Comparison of squads for 5 man dungeons

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08-21-2019, 03:24 PM
xandorz

I think a mix of warriors+either paladin or shaman to heal would be best melee group for dungeons.

5 Enh Shamans might be a great melee group for pvp. With all being able to heal, fear removal, grounding totem, Fire Nova Totem, Shocks, Purge etc.

I think they have 3 big weaknesses.
They can be kited easily (this might be countered by their shocks and if needed they can still use cast time spells).
I think they have low and unreliable damage. This might not be an issue because they should be able to burst a lot and instantly kill enemies. (combine auto attack or fire nova totem with shocks or stormstrike for a big burst of damage)
Mana issues. Might not be a huge issue in short pvp fights.

Can also get good weapons from raid thrash for both warrior and enh shaman.
1h from Naxx thrash (basically only way you can get better is from Kel'Thuzad)
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=232...aced-servo-arm
2h from AQ40 thrash (proc might scale with spellpower, can get better from raid bosses but still it is really good and farmable for a multiboxer)
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=218...-blood-drinker
08-22-2019, 08:57 AM
Perrigrin

What level do you expect a 4 warrior + 1 resto shaman to be able to do RFC? It feels like the lack of CC would make that very hard with very little gear like you'd have?
08-22-2019, 11:10 AM
gormless

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Originally Posted by Perrigrin

What level do you expect a 4 warrior + 1 resto shaman to be able to do RFC? It feels like the lack of CC would make that very hard with very little gear like you'd have?

I'm guessing you'd have to just go as far as you can each time and get further and further each run. No info to back this up but I'd start at 12 when shaman gets Ancestral Spirit to be able to res the dead ones.
08-23-2019, 07:35 PM
Mooni

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Originally Posted by Perrigrin

What level do you expect a 4 warrior + 1 resto shaman to be able to do RFC? It feels like the lack of CC would make that very hard with very little gear like you'd have?

In classic this was the first dungeon I ever did in a pug. It was level 14. I was a shaman and some priest reached out to me because he saw me on /who and asked if
1) I'd be comfortable tanking
2) If I had a shield (if not, he'd give me one)
3) if I had earth shock and would be willing to use it every 6 seconds 🤣

No wipes. The whole group was 14 when we started.

But as multiboxers I think you can show up at 10-12 and farm the worms and elementals at the entrance, and then maybe the first 2-3 troggs, before you run out and reset. The XP will go fast enough that you'll be able to plow through those troggs around 14 and then you'll be just fine with careful pulls once you get to the cultists. Don't forget to buy ammo or thrown weapons for your puller!

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08-24-2019, 12:32 AM
Twl231

So....have a mage in your party and a lock....

1. Finish dungeon
2. Have your mage portal/hearth to a city.
3. Log out on your other 4 toons
4. Mage resets the dungeon
5. Log back into your other 4 toons
6. They should be back at the start of the instance
7. Summon the mage back (might have to step outside instance to summon)
08-24-2019, 05:54 AM
nodoze

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Originally Posted by Twl231

So....have a mage in your party and a lock....

1. Finish dungeon
2. Have your mage portal/hearth to a city.
3. Log out on your other 4 toons
4. Mage resets the dungeon
5. Log back into your other 4 toons
6. They should be back at the start of the instance
7. Summon the mage back (might have to step outside instance to summon)

I think people were recommending a 6th character which could be on one of your 5 accounts. One recent discussion on how to do this:
https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...l=1#post421818
11-23-2019, 03:20 AM
Usmcgruntz

I am trying a 5 man team of 1 priest and 4 mages for high end level gold farming and PvP. I just got to level 21 after 1 day and 6 hours of playing. I thought once I got my team into deadmines it would go quicker since questing with a 5 man team is extremely slow. But it has gone even slower without having a tank to mass pull and aoe. Plus I am spending a majority of my time making water and drinking more than I’m pulling. It is taking an ungodly amount of time. I think I’m going to take my warrior fury/prot warrior and run them through or make a new one for dungeon grinding because not having a tank is terrible. One person dies after every large pull or if I don’t pull enough and smaller pulls then it takes forever to complete the dg. Also I can’t tank the last boss in dead mines without dying. So I’m being to think it can’t be done efficiently with that comp. what is everyone else’s comp and why and what’s your experience on how long it takes to level a 5 man.
11-23-2019, 08:05 AM
nodoze

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Originally Posted by Usmcgruntz

I am trying a 5 man team of 1 priest and 4 mages for high end level gold farming and PvP. I just got to level 21 after 1 day and 6 hours of playing. I thought once I got my team into deadmines it would go quicker since questing with a 5 man team is extremely slow. But it has gone even slower without having a tank to mass pull and aoe. Plus I am spending a majority of my time making water and drinking more than I’m pulling. It is taking an ungodly amount of time. I think I’m going to take my warrior fury/prot warrior and run them through or make a new one for dungeon grinding because not having a tank is terrible. One person dies after every large pull or if I don’t pull enough and smaller pulls then it takes forever to complete the dg. Also I can’t tank the last boss in dead mines without dying. So I’m being to think it can’t be done efficiently with that comp. what is everyone else’s comp and why and what’s your experience on how long it takes to level a 5 man.

If I recall correctly the recommended approach for 4M+Priest team is to take small clumps and AE them down and rinse/repeat and generally avoid bosses until you get up to cap and get semi geared.

It is one of the fastest approaches to cap with appropriate sized clumps and by appropriate I mean taking the biggest group you can kill without dieing which will vary somewhat based on your level compared to the dungeon.

I think folk are split about having a tank or not. Some folk who have one wish they didn't and some folk that don't wish they did. Tanks pushing AoE threat is harder after the nerfs awhile back but it does still work (just needs more shouts up front).

Personally I think it is wise to at least have an option for a Tank. If you already have one at cap and are fine with using it for running dungeons when your mages get to cap you may be best served to just focus on clearing clumps as fast as you can to get to cap and then mix in the tank when you feel it is warranted.

Maybe someone can give some insight into their setup/approaches and/or contrast/compare to what you are doing as your current team should be one of the fastest out there (if not the fastest) as long as you are OK with skipping hard bosses and just getting to cap ASAP.
11-23-2019, 08:22 AM
balton

Anyone tried play with paladin and 4 mages... Can the paladin tank and healing efective?
11-23-2019, 08:32 AM
nodoze

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Originally Posted by balton

Anyone tried play with paladin and 4 mages... Can the paladin tank and healing efective?

I believe Apatheist and some others are doing Paladin+4Mages.

IIRC Apatheist had shared how he was using his Paladin to kite mobs through Blizzard (different approach than just AEing clumps).

Between debuffs, silences, interrupts, & CC I would be concerned to try to both main tank and main heal from a single Paladin. Would love to see some videos of people pulling it off at cap but so far I have not and would think of a Tanking Paladin as at most an off-healer unless evidence is presented otherwise.

Most folk with a Paladin Tank are are doing PaladinTank+3Mages+Healer (either a 2nd Paladin or Priest).
11-23-2019, 10:11 AM
balton

I was thinking If a team with 2 paladins and 3 mages works fine... When you play with a tank, healer and 3 mages, this work, but the leveling is more slow. If i use 2 paladins (1 tank and 1 healer), can i use one of this to do aoe damage?
11-24-2019, 01:36 AM
nodoze

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Originally Posted by balton

I was thinking If a team with 2 paladins and 3 mages works fine... When you play with a tank, healer and 3 mages, this work, but the leveling is more slow. If i use 2 paladins (1 tank and 1 healer), can i use one of this to do aoe damage?

Yes a Paladin Tank is an AoE damage character who mainly generates threat via damage that is magnified, relatively, via their threat management tools (both magnification of their own threat and, if needed, diminishing of other's threat). Their damage is definitely not as high as any of the Mages but it is significant.
12-06-2019, 04:25 PM
Diwa

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Originally Posted by rleur

Am I crazy for wanting to run a 5 Pally team to clear dungeons? I know DPS won't be stellar but it seems as if all dungeons including UBRS might be a possibility with the high armor, healing, buffs, etc.. The 5 free lvl 40 mounts also are appealing. What do you all think?

Based from YouTube, the only team I've seen beating Baron so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8PKUo8yEls

I want to farm that mount!
12-08-2019, 09:50 AM
nodoze

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Originally Posted by rleur

Am I crazy for wanting to run a 5 Pally team to clear dungeons? I know DPS won't be stellar but it seems as if all dungeons including UBRS might be a possibility with the high armor, healing, buffs, etc.. The 5 free lvl 40 mounts also are appealing. What do you all think?

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Originally Posted by Diwa

Based from YouTube, the only team I've seen beating Baron so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8PKUo8yEls

I want to farm that mount!

Recently had an interesting discussion about 5 Paladins all running 'Blackblade of Shahram' due to double proc chance from Seal of Righteousness giving resulting in upto +250 all stats (or +275 all stats with Kings) and +25% haste (in addition to AoE heals, AoE mana, AoE stuns, AoE slows, & AoE damage) to the team. A video focused on the blade (not necessarily 5 Paladins):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZYPyCeeFpw
12-08-2019, 06:57 PM
Purpleflavor

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Originally Posted by nodoze

Recently had an interesting discussion about 5 Paladins all running 'Blackblade of Shahram' due to double proc chance from Seal of Righteousness giving resulting in upto +250 all stats (or +275 all stats with Kings) and +25% haste (in addition to AoE heals, AoE mana, AoE stuns, AoE slows, & AoE damage) to the team. A video focused on the blade (not necessarily 5 Paladins):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZYPyCeeFpw

gotta be worth the insane farm, it has to be bis for multiboxing until tbc
12-10-2019, 09:40 AM
Kraxx

Is it confirmed that Seal of Righteousness procs Shahram?

0.31 drop chance --> worst case 300 UBRS runs for each char?
If you have five of them before classic servers go down you are a lucky one :rolleyes:
12-10-2019, 10:25 AM
nodoze

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Originally Posted by Kraxx

Is it confirmed that Seal of Righteousness procs Shahram?

0.31 drop chance --> worst case 300 UBRS runs for each char?
If you have five of them before classic servers go down you are a lucky one :rolleyes:

I don't know if it has been confirmed for sure on live Classic Servers specifically for BoS but double proc chance has been confirmed on many other melee items. I don't know if this was one of the items that got an increased drop chance when they later increased in Vanilla the drop chance for Baron's mount, Ironfoe, etc and it will be interesting if we get the increased drop chances in a patch like they did on Vanilla servers.. It would be a pretty crazy farm even with the increased drop chance...
12-10-2019, 08:46 PM
Ironbar

Nobody has given any love to the 1-Prot Warrior 4-Elemental Shaman.

It's great burst damage all the healing you'll need (I rarely need to heal during any single pull and often go multiple pulls until I need to heal. I farm Live Strat for gold farming) and when things go wrong you have 4 reincarnates that can all rez. You aren't going to do the massive AOE pulls that mages can do, and you aren't going as fast as 4-warriors 1-shaman but I do a full strat live in about 30 minutes which is fast enough for me.
12-10-2019, 11:13 PM
Drakhoun

Im just wondering. Could a WMMMP team do Strath Baron run?
I find the fights where the boss summons multiple adds are quite difficult to handle with AE spam as i go oom fast.
12-10-2019, 11:22 PM
Lyonheart

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Originally Posted by Ironbar

Nobody has given any love to the 1-Prot Warrior 4-Elemental Shaman.

It's great burst damage all the healing you'll need (I rarely need to heal during any single pull and often go multiple pulls until I need to heal. I farm Live Strat for gold farming) and when things go wrong you have 4 reincarnates that can all rez. You aren't going to do the massive AOE pulls that mages can do, and you aren't going as fast as 4-warriors 1-shaman but I do a full strat live in about 30 minutes which is fast enough for me.

I might have to make a horde team because this is a close as you can get to Paly+4shaman, the team that brought me to this site back in BC ( and Ellay ) I still love that team the most. ( not great on live atm ) Or maybe druid(bear)+shaman
12-11-2019, 12:23 PM
Yukzor

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Originally Posted by Ironbar

Nobody has given any love to the 1-Prot Warrior 4-Elemental Shaman.

It's great burst damage all the healing you'll need (I rarely need to heal during any single pull and often go multiple pulls until I need to heal. I farm Live Strat for gold farming) and when things go wrong you have 4 reincarnates that can all rez. You aren't going to do the massive AOE pulls that mages can do, and you aren't going as fast as 4-warriors 1-shaman but I do a full strat live in about 30 minutes which is fast enough for me.

Can you kill baron?
12-11-2019, 03:46 PM
SonyEQ

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Originally Posted by Diwa

Based from YouTube, the only team I've seen beating Baron so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8PKUo8yEls

I want to farm that mount!

Quiding makes it look pretty trivial:

https://youtu.be/pHeTc-Hv5PY?t=3609
12-11-2019, 05:14 PM
z0k

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Originally Posted by Drakhoun

Im just wondering. Could a WMMMP team do Strath Baron run?
I find the fights where the boss summons multiple adds are quite difficult to handle with AE spam as i go oom fast.

I think it would be difficult and I still have a ways to go but I think it would be completely possible.
The boss is a tank and spank with adds and AoE damage. Move tank and heals/dps into position, keep them in one spot, and burn the boss ASAP.
The adds are by far the biggest concern although the AoE damage creates some difficulty from a healing perspective.

I would probably drive from the priest and try the following different ways to handle them. A lot of this would be dependent upon how many casts it takes for the adds to die. I would not let Baron heal from the adds.

Strategies I would use to approach the add problem (in order):
1.) Strat water on priest.
2.) Holy Nova on priest, if only one cast, hope for best on mana
3.) Round Robin AE on mages, assuming it only takes one cast.
12-13-2019, 02:52 AM
Kurkis493

I can do all the dungeons in classic. I've done UBRS clears with a buddy who plays prot paladin / 3x mage / holy paladin.

My comp is a warrior / 2x mage / hunter / priest. A 3rd mage would have been better but I raid weekly on my warrior and hunter which were my intentions going into classic. I will say that having the hunter with jumper cables can save some running back because a warrior / 3x mage / priest has no wipe protection.
12-13-2019, 05:46 AM
Weepy

As WLMMP i have cleared all dungeons. For UBRS full run i invited 4 dps friends.

As for baron I just max range casters and downrank healing on the priest. Mana ruby and evocation for mages and a mana pot for the priest.
AE for adds and rest just pewpew.

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