Follow In Battlegrounds Broken After 5.2

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Originally Posted by blast3r

What if they only allowed /follow if you follow someone in the same realm and/or guild?

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Or allow follow within same bnet-account would allow us to at least 5-box.

Its however so obvious multiboxers were the real targets here. I see a lot of bots in BG, but it was a really long time ago I actually did see a bot following someone. (And those follow-bots who actually did exist will just upgrade to smarter bots now).

So either they are not telling the truth to our faces OR they are so naive and have listened to all those reports from people who can’t spot the difference between a bot and a multiboxer.

Also I paid all my accounts 6 months in advance right before Christmas and still have two months left on all. This really pisses me off. I made a ticket about refund for the remaining weeks but haven't got any reply yet.

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Originally Posted by blast3r

What if they only allowed /follow if you follow someone in the same realm and/or guild?

Thoughts? A possible solution for Blizzard to enable /follow in BGs for boxers.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8197589941#1

Care to share your macros? :)

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this would take time to recode the game & there for supporting us sounds easy but they going to spend time fixing something that needs fixing or addeing follow for us.

The best we can see it back in RBG and Arana play if we lucky

There are numerous workarounds they could implement, and I'm sure the think-tank type guys at Blizzard have numerous options on the table, if they wanted to offer a multiboxing friendly environment.

However, 90% of your customer demographic seems to be heavily against boxing, even if they're uninformed and don't know the differences between boxing and botting.
Catering to your 90%, to keep them as happy as possible, is going to be a better financial decision than catering to the fewer boxers, even if per person they bring in far greater revenue (lets say, for argument 10% of the demographic brings in 15% of the revenue).

The change was aimed at boxers, at least partially.
Otherwise the Arena change to Follow would not have been included.
Bots are not an issue in Arena, yet Follow was removed there too.

While the timing of the sale, to just prior to the implementation of the Follow nerf, is not necessarily related... Blizzard is not stupid.
They had to realize the removal of Follow, would essentially kill PvP boxing aside from world PvP.
With an overall declining subscription base, and boxers consistently picking up 5-10 extra accounts here or there... for RAFing 2-3 new teams, or to attempt 10/15/20 boxing... Boxers make up a disproportionate amount of the sales.
There is no way, Blizzard as a company did not know the Follow change was coming; it is not like, 3 hours before the patch some guy says, 'What if we remove Follow from BGs/RBGs/Arena'? with his supervisor saying, 'Sure, that's throw that in as an extra change'.

So the whole... big sale, which boxers traditionally take massive advantage of... combined with, they know Follow nerfs which will kill the ability to box for numerous players, are coming... combined with no warning of the change, in patch notes or on the Test Realm... combined with it also applies to Arena, where bots are not present but boxers are...
It is basically impossible for an intelligent person to not conclude: Blizzard is against boxing in PvP, because it negatively impacts their large percentage of the player base... but Blizzard still wants boxers to dump money into the game, for PvE... so is not outright banning it.

I did read that they are looking at putting /follow back into arena and did admit there was not a botting problem there.

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However, 90% of your customer demographic seems to be heavily against boxing

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You mean 90 percent of the customer demographic that posts on the forum in which boxers threads are read by 5000 at the very most.

I am sure we are hated by 5 percent and 95 percent could care less eaither way.

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I did read that they are looking at putting /follow back into arena and did admit there was not a botting problem there

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And I don't see where /follow has been removed from rated battle grounds.

Again I dont see why any of you are quitting.

1) If you are not on a pvp server then how do you complain about lack of pvp; clearly you were not so interested in pvp from the start.

2) If you are on a pvp server there are all kinds of places you can go for pvp; the new thunder isl quests, the world bosses, the enemy capitals.

3) If you want gear then do rated battle grounds and take the cheap win when your oppenets dosnt show up, its fast and totaly legal. Its not your fault that your oppenets are so frightened of your prowess they leave before the battle starts. (actually they might hate the map, one of them had a bad connection, they argued amoust themselves aboutt stratagy and someone left so they all left, or they saw you names all the same and thought they might lose).

Tell me exactly what you cannot do to replace whatever you did AV for.


There are SO MANY ways to get gear in this game; trade skills, quests, raids, world pvp. You can get raid gear and use pvp gems if you want pvp gear, its just goes on and on. And your boxer you dont NEED 522 in each slot to faceroll people.



I did try AV a couple of times, first time I said nothing and they reported me for being a bot; second time I said I was a boxer and would hearth to the boss and play defensive. I did but what kind of a game is that 30 ally attack me when I zone in, I do a bunch of aoe and die, and hearth in again and delay them a bit and die again and hearth in again and delay them and bit and die again. Thats just stupid so Iam doing the thunder isl quests as I dont have much else to do. And the world bosses but already did Galeaon and Sha this week.

IWT is poision if your target dies you run all over the place. the mammonth works somewhat but .... all these work arounds are not practical for casters, maybe mellee is ok not sure.

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Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker

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You mean 90 percent of the customer demographic that posts on the forum in which boxers threads are read by 5000 at the very most.

I am sure we are hated by 5 percent and 95 percent could care less eaither way.




And I don't see where /follow has been removed from rated battle grounds.

Again I dont see why any of you are quitting.

1) If you are not on a pvp server then how do you complain about lack of pvp; clearly you were not so interested in pvp from the start.

2) If you are on a pvp server there are all kinds of places you can go for pvp; the new thunder isl quests, the world bosses, the enemy capitals.

3) If you want gear then do rated battle grounds and take the cheap win when your oppenets dosnt show up, its fast and totaly legal. Its not your fault that your oppenets are so frightened of your prowess they leave before the battle starts. (actually they might hate the map, one of them had a bad connection, they argued amoust themselves aboutt stratagy and someone left so they all left, or they saw you names all the same and thought they might lose).

Tell me exactly what you cannot do to replace whatever you did AV for.


There are SO MANY ways to get gear in this game; trade skills, quests, raids, world pvp. You can get raid gear and use pvp gems if you want pvp gear, its just goes on and on. And your boxer you dont NEED 522 in each slot to faceroll people.



I did try AV a couple of times, first time I said nothing and they reported me for being a bot; second time I said I was a boxer and would hearth to the boss and play defensive. I did but what kind of a game is that 30 ally attack me when I zone in, I do a bunch of aoe and die, and hearth in again and delay them a bit and die again and hearth in again and delay them and bit and die again. Thats just stupid so Iam doing the thunder isl quests as I dont have much else to do. And the world bosses but already did Galeaon and Sha this week.

IWT is poision if your target dies you run all over the place. the mammonth works somewhat but .... all these work arounds are not practical for casters, maybe mellee is ok not sure.

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While everything you're saying is true, some of us just enjoyed boxing in BGs. In world PvP you can't really do it much, they call more people and in a matter of minutes the PvP is over with you dead. In BGs at least it's a controlled environment where sometimes you pwn and sometimes you get pwned. Winning all the time or losing all the time is not fun either way.

Sam - I LOVE bg's and I am an ach whore so I am still farming my warsong and Arathi Basin reps also, I am on a pvp server and as much as world pvp is fun in a lot of ways - how am I meant to gear up for arena and RBG's - BG's are the easiest way to get gear in order to explore the game and have more fun, raiding died for me after wrath (don't even do LFR) and I am not interested in any type of raiding gear what so ever. I am not going to be going into RBG's to lose and get points I play to win and win in every way I possibly can. I have cancelled all my accounts and after playing since Vanila I am pissed and will not be coming back till something is resolved with this.

To PvP I need gear. BGs is the best way to get at least some decent gear to further PvP progress. I didn't know they didn't disable it for rated bgs!

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Originally Posted by blast3r

To PvP I need gear. BGs is the best way to get at least some decent gear to further PvP progress. I didn't know they didn't disable it for rated bgs!

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I dont honestly know we cant log into rated bgs' but surely there is no bot problem in rated bg's. But again we have no proof it has been disabled in rated bg's. But at any rate you dont need follow if your oppents do not show up .....

You can pvp in raid type gear by adding pvp gems ....

Dont get me wrong AV was also my favorite part of the game, it was more fun to lose 10 AV's in a row then do one stupid quest.

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Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker

I dont honestly know we cant log into rated bgs' but surely there is no bot problem in rated bg's. But again we have no proof it has been disabled in rated bg's. But at any rate you dont need follow if your oppents do not show up .....

You can pvp in raid type gear by adding pvp gems ....

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Maybe 1 out of 100 RBG's on my battelnet no-one will turn up for. and just wait /follow bots in RBG's is what they will working on now I bet you as free conq for losing, It will be disabled in there soon enough put my money on it. I know you are trying to put a positive look on this for us, but for some of us there is no light at the end of the tunnel if things stay like this.