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Originally Posted by Nikita
Well, we all know boxing ele shamans work in arena. Im currently have 1500 rating in 5s without a struggle, havent hit the roof @ all. Im not sure about enhancement shamanas performance, BUT everytime I meet one in arena, I choose a warrior first! They got good healing spells, and do good dmg. Ive just finished gearing up in elemental gear, getting enhancement gear is next on my list. Gonna try running 4 enhancement shamans with 2H + priest in arenaQuote:
Originally Posted by Mercbeast
That 2h video is interesting. However he was using zerker buff everytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
What is intriguing about 2h for me is that I think the DPS cycle on 2h is probably easier to manage than on dw.
oh I didnt know that, using zerker buff is cheating. Got my hopes all up.
Doesn't the troll racial and a herbalism "lifeblood" haste buff get you close to a Berzerker buff speed? Might be an option for those that run horde shaman which is what I do.
What's your win/loss ratio? Are you over 50%?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
I did a few matches with a setup of 1 mage + 4 ele shamans, and a few matches with a scrub paladin. Didnt work out until I found a great priest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toned
My stats with the priest is currently 44 - 35. But atleast we win more then we lose now. Been gearing up, and Im now finished :) Broke the 1550 achievement today, I think it went like 8 wins 3 loss.
The problem with getting ratings up early in the season is that you will meet the good teams on their way up. All your hard earned ratings will be ended up feeding them.
its best to let them pass you and play the catch up.
The block comes at around 1900. If you can break that, 2200 is within reach.
Ive heard this before, and I know its doable with ele shamans. Once Im in full ruthless you have enough burst to take on any combo :)Quote:
Originally Posted by remanz
Ele shams are a lot more effort that DKs atm... I'm still mashing away with the DKs using a priest who was in mostly lvl 80 pvp gear... Yes level 80 (he quit with cata launch).
I tried a few diff games and comps with my shamans, but I concluded as long as DKs are working I'm going to leave the shams shelved (But I need force myself to keep conquest capping for Gear).
I went 9-15 playing all 5 toons... soon as I found out that Psychopriest was back I hit him up, and went 34-25. Now I'm just waiting on him to farm gear.
I just hit a losing streak! Soooo fuckin annoying! Im down 70 rating, and now Im @ 1505 again.....
Well. don't get discouraged. have to know when to stop. Some nights you have it. Some nights you don't. Its like gambling lol. and admit some teams just have your number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
and like I said, better let the pros pass you. Knowing that you are practicing and possibly feeding the pros, you should not be too demoralized at those losses.
EDIT:
the hardest part at this for me is that I cannot find a partner (healer) that wishes to lose with me, learn the fight. Its all nice and easy when I win. After losing 4-5 in a roll, they just quit.
So I ended up mostly 5 boxing.
Well BGing at 83 with 4 enhance shamans is one of the most frustrating things when compared to DK's.
There is no comparison at this point, the reverse mobility grip gives you just makes the team. I'll go with elemental on the shamans now, no chance of running enhance I don't think. Two ele + 2 DK + paladin or outside healer could be interesting.
The Ele's at the very least will be providing a constant source of solid ranged dps.
Yeah, my healer knows the limitations, and also the potential of this combo. And losing 5-7 fights in a row (havent happened yet) is frustrating for both. But for every fight we lose, we stop queing and discuss what went wrong, and we learn from it! We've beaten tough combos like warrior, DK, 2 x rogues and holy pala. Its all in the learning process :) and its fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by remanz
Don't queue on Tuesdays, if you lose 2 or 3 in a row stop queueing for a bit.
The only way to master an opponent is to get practise, losing 10 games in a row is still more useful than not queueing except you are already high rated. 4 of my 7 loss this season were against a boomkin/rogue/mage/disc/rshaman comp, theres not much to do against smokebomb+ solar beam, but I still managed to pull out 2 wins at the end by just zerging the mage, four ele shamans dpsing a mage creates incredible much pressure, save grounding totems for solar beam and at least 2 thunder storms for smokebomb if he got shadowstep ready. The most annoying thing is solar beam+smokebomb together because my pally cant heal without using bubble, if hes running in hes getting silienced and I cant run out due to kidney/df/70% slow poison and usually die in this situation when I got no trinket ready, solar beam has only one minute cooldown and rogues also place two smokebomb within a minute when using combat readiness.
So the only way I could defeat them was by zerging the mage and every shaman focus shocking the druid, costs a lot of mana but once the mage uses iceblock I can oneshot him afterwards with instant lava burst/earth shock easily. A well timed hammer on the rogue while bursting is also a good idea.
... so basic strat survive until all shamans have 9 orbs of lightning shield, pruge your focus target and flame shock him wait about 2 sec perhaps dropp grounding totems between or fake cast something, if they dont dispel flame shocks then unleash elements- instant lava burst - earth shock, thats usually a guaranteed kill, my pally is also using aura mastery shortly before I start to burst to prevent soft counter/silience effects like strangulate/garrote .. (if he got aura mastery ready wich is not always possible if our opponents focus all counters on him)
and its always better to not cast anything a few sec before you use your cooldowns except you know that none of your toons was interrupted on that cast, dont forget you get also lightning orbs by recieving damage (recommending to use interface addons like xperl to track how many lightning shield orbs each shaman has), at the beginning of each match I'm starting with fs lava burst to eat melee kicks into fire school so I can cast lightnings and stack the shield up faster (most people still think 4 lava bursts are going to oneshot someone :D)
oh and yeah against resto druid teams switch a lot, it doesnt make sense to dps someone who got 3 stacks of lifebloom and other trash hots
I hit a really big losing streak, and went from 1578 to 1412 in 2 days. Now Im up @ 1615, MMR closing in on 1700. The last match I did today was against DK/Warr/Rogue/Retadin/H-pala. Their team MMR was 2,150 k! Got their warr down to 30 k hp, but had to heal my priest up. Next time ill be more greedy on handing out TS to opponents, and stack on top of a pillar against 4 melee + 1 healer teams. We also went 3-1 against a 3 healer 2 dps team. After 1 loss we knew what to do, survive the first burst wave and go really defensive, stack up 9 lightning shield orbs on all shamans, quick hex then burst rotation!Quote:
Originally Posted by remanz
my shamans have reached 1115 in 3v3 now
Whats your win ratio like? As long as your having fun, and get points for it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by death
my win ratio is something like 70-100 for the season, but going up slowly, and yeah having fun
Anyone know of a high rated shaman multiboxer these days?
nope, i obly know of you and me nikita, im at 1255 with only one night of 5v5 done....what kinda of combos do you lose too?, ive lost to warrior/dk/rogue/Rsham and Rdruid tonight, as a shaman how do you counter heavy melee + 2 heals
Ive beaten 3 healer 2 melee combos. Ive beaten 4 mages 1 priest combos, Ive beaten 4 mages 1 rogue combo. But what really destroys me is rogue, warr, DK , hpala, Priest/shaman/druid combos. They are the hardest. My tacs for these fights is to purge both the warrior and the DK. Try to force the DK to use his anti magic shell real early. Then do a quick hex, and start nuking either one of em. My priest will also try and fear the healer when I do this.
Tatic vs that team...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
Wait for smoke bomb and use your round-robin t-storms. Purge the warrior and dk like you said and get DK to use AMS/AMZ (if unholy). DK is your best target as he has the least amount of defensive cooldowns. Keep the rogue hexed as much as you can and keep your grounding totems down. Switch to paladin for lava bursts to force bubble, wait for 7-9 shield stacks and then burst down either the dk or warrior (depending on what the warrior is doing)
Peaked @ 1748 today, stopped playing! Qued up later and dropped to 1668 :/ 2 points from the achievement sucks! But we'll get there :)
I was in the same boat... stones throw from 1700 and back down to 1560 after facing what felt like every possible spell cleave over and over. Melee teams aren't a huge problem unless they get a ton of control on me early and i can't down either the warrior or dk. Usually start with someone as a decoy target and focus target whatever i feel like killing and then blowing them up.
Very rarely will something live through the FS/UE/LVB combo. Once I get the moonwell chalice on Tuesday it'll be even more ridiculous.
Ive lost too many fights due to lack of dmg. Too many times my kill target has less then 5 k hp left after my kill rotation, so in 2 weeks I get the Ruthless dagger which will be a huge upgrade from the s9 mace. Cant wait to reach 2 k with this team :)
think 2k is possible?
I think 2 k is very possible, if me and my healer que at the right time we can farm 100-200 rating in 2-4 hours
ive been losing a few games, reached 1504 though, dropped from 1200 to 1135 in 3v3 though (3 ele), can you tell me your playstyle in 5v5 do you place totems then wait for them to come to you, or totem, spirit walker's grace and nuke one down
1130 Rating before i quit for the night, i think if i lose 2-3 games in a row ill quit it for a while from now on
I almost never play offensive, I place totems down and wait for their opening! I use spiritwalkers grace for when I hard switch to a healer which has used his defensive CDs. I usualy purge buffs from my kill targets when they open, then I try to do a perfect hex before using CDs to finish em off
For me, it depends on the map and the team I'm playing. Back in BC/WOTLK, the general strategy was to drop totems and wait for them to come to you. Mostly, due to tremor totems and so we could prevent getting sapped. I've gotten so used to this strategy that, for the most part, I stick with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by death
The only map I usually rush on/go really offensive is Ring of Valor. Mount, run in, immediately purge someone to get in combat (prevents sap) and then nuke to my hearts content. Ruins of Lord depends on how fast the other team makes it to the center ruin, if I can get around it before they can, then I'll go offensive. Nagrand is just LOS city, so it's almost always a park and wait. Sewers BEM is the same (getting a kill anywhere but on the bridge/center of the platform makes it way too easy for them to get a rezz off).
That said, I'm used to the waiting game. I like to make them fight me on my terms even though it allows them to get a bit of control on me at the start.
Edit: Keep in mind I'm 5 boxing too unlike you two so I have to really play cautiously.
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Originally Posted by Alemi
i can relate to that (in 3s) i do w/o a healer, currently getting my rating back to 1200 after a losing streak last nite, damn pally healers/rogues :(
Guys, could you tell me what you generally crit for with Lvb/LB/fulmination? I always thought it was nerfed really hard, untill i got a 24k Lvb on me from a full vicious shaman while I was wearing 4k resilience. You guys get the same numbers aswell when you pop trinket?
Sounds about right for me... I got a 48k crit yesterday w/out UE on a no resilience target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Littleburst
seen as low as (LvB) 24K seen as high as 42/52k. (fulm) 46k crit
On a non resilience target ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Littleburst
http://i55.tinypic.com/mab5w6.jpg
This was within a 4 seconds time frame, all procs up with double dps trinket and 15k spellpower. My LvB generally crits for 30k on full resilience.
Oh and btw, i just read this ...
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...s/ishamans.gif Shaman (Forums / Talent Calculator / Skills/Talents)
- Shamanism (Elemental passive) now causes Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, and Lava Burst spells to gain an additional 32% benefit from the shaman’s spell power, up from 20%.
Nerf to Moonwell Chalice is huge though, but it'll allow us to have a on use trinket back to back.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
nvm ; I