Mindless grind of none-elite trash mobs in one place until Blizzard turn off the servers.. and this is how you become the best boxer in the world? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
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Mindless grind of none-elite trash mobs in one place until Blizzard turn off the servers.. and this is how you become the best boxer in the world? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
Sam's not the best, Prepared is. Sam's just the BoXXoR RoXXoR; but even then his pool of accounts has been dwindling over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dancook
The first step is to get all to level 85, and ya it’s a mindless grind.
I could do AV with maybe 15 at a time which is a lot more fun, I’ll see during AV weekend.
I do plan to try raids as well but again the first step is to get all to 85 first. It is going to help to be GM of a full guild. If I find I can’t say off tank or heal or whatever I have 900 people to help or come up with a better strat.
Prepared and tons of others are still way ahead of me (I guess the most reasonable comparison is who can take down the strongest mob with their crew, and a level 83 mob is crap obviously, not even sure I can kill gammon yet) but I grow stronger daily.
Let’s see how mages / priests do as compared to the classes others have chosen when the time comes.
I think I can say though, absent SS to the contrary, that I am gaining exp faster than anyone in wow ever has (not counting granting raf levels doh) as there is really no other location in the game that I know of where the mobs respawn so fast and there are so many of them. That includes questing, instance boosting or whatever method. And that’s no small feat.
Ya well prepared is planning to move to the free GW2 from what I understand. Ya I went from 36 shaman (what an error) to 27 because at some point the cost of the accounts starts to wear on a person, so I just cut back to save costs. I look to the long term.
Ill check if the ledge on the other side which has a non agro spot is close enough (looks like 50 yards as a wild guess) to get exp, I hope so.
Sam. It has been 2 years since Cata came out and you're still not level 85. Yet, you are going to be level 85 in ~1 month before MoP comes out on all 27 toons?
I only have 5 accounts, yet I managed to level 25 (5x teams) to level 85 by playing casually (1-2 hours a night and a bit more on the weekend). You may play less than I do, perhaps not. If you do play more, I'd suggest analyzing you leveling strategies as they clearly aren't paying off.
I think it would be more cost effective to level 5-6 teams of 5 and doing account transfers rather than keeping 27+ accounts live for 2 years and still not reaching 85.
I was really hoping you'd reached max Level this expansion and show us some good videos. As in Wrath, I am disappointed.
I stoped exping for over a year, getting gold, saving fees, fixing computers, and running my guild, while taking care of RL stuffs. So although I was playing every day it was not on getting exp. Now I am getting exp. I figure I am getting over 1 million exp per hour on 4 guys (over 4 million total, and that is normal not rested exp!) (the tank/tagger is level 85). Another way to consider it is that I am losing 1 percent durability per 10 mintutes on the tank/tagger, not from dieing but just from being hit .....
I can do 4 mil xp/hour on 1 char 84-85 no sweat. Was boxing my 4 shams at 2.8mil xp/hour each 84-85 when I lvled them up ages agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
Edit: But... people at that spot you are at now, with a group of 5, were doing way over that
Thats just an estimate, I did max 2 million per hour just on my tank at one point. Well when they hit 83 Im going to try and stand on the thin part between the two platforms, thats where the maximum mobs will be. Were you able to stand there and kill all the repops?
Lets see its been like 40 hours to get 2 levels on 24 guys; about one level (81 ish) per hour on one guy average it seems.
At any rate ill be all 85 by Mop easy.
All talk no walk, thats the great sam deathtalker. in alot less than the time you've spent not getting to 85, you could have rafed a 5 man account to 80, taken the tank and boosted 4x9 of whatever class ya wanted to 80, then account transfered, and also saved money in the process, then done your crazy ass ineffecient tag boosting scheme. Hundreds of players have posted here over the years, only one levels your way and none but you levels as slowly. The surest sign of being bat shit crazy is repeatedly redoing something the same exact way multiple times and expecting the results to change, especially when they never do.
Love your maths.
I took 33 hours to boost 4 toons from 1-80, that's 6 minutes per toon per level.
e=MC3
What I wonder is if you are really serious when you make statements like this, or are you just trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
Lower levels take less time then higher levels.
We all know where the spot is, take yur crew and post a photo if you think you can kill mobs faster then I have/did.
Sure take 5 level 81 shaman there and kill mobs faster then 17 mages, right.
If you have a faster method to get from level 80 to level 85 lets see it, raf obviously is out.
If you can do it better then I can then lets see you can stand on the thin part between the two platforms, dont bring a bunch of level 85s is going to be there cause you dont get exp at level 85. Bring your level 85 boosters and some level 80 to 84s and lets see if you can keep them alive there for 1/2 hour. Post the SS then Ill believe you.
If you are questing show a few quests and what your exp per hour is, in the level 80-84 range.
I am sure all the readers of this forum are interested in the fastest way to get from 80 to 85.
Dude, I and countless others here have had multiple 5man teams at 85 for a looooong time. Hell, look at "he who is not to be mentioned". Not just alot of toons at 85....but geared also.
Its your money, you can do whatever you want with it. I just feal bad for you that you have the accounts but do absolutely nothing with the current content.......always playing catch-up to past content.
Friday Pro Tip of The Day:
Just upgrade to Panda on 5 accounts! Get at least 1 toon on each account to 90 before you upgrade more accounts.
If you dont follow this, then prepare for the same situation you are in now, but at the end of Mop.
Even us slow people went from 80-85 on a 5-man team in a casual week or two. Hell, my druids did it in about 1 week of a couple hours a night and a long weekend at the end, and that was doing every stinking collection quest in Cataclysm zones. 5 teams should have taken no more than a few months even doing it the slow way.
No ones going to be able to tell Sam anything he'll actually listen to, he came into WoW with claims he had the secret to how to be the best, and all hes delivered is excuses and shit for results. Tag grinding is the single shittiest way to level, if it wasn't he'd have 27 85's. In the time he's played he could have soloed 27 characters to 85.
Easier with multiple teams since you can be questing with one while the others are soaking up the 200% rested exp.
Its just really boring to do all the quests so many times.
Lets see the person who was first to level 85 didnt do it questing. And he did it my way a year after I posted on this forum about it:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/19496-Tag-Boosting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcD5rQJONV4
"I only have to tag"
"Outside Mob Tagging"
Each level 83 mob gives about 1200 non rested exp (with group bonus) to a group of one 85 and four level 81 or roughly about 5000 exp total, not considering rested. Pulls of 20 mobs are simple and the spawn rate is well Im going to time it.
If you have some actual math or SS and not "DeathWalker should be level ... by now" to support the contention that there is a faster method then mob tagging (as long as you have enough out of group helpers so that you can kill the mobs really fast) lets see it.
Ok 21 mobs on a easy 90 second repop/kill timer.
1200 exp per mob per level 82 in a 5 man group (with guild standard, with group bonus, without rested).
You can figure out which is faster with that infos.
Roughly that is about 4 million TOTAL exp per hour at level 82. If you have 4 guys getting exp that is 1 million per guy.
Are quests doing better then 4 million TOTAL exp per hour at level 82?
That guy who got to 85 first by tag boosting or w/e. Yea, that is the fastest way for a solo char, BUT, the guys doing the killing after he tags, they get no xp. And blizz have nerfed xp gained from killing mobs that your group has done little dmg to since then. If your group only does half the dmg, you get half the xp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
The first boxer to 85 was questing. 2nd, 3rd and 4th onwards were mainly questing. You are one of the only ones doing it by grinding, you are last. That is all the proof you should need.
I'll put it another way, I just levelled a character solo without RaF, it took me 3 days played time to get to 85, by questing. So, for your 27, it should take 27 chars x 3 days = 81 days played time total over all your chars. Go add them up and let me know how much over you are.
Yes those outside the group do not get exp that is true.
Any link to that. I do not think thats what I am seeing.Quote:
And blizz have nerfed xp gained from killing mobs that your group has done little dmg to since then. If your group only does half the dmg, you get half the xp.
At any rate the way around that is to have 5 in the tag group and have everyone else not in a group, thus no other "group (even though its a single character)" will do more then 1/2 the damage.
5 boxing with raf or without is the single fastest way to level, either questing or instance grinding with rested xp. Your way wastes time and xp that is stolen by the non-taggers who do the majority of the xp. Its like your riding a bicycle and everyone else is in a car, and your saying the bikes the fastest way to travel, but referencing 1880, not modern times. like i've said, hundreds of people have came through here and leveled faster than you, and yet you still make these baseless claims, saying screenshots or it didn't happen. Seriously your bat shit crazy if you think that 3-4 years after starting and your not max level on all accounts that your way is the best. other people max level a group of 5 in under a month, yet in all this time you can't max level 27. We've all given you advice, told you how to speed shit up and yet you claim we're all wrong and your just a misunderstood genius.
Have you ever set foot in an instance, grouped with others or done anything to actually enjoy this game besides just grind away and think how awesome your method is and how wrong we all are?
You do understand that the "non taggers" are also my characters so if they get exp its not "lost". The only loss is they might not get is the group bonus, and they might take the exp from those in the tag group who are rested but Each mob is worth about 5000 exp, what do I care to which particular toon it goes to.Quote:
Your way wastes time and xp that is stolen by the non-taggers who do the majority of the xp.
But they Dont kill steal much cause I tag with the main.
The first to 85 used my method. Did his "non taggers" steal his exp? Why not?
When you 5 box quest do you get more then 4 million exp total (counting all the exp recieved by all 5 toons, but no rest exp)?
Ok under your theory I will not make all 85 by mop ... so lets see what happens..
now I see why I double post, I refreash the page so I dont lose my posts .. let me see if I find a work around.
You can't get xp on 2 groups from the same mob, therefore the xp is lost. the first to 85 used "your" method before they nerfed it. FYI, people were using "your method" before you left Everquest to get world firsts, so not sure how its "your method". Its been nerfed, not that it needed to be to slow you down, you do that well enough on your own. You brag about your xp rate, but to be honest if your getting the xp you claim, why are you leveling so slow? 4m xp an hour, you should be doing 80-85 on 1 group every 2 days or so, or at least once a week, but either your taking forever to set up, dicking off in a city or not getting the xp you claim. Your trying to say "your method" produces world firsts, yet your results show "your method" post nerf produces world lasts.
Prepared (who's your self proclaimed competition for best boxxor roxxor) has more toons, more levels and better gear, and the answer as to why is simple, he works smarter not harder. Just because you can level your way doesn't mean its the best way. i could see if you were picking a method that included seeing more content, but instead your method bypasses all content and produces results that speak for themselves, but in a negative way. This game is awesome for the content, thats why most of us play, whether its to see all the dungeons, kill all the bosses, and be social or to push ourselves to solo content that takes a dedicated group to normally defeat. Why do you spend thousands of dollars on this game, if all you do is bypass the content? Why post here and get rebuffed over and over if you feel we aren't smart enough to understand just how awesome you are, and how wrong we all are?
If the mob gives 5K exp and I get 5K exp on group "A" instead of the tagging group I fail to see how anything is "lost". I do agree I dont see much content.Quote:
you can't get xp on 2 groups from the same mob, therefore the xp is lost. the first to 85 used "your" method before they nerfed it
Can someone link this "post nerf". I dont see anytime that my tagging group gets 1/2 experience, unless that group is always getting 1/2 experience which is still 4 million per hour.
Iv went from level 80 to 82 on 24 (and like 4 or 5 levels each on the lowbies) guys since Augest 10th, but I only play 3 maybe 4 hours a day tops. At that rate I will have no proble geting to 85 before MOP, but all were rested completly at the start.
All you have is conclusory statements and nothing supported by math, SS or even links. In fact you seem to agree that 4 million per hour is better then questing.
I was tag boosting in EQ1 when I started playing with more then 6 characters. Why would I not use extra fire power?
besides the fact it your leveling slower than shit? no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
All the proof is in the fact you've been playing WoW 5 years and haven't hit max level yet, in any of the expansions. Your math doesn't mean shit, all anyone has to do is check your levels. My math (we all know you love math) says you've spent over $20k just in monthly fees, to see no content, and sit in a corner tag boosting and leveling slower than anyone else in the history of WoW's multiboxing community. The resources to the reward ratio you have is beyond mind boggling. How many times have you rerolled because you messed up RAF?
Are you on a pve server?
Blizzard doesn't put these things in their patch notes or come out and say, "We didn't like the way people could power level themselves, so we changed it. Just letting everyone know!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
Any nerfs to such methods are done quietly in the background.
Im on a pvp server but no one bothers me anymore ....
Level Old XP Requirement New XP Requirement Newer XP Requirement Newest XP Requirement 1-9 Old Same Same Same 10-39? Old (-20%) (-20%) (-20%) 40-82 Old Same Same Same 82-83 4,004,000 2,669,000 (-33%) 2,669,000 (-33%) 2,669,000 (-33%) 83-84 5,203,400 3,469,000 (-33%) 3,469,000 (-33%) 3,469,000 (-33%) 84-85 9,165,100 4,583,000 (-50%) 4,583,000 (-50%) 4,583,000 (-50%) 85-86 10 million 15.5 million (+55%) 13 million (+30%) 13 million (+30%) 86-87 11.6 million 18 million (+55%) 18 million (+55%) 15.1 million (+30%) 87-88 14.6 million 22.6 million (+55%) 22.6 million (+55%) 19 million (+30%) 88-89 17.6 million 27.3 million (+55%) 27.3 million (+55%) 22.8 million (+30%) 89-90 21.2 million 32.8 million (+55%) 32.8 million (+55%) 27.6 million (+30%)
the experience required to level in beta has been tweaked again - if this goes live in the Patch 5.0.4 on August 28 - 1 hour max a lv. to 85
Yes, I told you, I was 4 boxing at 2.8mil xp/hour each, non-rested, 11.2mil xp/hour total, that's nearly 3 times quicker than youQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
No, what is lost is when your tagger group doesn't do much of the dmg, so instead of the tagger getting 5k for the mob, they get 2.5k xp, the other groups DO NOT get the rest of that, that xp is lost, foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
Edit: sry Mirai, forgot to multi quote
84 to 85 is gonna be fun on that spot :p
I'm almost thinking it's a brilliant plan, wait to level till the end of the expansion when the required xp gets nerfed.
Looks like I be working on trade skillz and flight paths until the 28th. Having no reason to doubt Valkry Ill toss in the towel on the questing being slower, although I will still be doing tag boosting as I hate questing. Well got to work on the 3 lowbies also seems. What level were your guys getting 2.8 million per hour at?
Well timing could not be better as except for the 3 lowbies all the crew is level 82 ....
Ok I have been using outside groups instead of singles not beliving this 1/2 exp nerf. Im going to ungroup everone cept the tagging group to make sure the tagging group has to do the most damage and see exactly what is up this morning.
Ok I made a group 2 mages 2 lowbies and 1 level 85 tagger. The two mages got 1342 exp per kill with all the outside helpers being ungrouped. Thus the taggers had to do the most damage as they had two mages in the group.
I then made an outside group of 5 mages that did not tag but were 100 percent sure to do the most damage. The two mages in the exp group got the exact same 1342 exp per kill ..... And the outside group did not get a single kill steal, the tagger group (consecration far away from the killers) got every kill.
I dont see this nerf. Let me get the one level 85 mage out of the area on the off change he is always doing the most damage. Same results, there is no nerf.
Ok I think what it is is that I have so many guys no group or single does more then 1/2 the damage to the mob. The taggers dont do 1/2 the damage but then again no one else, even 5 mages in a group does more then 1/2 of the total damage to any mob so I avoid the whole problem.
The way tagging works (worked) best in wow is that 1 lowbie is grouped with another lowbie, and both need to be within a certain level range of eachother and the mob, all other chars are outside of their group. It doesn't really matter how many other chars you have to kill off the mobs, as long as they are not groupped with the targgets. The problem is obviously that the lowbies need to survive tagging the mobs. So you either need to heal them / have mitigation or kill fast enough. Ualaa described this somewhere on the forum how he leveled this way in borean tundra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
You may have been able to quest at this rate for a short period of time but that number isn't possible multiboxing in Cata for long. Too many collections that you can't skip that really slow down the exp per hour. At the rate you quoted you would go 80-85 in about 6-7 hours... that isnt happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by valkry
Nope, only at 84-85 due to the quest rewards giving so much more xp than the first zones. I was in deepholm for about a third or so of my level, as those quests are sweet then off to the dwarf quests (up to but not including the wedding) in TH, CoC & eots weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by Truelle
I do it a bit different, I tag with a level 85 but I make sure the mobs are not grey to the level 85, even though the 85 is grouped with the lowbies they still get high exp for their level, as long as the mobs are not grey to the level 85. This way I get fast reliable tagging.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
I brought in a level one priest (to replace my single shaman, it takes a lot of extra time to write macros for another class) so now I have the tagger, 3 lowbies and a level 1. The lowbies actually are getting more exp with the level one added to the group as the group bonus went up ...
I did try it today i my 5 man mage group. 1 lv. 85 (ilv. 381,4) and 4 lv. 83 (ilv 249,5) all frost
the 4 83 have head and back herilom +15% exp
+ Rested Bonus
+ Group Bonus
+ Bonus from guild Perks (lv. 14) +20%
5 min. did give me 147.000 exp = 3% a lv. in Jamba
with questing you have to turn in around 2 quest every 5 min. in Twilight Highland (if I remeber right most quest give 55200+Bonus)
I hate this form for leveling - but if it goes down with almost 7 million exp. need - i´ll take that 2 hours it will take to get to 85 with my group. Not to have to set my feed in Twilight Highand again (5`th time) with all those collection quest will make me happy.
I haven't seen any mention this change yet, so I'm going to post it here.
Apparently, the Heirloom Bind-to-Account Legs that were datamined a long time ago are now being made available. You can see the information here
http://www.wowhead.com/guide=1070/gu...ts-of-pandaria
Now, I'm not sure if they are going to be released on Tuesday, August 28th with patch 5.0.4 or with MoP.
I am hoping they get released and are availalbe come this Tuesday, as that will make leveling new teams that much faster.
You learn flight paths automatically now as you level I just found out ... lol wasted time learning them.