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Originally Posted by ebony
In other news i got unbanned today
all my isk is gone (even the isk i didnt earn multiboxing incursions...lol)
what to do now...
I was going to set up a dashboard with vidfx but there is alot of shit flying around saying that video fx is also illegal
E:Inb4 lords mad post
Sorry for your loss tony, if you hadnt gotten banned i was actually planning to sub more accounts :D going to start multiboxing rift soon :D (cant handle wows pay model :( ) good luck wherever you go
E2: (sorry) received very similar response from GM, they seem to reply to ban threads after the ban has been lifted.
ALSO, who said Videofx are legal? from what im seeing video FX are illegal....
Let's see Lax and the CSM try to spin THIS one!
Why the hell would they unban you but take your isk??Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
Have they offered any explanation at all?
@thedevilyouknow
I received a screen shot of a GM response to multiboxing questions. It's what I posted on page 7. I'm 100% convinced that it is legit.
To clarify, I wasnt unbanned (misuse of the word apologies) The ban ran its course, and my accounts were drained of isk (apparently isboxing is in line with the policy for botting, yay...not like i spent dozens of hours theory crafting, training and practicing)
mosg i saw that page, my response looks identical in many areas with just a bit extra
petition for the isk back.Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
per their policy
here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default...posts&t=387571
or
http://community.eveonline.com/news/...520.1423025845
they make no mention of seizing isk or assets
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Originally Posted by shadowandlight
they directed me to this when they mentioned the assets seized
http://community.eveonline.com/suppo...anning-policy/
So I guess they are now placing VFX / Round-Robin into the EXPLOIT category!? Have the wheels fallen off the bus at this company?
apparently according to lords, vfx are legal.....waiting for official response before i unsub all my accounts
How exactly would they determine you're using vidfx to begin with? From their end it is indistinguishable from alt-tabbing.
if your too good they just ban you, that appears to be how it shakes out
So I'm using a third party program (windows 7) to alter the appearance of the game environment content. So I'm breaking the rules now by playing in windowed mode? Holy shit no wonder they didn't want to draw a line or even discuss this. CCP's stance is fucking insane.
Apparently high 6 minute low 7 minute ticks are fine for vanguards.
CCP doesn't seem to realize they aren't the only option anymore when it comes to space combat mmos.
There's so many free GOOD MMOs I've begun considering quitting before I become the next ban.
So who's up for reporting everyone in game for having an unfair advantage? IT's not fair you started playing the game before I was able to which caused you to have more SP then me. It's not fair you had more isk invested in your ship in our fight!!!
My god what a mess.
If you're too good, and they ban you, does that mean those that use local overlays and are too good at pvp also get banned?
Also shadow, you've been using vfx, round robin and rollover yes?
for bombers ive been using rollovers and vfx, I could use round-robins but rollovers are faster in some situationsQuote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
Spin what? His prior post on the matter seemed to be pretty spot on:Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
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Originally Posted by Lax
Except we were promised explicitly that they had the means to differentiate between the three and would only target input duplication/broadcasting. If a GM doesn't give a shit about the game he was hired to police, he should quit or be fired. We the players have sunk time, money, and effort into this game, and we're supposed to be OK with what may be some Indian call center rent-a-GM who wishes he was back at home instead of at work? I don't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
As for "unfair advantage", we've had this discussion millions of times in the weekly GD threads of the people crying about "wah my kitchen sink noob incursion fleet lost a contest with a super-bling super skilled isboxer", "wah someone mined 'my' minerals in the asteroid belt", "wah my AFK hauling freighter with 20b worth of blue loot and deadspace modules got ganked in Niarja", and my personal favorite, "wah my fleet was sitting on a planet 100% AFK with no scouts and we got bombed".
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Originally Posted by bugme143
There is a theme here
If you are TOO good, at controlling multiple accounts, you will be banned
I.e. if, as you say, but time, money and effort into EVE and work extremely diligently, and eventually compete against a group of other players, drunk, messing around and putting in 10% effort, and you beat them in whatever way, you will be banned
If they cannot differentiate between the three, then we have a problem, also have a problem where if there is a "Indian call center rent-a-gm" who receives X amount of petitions on certain characters, and auto bans them, then any multiboxer who was previously banned will receive a permanent ban and be done with the game.
Bottom line is, we have no leverage and are expendable
CCP has inadvertently shaken consumer confidence - that is an undeniable fact regardless of whether you have been banned or not, as logically, if you see a governing force of any description, suddenly change its ways, or penalize a population for previously unstated reasons then yes you should be worried.
Also this poem comes to mind, for some reason...
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007392
@all
As others have previously said, the situation is basically "If you're too efficient then you're going to get temp banned." I don't know what their metric is for pvp. The real question, even though it's rhetorical, is "Does it matter?"
You could get temp banned at any point. It will take them 2-3 weeks to process your request to have it lifted. Then you could get banned again for being too efficient. I don't know about you, but I prefer a little bit more stability and regularity in my game-play. Shrug.
shame mosg, i love all your setups, should be part of eve porn on reddit
Personally for my ban, i got a reply literally 1 day before it ran its full course
So 1 day - infinity for a permanent ban
I petitioned for CCP's renewed stance on videoFX because they like to change things
Also might see if i can get the first ban lifted from my accounts
Which i hear some people have tried
I don't like the idea of a "efficiency wall" that is also invisible - so don't use round robin or rollovers, the gm response mosg got is legit
As long as i get a green light on VideoFX that leaves a small window of hope, but stil lweary of signing up more accounts
@mosg what game will you play now?
@thedevilyouknow
The problem with a positive response to VFX is that it still doesn't solve the 'efficiency wall' as you put it. If you're too efficient, you'll get the ban.
I'll probably go back to WoW. Playing on a super-unbalanced server (Kil'jaeden-Horde) means that there are fights everywhere.
Some of the fun with multiboxing fleets was that you could develop ways to become as efficient as possible without having to worry about 3rd parties and focus on your own clients.
Yes that's the problem, if the stance from the start had been "no input dupe, no RR, no rollovers" but vid fx are okay so all you crazy efficient multiboxers have at it, we'd all be mostly fine, some might want to argue but those are clear, concise terms that we do not have to worry about false bans or bans due to petitions
Id love to multibox wow someday but paywall :(
Wow has been changed so that it doesn't matter what server you're on when it comes to world pvp. Blizzard in an attempt to balance numbers combines city and overworld maps across servers so there's more of a balance of horde vs alliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosg2
I can't wait till my windowed mode is too fast and I get banned...
Am I the only one that finds it completely hypocritical of CCP to now be worrying about one very very narrow "unfair advantage" while advocating others and even advertising on the fact that eve isn't fair?
I'd like to be the first to congratulate EVE Protection Agency corporation for their boxed bomber squad that killed Corebloodbrother, and that bombed a rupture fleet. I apologize for the bad BR, as I don't know which minor alliance is on which side.
you have no proof that this was a multiboxed bomber fleet, nor are you or anyone else able to qualify what they did, or did not do, as an unfair advantage!Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
get this slander off these forums!
(who was the FC, i want to send him a thank you)
Going to specifically point out this segment from the post Mosg put up
]The multiplex/input-broadcasting change was made in order to eliminate certain patterns of play that gave those involved unfair advantages over other players. If using any other set up results in same or similar unfair advantages then those patterns of play are clearly not safe to employ and players risk getting banned for it. The end result is an unfair advantage over other users playing the game with the EVE Online client as it is shipped and action will be taken in such cases.
Read it carefully
Right. So STRICTLY interpret these rules as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
Are you doing anything that another player in the game couldn't do? Don't do it.
With my setup - I use videofx simply to move around the actual ingame assets. Any player in the game can move their mouse and click a button - just like I do. Any player in the game can go click their broadcast window - just like I do.
Any player in the game CANNOT scroll their mouse wheel and fire off 20 rattlesnake's worth of missiles.
I'd say avoid any and ALL shenanigans. If it can't be done by someone in the normal game don't do it.
In my point of view, everything Mosg2 showed in his video was okay - except that. So, am I correct assuming that using videoFX for snipping the EVE windows in parts like he did would be okay, since it's only "window management" and the same could be done by alt-tabbing or similar? How do you think about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordsServant
And not every player can use EVEMon, or PYFA, or EFT, or use Fuzzworks to it's full extent, or use whatever that new market thing that shadow mentioned, or..... do I need to go on? If CCP wants to ban one thing that has ZERO PROOF THAT IT CREATES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE and has serious weaknesses to EWAR, then they need to ban anything that looks like it can create an unfair advantage. Anyone can bind "Scroll Wheel Down" as F1, and indeed many FPS players bind SWD for M1 for pistols or semi-autos.
We have been shown no evidence that ISBoxer creates an advantage, and indeed there's quite a bit of evidence about it's weakness. We have seen, in response to our statements and evidence and request to be left alone: ad hominem attacks, strawman fallacies, True Scotsman fallacies, outright insults, verbal abuse, Kafkatraps, and a general lack of knowledge of the program and of the EULA.
Surely, sitting on a gate with a 10-man remote sebo fleet is a hugely unfair advantage over little ole me just tootling through lowsec?
Where do I submit my 'refund' request when I'm ganked that way?
how many normal players are able to run 10+ accounts, have the hardware for it, are able to spend the days required to tweak their setups to be effective multiboxing etc etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by LordsServant
its a ridiculous situation!
I can run 8 accounts easily on my old e7200 dual core system which is about 6 or so years old now. The major limiting factor is ram.
I learned something today. :p I knew about the concept but never heard a name put to it. o7Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
@Lords
Sorry dude, but the response is pretty clear: Anything you're doing, no matter what program etc, doesn't matter; they're only looking at how efficient you are. VFX do speed things up, obviously, because you don't have to tab to that window and move your mouse as far to do that action. Don't be disingenuous.
Well well, I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
jk
Evemon does not interact with the game client. You are clicking the buttons to train the skills it advises you to.Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
PYFA and EFT both do not interact with the game client - you are clicking the buttons to fit the ship as you choose ingame.
Fuzzworks also....does not interact with the game client. It simply advises you on what t do.
Please do go on.....
Ofc anyone could bind scroll wheel down to f1, but guess what? Scrolling down won't activate f1 on all of their chars - just the one currently selected.
You need to go from one to the next THEN scroll down or do w/e you bound f1 to.
Round Robin, per CCP's ALREADY STATED RULES of 1 input = 1 output already clearly show that to be against their new regulations.
It WOULD be legal to scroll down(hitting f1), go to the next client, then scroll down again.
1 input = 1 output.
Again, with videofx only - I click once ingame, and then I manually move my mouse over to wherever else, then manually click the ingame button for w/e again.
Just stick to doing things as close to the original client as possible, while avoiding shenanigans and STRICTLY interpret the eula - you should be fine.
Rollover: One button per 1 action.
Round Robin: One button per 1 action.
CCP's policy is very clear: ANYTHING that may provide an advantage is bannable. Doesn't matter if it interacts with the client or not. If CCP wants to enforce a relatively small part of their EULA on a relatively small group of players who want to be left the fuck alone and who don't, in any measurable or appreciable way, cause players to leave the game, they ought to enforce the EULA on everyone. /sarcasm
Pretty much this, if you have an advantage against anyone just playing the game as it was shipped, they can, ban you at any timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mosg2
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comment...ck_you_oodell/
Oodell is causing mass anger
hilarious
I didn't realize so many people were so bad at the game. The spread of bombs is easy to do without a repeater or any real tricks.