat and saving the nuke for later in the fight has allowed me to destroy teams that have given me grief in the past.

Also using the "/cast [target=targettarget]" method has much less server lag, and I have been able to keep my main up during their CD blowing DPS. Server lag is much lower with this set up than the alt "/follow focus."

Last but not least don't be discouraged by your losses. Work on taking that 1st Target down and realize your success is directly tied to that. Also using a focus will allow you to nuke down the LoS humping Queers in the arena. They tend to think because you aren't targeting them, then its okay to stand in the open. Then BOOOM = gg.

PM with your success, it sounds like your just a couple changes away from the 1600s.

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LoS humping Queers

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Ha.

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My guys are at 436 resil and 896 dmg

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2+ extreme-geared players on the other team

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Not sure why you think gear is a problem, you have the stats of the top arena players. I agree with Elektric, gear is not why you are losing.

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Originally Posted by 'magwo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114852#post11 4852

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LoS humping Queers

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Ha.

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love your location, ROFL!

:)

You wouldn't believe how much time I spent chasing surviving druids and priests around pillars yesterday night. They're 5v2 or 5v1, still they feel the need to make it a 30 minute game.

if i let the druid survive, and be the last one, he will stealth and camp the game. i guess hes hoping i'll get a disconenct or something.

last time it was on BEM arena, the druid was hidden behind the wall on the end of one side of the bridge. i only spot him by having my sound turned to max and hearing the stealth sound. we couldnt locate him with the "find invisibility" diamonds that spawn.

they say multiboxing is lamme.

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Originally Posted by 'merujo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115156#post1 15156

if i let the druid survive, and be the last one, he will stealth and camp the game. i guess hes hoping i'll get a disconenct or something.

last time it was on BEM arena, the druid was hidden behind the wall on the end of one side of the bridge. i only spot him by having my sound turned to max and hearing the stealth sound. we couldnt locate him with the "find invisibility" diamonds that spawn.

they say multiboxing is lamme.

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I have this happen a lot on my 3v3 shockadin team. We all quickly make a target macro with the last opponent's name followed with a judgment and run around spamming the macro. It usually pulls them out within a minute or two. Then we go to town laughing at them while they die to 3 holy pallies.