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Originally Posted by ElectronDF
Who says everything posted has to be positive?
No worries, this topic is over for the most part. Blizzard is going to continue to sell stuff in the store, maybe even more often now and people will continue to buy it. /thread
Not mine but here is a hi rez shot (click twice)
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This topic was over the minute i saw that dog. and then had nightmares about it last night hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
For everyone who is ashamed as buying a mount, don't be. For everyone who is mad about blizzard selling them, go for it.
This is the nature of a free market system. Blizzard obviously would not have made this horse if they did not think there was a demand for it. Blizzard is going to do what's best for their bottom line. They want more money, so they sell a celestial steed. It's a win for Blizzard, and a win for whoever wants to buy the steed.
Whether they move on to selling other items is a bigger decision, one of "can selling items in game make up for the loss of money from cancelled subscriptions?" If there is more money in selling items in a virtual store, then obviously that is what Blizzard should do. But something tells me that alot of people would not find this attractive, and that is why Blizzard has not done it yet.
Blizzard is out to make money, not screw over people. You may feel like Blizzard is turning the game into one of those crappy free internet games where being geared means buying lots of items from an online store, and that is completely justified. But telling other people their idiots and condemning them for how they spend their money is very judgmental and irrational. Imagine a world where everyone bought the exact same things you did and nothing else.
So here are your options:
1) Buy the mount (you obviously want it; it's not being forced upon you. If you buy this mount, there's probably a good chance Blizzard will make more cool vanity goods, which is what you want. By buying this good, you are essentially telling Blizzard that you approve; you vote in favor of the steed and/or selling virtual items. This basically tells Blizzard that there is a market for this type of good, and that money is to be earned. While they are making money, you are provided with many more new vanity goods. So it's a win-win for Blizzard, they get money, and the consumer, you get cool new things).
2) Don't buy the mount (you don't like the mount, so you don't buy it. It's as simple as that. Blizzard can interpret this as a "no-vote" for either the mount and/or selling virtual goods. I am not going to buy the mount because I don't want to spend the money on the steed specifically. This doesn't mean that Blizzard is ignoring me, but rather that I am just in the minority of consumers.)
3. Quit playing WoW (you think selling this steed is the last straw when it comes to selling virtual goods, and nothing gets you more angry than those games with virtual stores. The choice here is very simple. If you do not like the product, then don't buy it. Remember, Blizzard is out to make money. If you quit, they are no longer getting your money. Therefore, if the majority of players do not want this type of system, which I suspect is true, Blizzard will not implement it, because they would lose lots of money. When you quit, you are basically telling Blizzard that you do not like their product. If the majority of people quit due to the creation of a virtual store, what would Blizzard do? They would obviously stop the virtual store because it has fallen out of favor with the majority of players in the market for MMOs, and Blizzard as a corporation would want to remain competitive in order to make the most money.)
What to take from this post: Blizzard wants money. In order to make the most money, Blizzard will follow the majority of players. If you think selling goods in a virtual store is wrong, then don't pay for Blizzard's product (noone is forcing you to buy it).
Ultimately, if you like it, that's great and you are probably with the majority of players. And if you don't like it, then that's fine too, I outlined your choices. The anger you're feeling is one of powerlessness; you feel that Blizzard is not listening to you even though you pay for their bills. Really Blizzard is listening to you, but you're just in the minority of players. It's like the old saying, "democracy works great, but only if my side wins."
Ya well Im all for them selling whatever they want, more money they make means they can hire more people to impove the game .....
This item though, although looking hot, Im satisfied with my frostwolf howlers and flying rug heh ....
I only laugh at anyone who bought one thinking that they'd be able to show off in Dalaran for a little while, only to find that there were already 15 people standing in front of the bank on their own store-bought mount. Other than that, I honestly don't care one way or another. I won't get one because I don't think that it's worth it, but if they'd made it a flying raptor I'd have plunked down $25 in a heartbeat...
As for selling gear, the problem with that isn't that people would quit in indignation. I think that a relative few people are even aware of what goes on via the website and forums and blogs and websites. And I also am pretty sure that most people who talk about quitting never do so, or return before their subscription time even expires. I think the problem is that you're helping players skip the content, and moving them through the game more quickly without any effort. Which means that they could actually get bored and quit because of that. Not because they were pissed about anything, but simply out of boredom.
Selling a see-through horse for $25 is just a way to make money. Selling a "Finish WOW with one click" button could actually hurt them in a pretty short time span.
And having multiple accounts with multiple Celestial Steed proves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Svpernova09
More RMT will surely come out after this and it will slowly destroy the balance of the game. Yes they do made money out of it. But average people who plays the game for $15 a month will slowly realize that they are spending too much and quit the game sooner or later. If free games with RMT model didn't last, what more with subscription based?
As long as there is no advantage (ie, it remains asthetic/visual toys) from the items, it won't impact the game that much.
If you could purchase, via a RMT, something better then you could get in the game, say a 330% mount in Cataclysm (when everyone else will have 310%), then suddenly you either need to spend extra on the game or be behind the curve.
I was hoping to see Prepared or Sam with their 32 - 36 mounts LOL
xD, i dont beleve they would spend that much, although it supports blizzard.
Well said Elektroz.
Felt like epic mounts are not epic anymore after this. I have no problems with people collecting mounts and buying this Celestial Steeds. I think people here who are against it is just trying to educate the community the negative side of supporting RMT's. As a boxer we are already helping the company by having multiple accounts as we enjoy the challenge from it. They are also milking us from character/server change services and soon the expansion. I think supporting RMT's such as this is too much for us boxers. It's true that this are only aesthetics but for some people it matters. People worked hard to have epic mounts like from rare boss drops and reputations only to find out that you can just buy a better looking one. I will not be surprise if Blizzard starts on selling stat boost potions since RMT through aesthetics works. Once you fall for RMT addiction it will be hard to get out.
Lil'XT is also annoying and it forces you to push the mute button.
I don't ever see Blizzard selling items which will provide an unfair advantage in the game. Why would they go that route after over 5 years of having a solid game without it? They would lose so much of their player base it wouldn't even be funny. They haven't had the top MMORPG for the past 5 years because they've been "doing it wrong". So what they sell stupid little pets and now a mount, both which don't affect actual gameplay what-so-ever. Does everyone here honestly believe that Blizzard could keep their player base by selling in game epics and tier armor to the person willing to pay the highest? You're all insane.
The Celestial Steed was released to pay for Cataclysm server upgrades. :)
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/13200...lil-xt-sounds/Quote:
Originally Posted by Diw;273828a
Agreed. The day they sell gold, items, levels, exp, etc... I will stop playing. Until then, kudos for Blizzard for finding ways to supplement their income without affecting the game in any tangible way for the standard subscription players. Anyone who thinks this is the beginning of the end and all but solidifies official gold selling needs to take their tinfoil hats off and put their guns back in the closet :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenril
Well, the Lil' XT is, without doubt, the most annoying pet eve....no, the most annoying anything ever introduced into the game, forcing me to mute sound in Org recently. But hey, it'll be patched tonight so it'll be banished - just poor testing on Blizz' part.
The Celestial Steed I went for, buying 5 of them for my team. To me the biggest selling point was finally having a single mount that was both land and air - finally a mount I can just set and forget.
Such as? That's like lunch for one day, maybe 2 magazines, 1 dvd or 1 cd purchase. $25 is not a lot of money and is essentially pocket change for minor purchases, there is nothing else you can spend it on that will change your life in a meaningful way that makes buying the steed any less pragmatic a use of it than any other option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
In regards to the steed, I brought 1 + the 3 pets (would have brought the 2 plushies as well but wind-rider is out of stock atm) and have no issue with Blizzard selling meaningless items such as that but the moment they put weapons, armour, potions, or any other form of character upgrade up for sale is the moment I cancel all my accounts and am done with WoW and I'm sure they understand that just about anyone feels the same way whether they support things like the steed or not.
25$ can feed a person for weeks in lesser developed countries, so if your own life is full of lush and luxury then why not help someone else out? I'm sure it will help them in a meaningful way. Or you know, you can have a sparkly digital horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knytestorme
I don't think many of us, if any, are multi-boxing in third world countries. And since to me this concept (The same as 'Eat your dinner; There are starving kids in Africa') is pretty laughable I'll quote good ole' Stephen Colbert:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphaw
"Class is a way of categorizing people based off of how much money they're willing to earn."
So you'll be cancelling all your extra accounts and diverting the money to needy causes in the 3rd world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphaw
With all due respect to someone else using this site, your argument is completely facile.
Dude common. That was a pretty far fetched comment :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Seraphaw
I'm glad you feel that way towards the undeveloped countries but I think people can do what ever they like with their $$$. If it makes you happy buying a pet and a horse in wow, go ahead. If it makes you happy to donate money to charity, go ahead.
If wow ever degrades to players being able to buy improvements, i'm probably going to ditch the game.
I think this was fairly obvious but I guess I should point out that I was joking. I like to call it cynical sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzPhoenix
Anyway carry on sir.
Really, 11 pages on this? It's eclipsed the class changes at this point. I fear the day they decide to let you pay for vanity armor like EQ2 does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thread
Vanity armor? you mean like chainmail bikini's for all my pally chicks? COOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Khatovar
Please buy more mounts. I have a boatload of ATVI to sell.
I've changed my mind and don't actually mind them selling mounts too much. I lol when I see a lvl 80 running with the horsey in vanilla, and then I overtake them with crusader aura.
Because if I were going to help someone out it would be someone in my own country first, and I pay taxes so I don't do charity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphaw
That's by-the-by though, as giving $25 to charity still isn't a pragmatic use of the money since it isn't a more practical use of $25 than buying the steed in the case a person has $25 to spend on any extraneous consumption and I would argue that, when taking into account utility of enjoyment and the properties of transativity, the $25 being spent on the steed is a much more practical use of it to me than giving it to some charity to be wasted on "administrative fees"
So.. it does the exact same thing as the mounts I already have, and it's not even cool or original since half the server has one now.
And Lil'XT - the most irritating thing since the train set. I see people dismissing their own pets because it's annoying them (and everyone else). Of course, I did get the Lil'KT pets when they came out though, for one reason: the original kel'thuzad death laugh every time I kill someone in PVP... that's actually fun.
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
i lol'd about the charity. Since we talked about third world countries here and I came from one of them. $25 in our country is equivalent to one 18 year old prostitute who needs that additional $25 for her college tuition fee. So if you bought 5 Steeds for $125 then you exchange it for 5 days of pleasure. That is if you're in to that. :D
Odd that people complain about vanity mounts, but not RAF. :confused:
I'm not sure what you mean by this. My epic mounts do not move any slower as a result of someone else buying a crystal horse for $25 cash. Blizzard did not refund the thousands of gold I paid for my riding skills on any of my characters when they lowered the costs for them. That didn't make my mounts any slower either. And my raptors and dragons are still as cool as they were the day I got them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diwa
The only understandable concern I have seen is that some are afraid that it will lead to the selling of progression gear at some point. I think that would be a bad idea, but I don't see Blizzard doing that any time soon, if at all.Quote:
I have no problems with people collecting mounts and buying this Celestial Steeds. I think people here who are against it is just trying to educate the community the negative side of supporting RMT's.
The rest of the complaints I've seen about it amount to opinionated doomsaying ("this is the downfall of WOW") and jealousy-fueled rants ("If u bought it u are stupid and pathetic"). This isn't really a big deal. Then again, on the Blizzard forums this sort of thing is good for literally tens of thousands of posts over the next week or two. I think the next big money-maker for Blizzard will be charging a fee of 5 cents to post on the forum, chargeable to your account. They'll make millions just off of the posts from people complaining about it. :D
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Originally Posted by Fat Tire
Same can be said for Multi-boxing.
Now I am not out to bash Fat Tire as he/she is a fellow multiboxer and alot better at it than I am for sure. I understand where they are coming from but this quote pretty much sums up all the stuff that was in trade chat, though in much friendlier text.
Call it educating, helping them see how stupid they are, whatever you want but the fact is when I see stuff like this I feel sorry for the individual who is "calling others stupid". Especially when they are in such a glass house themselves.
The stuff about "you could have given that money to charity" was also there but when its coming from a poster on the message boards from a level 80 it really starts to negate the value of the statement.
I just don't understand.
We are multiboxers and as such are, or should be, used to others reacting with with disdain and as such hopefully more respective of others with play styles different than our own.
It happens all the time, but from other multiboxers? Really?
Pot and Kettle.
As far as it ruining the game because now Blizz is going to start selling off items and other such stuff... Blizz is going to ruin it or not ruin it regardless of our input or lack of it, actions or lack thereof. They are a business and that's the bottom line.
Lineage I loved but its economy eventually got ruined. I left as alot of people did but they are, still there, still picking up new players. Not like they were at one point but they didn't die by opening their doors to a bad in game economy.
I guess what upsets me is instead of harping on other players for not having the play values, why don't these people use their time to actually do something that might have an effect and put their passionate speeches in letters to Blizzard instead of harping to those who really don't care to be nagged at.
I purchased 5 of these mounts and the pets for two reasons:
1. They go to every character I make on those accounts from now on and ...
2. I mainly did it to annoy the crap out of those people who were screaming at other people who just wanted to enjoy something new.
I am not mad that someone doesn't like the actions of others, even when those actions don't hurt anyone. I am upset that they are so short sighted that they think constant bickering, name calling and bad insults are going to change the values of those they are screaming at.
I mean seriously? Are you joking? You're crying all the time. What makes you think I want to enjoy the game the same way you do...I'll just end up whining all the time like you.
I was under the impression most multiboxers knew better but I guess that was my own shortsightedness.
Its a game you pay to play, enjoy it however you want and to hell with what others think until they are paying your bill.
Luv's
~Aes
I'm glad we have a new person here that understands this. You're welcome to stick around for the show...don't let the flamers and forum trolls turn you away from this community! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesthier
Well it's complicated but here's the up and down of it: When you can spend money on taking a woman out but you don't and THEN YOU SHOW HER YOUR MULTIBOXING SETUP. She'll go nuts and hump your multiple screens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knytestorme
Money saved.
This happens to me on a weekly basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphaw
If only that worked on my wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphaw
I haven't bothered to read most here, but i guess this hasn't been posted yet.
Greedygoblin posted an interesting post about the mount:
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/201...pid-horse.htmlQuote:
No, I won't write about the horse. I wrote everything about it when the equally useless pets were sold. I wouldn't waste another bit on it unless almost everyone on my bloglist wouldn't write about them. There are so many posts that I can't link them unless I make a 2 pages long list and miss half of them.
So the question is: why do bloggers (mostly intelligent people) care if Blizzard rip off kids and idiots? The money and the dumb will be separated, period. OK, RMT was a new thing in WoW with the lich pet, worth discussing once. But why again? Why bloggers create megabytes of QQ about it?
Because even in the most intelligent people there is a little piece of social. And it hurts socials bad if the Joneses have something they can't afford. And none of us can afford a celestial horse, not because of the 25$ to pay, but because we know it's stupid. If you buy it, you feel stupid for wasting money for an imaginary horse, if you don't buy it, you feel bad because the Joneses have it.
The only solution for a social is decrease the item's social value: "only stupid kids have it". This way it's no longer something that the Joneses have, it's something like fleas or dirt on the clothes: "shame on the Joneses for having it!"
While this is the most advanced thing a social can reach, I'd suggest a much simpler solution: don't care about it, or at least act like it. Don't post about it, don't inspect the owner, don't click on blogposts talking about it! The sparkling pony changes your gameplay exactly like Samantha Swifthoof. She is in the game, but no one ever mentions her.
I guess if Blizzard would announce a Samantha Swifthoof companion, the socials would swarm to grind for her or pay $25. Good for Blizzard!
PS: and please stop writing "Blizzard is evil for X". Blizzard acts completely automatically, responding to customer requests. Blaming Blizzard is like blaming the knife for stabbing. Blame the guy who held the knife, blame the customers!
This thread has run it's course. Lets all remember, one of the rules for this community it to comply with the ToS/EULA with the respective games. If you want to do things outside of the ToS / EULA of a particular game, that's fine. Talk about it elsewhere. Frankly, I don't really care but this rule is in place to ensure the multiboxing community isn't looked at negatively.