This is just silly, anyone could do this with only 2 accounts. It's not up to any community to jugde anyone even with "facts", blizzard hasn't banned Prepared yet and that's all that matters.
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This is just silly, anyone could do this with only 2 accounts. It's not up to any community to jugde anyone even with "facts", blizzard hasn't banned Prepared yet and that's all that matters.
Question: Why is everyone playing detective?
Answer: Because it's a sexy job...
Solution: Blizzard has all means to sort this out, if they aren't capable, well noone here will be...
Question: Has anyone here had a similar "flaming" experience in some forum due to the fact that he/she is multiboxing?
Answer: Most likely, yes...
Solution: Quit multiboxing if it bothers you or just get used to it. Also, if you see a mbxer being accused, think twice about stuff that already happened to you...
Question: Is it fair to point the finger at Prepared or anyone else if not even Blizzard is capable of doing whatsoever?
Answer: No (easy one)
Solution: Flame/accuse when decision comes from Blizzard. It's not even that he's innocent, there's not even imo anything suspicious going on.
Question: Why am I doing this?
Answer: Well, got a bit tired of this forum turning (a minority of people so far gladly) to be a place of menace, censorship, bad mood/behavior, etc... I haven't been around for too long, just a bit over an year, but I've surely seen better days here...
Solution: Stop coming here. I often just stop my urge to post replies even to help other people, seen it misunderstood too often. I already have a lot of trouble with multiboxers' haters, I really prefer to keep out of multiboxer v multiboxer hate.
I'm still very fond of some of the people here and I just talk to them directly. I really see a lot of intelligent writing around too and it's awesome to read something smart. That's why I won't stop coming here.
I consider myself the ambassador of myself not the proud representative of anything... My guild is called "Is multiboxing" so that people just stop asking me "WTF is that *^*^* cheater????!!!!" (it didn't work as intended btw...). If we're the image of multiboxing, it also means that single boxing players (like 99.999%) are the representatives of themselves and that a bad experience with one will mean all the others are bad... Armaggedon day is coming to wow... My ignore list is just full due to players showing humanly standard stupid behavior towards me or someone else that I've witnessed.
Oh by the way, witness is the good word here. If you haven't witnessed the event you have no authority to make any statement whatsoever, if you have no proof of anything you shouldn't accuse.
I just don't want to turn this into a geopolitical post but just think of how many ugly wars started recently based on rumours that (oh surprise) turned out to be complete lies.
I've been accused of all sorts of things since I box. I just don't give a damn, I know what I do and I know I do it according the established rules.
Have a nice day all, just play the game as you like it best and play by the book or just assume consequences. Whatever the pick, it's just that person's business.
damn thats sucky ..... gives boxers a bad name .. spend a lot of time convincing people im not cheating just a diff way to play .. he will regret it if he gets a ban ... but im not sure blizz would ban him tbh .. i mean thay would be loseing the income from 40 accounts .. but who knows .. will be intresting to see what blizz do to stop this
Do people even read topics nowadays?
There's two faces to the story..
I hate nerd on nerd violence. This is why the jocks always get the girls, because we fight over World of Warcraft.
Who trolls more, the trolls or the trolls who follow? My vote goes to Sam, largely because its been pointed out so many times he has no idea what he's talking about, followed by his confrontational nature and telling people they are wrong based on said ignorance. At that point, you're more or less in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If you call him on his BS, you're a Sam-hater, and if you do nothing, you condone his behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193491#post 193491
i'd rather condone his behavior and ignore it, than see 10 other people post hate threads.
but again, back to the OT.
I figure, as in most situations involving two parties, the truth lies somewhere in between.
I've been thinking about it (and I'm assuming that the six characters on the alliance side are Prepared's until he says otherwise), if he was shouting instructions from his horde characters to his fellow horde battlegrounders his key relaying would send that yell to the alliance characters also. So from an alliance point of view, you see alliance characters yelling "west side of the base" and all of a sudden you have a bunch of horde there. So it might look like he was giving information the other way.
Now on to the turret issue - I've not done wintergrasps so don't know how spaced out the turrets are, but does it seem possible that a multiboxer could get and take all the turrets before solo controlled characters could. He might get one of them but in the same time I'm sure the other players could grab the rest.
Likewise with the tanks.
So in that respect I'm questioning the original accusations.
Now, if those alliance characters are Prepareds all he is guilty of is battleground AFK'ing (which i don't condone), but let's face it other multiboxers have done that in the past.
Either way I do think that prepared might find his accounts under a lot more scrutiny from now on.
Is it even possible to afk farm WG. I was under the impression you had to participate in some odd 20-30 HK's before you got anything from that battle. And with very few people being willing to party with prepared at that point would he just have to go... kill himself?
You can easily AFK farm WG for marks and some honor, you just get greater returns (Dailies and HKs) from actually participatingQuote:
Originally Posted by 'genocyde',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193563#pos t193563
Interesting comment. Your IQ must be pretty high. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193514#post 193514
The general chat would only go to all windows if PAUSE was not on during that time.
However, a multiboxer cannot take all of the turrets (I call them cannons because that's what it says when highlighting them in the game) and the reason is because of the problem of right clicking in multiple windows on either Windows XP or Windows Vista. If the multiboxer had separate computers for each account and used full screen, it probably could be done but that would be very expensive just to break the rules and possibly get a warning or ban. There are usually players around the cannons at the start of the defense unless the portal is not up for the defensive side.
In any case, here is part of a conversation I've had with a GM two days ago when players submitted their reports from the original post that did not tell the truth in the Customer Support forums:
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So all of the discussion about stop doing whatever it is that I was reported for doing is a moot point because as it clearly shows, I can bring in opposite faction characters and multibox them in Wintergrasp as long as I do not hold any cannons or vehicles. Given that players dreamed that up because they were losing 80% of the Wintergrasp battles in my realm, clarification here shows no action will be taken against me and that I'm free to bring in any amount of characters on either side faction as long as I don't hold vehicles or cannons. Any further questions about this matter?
This is inaccurate - I control 5 turrets every day in "Shoot em Up - For the Horde!" out in icecrown. Utilizing the mouse broadcast in Innerspace I can easily control all 5 mice in a realtime broadcast, it's beautiful to see syncronized cannons rotating and obliterating targets left and right.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193596#pos t193596
That said, thanks for clearing things up, the GM SS's are priceless as well.
Fur your bias is so obvious it taints everything you say.
Most resonable people look at the facts then make conclsions based upon those facts.
You decide that Prepared is wrong before you read anything and then look for facts to support yur position.
We have a GM ss ending the situation, speculation on what he did or didn't do is meaningless, even if he did it who cares ... the rulz have been clarified and he will be playing within the rulz in the future. As if an allience 2 boxer hasnt taken a horde turrent ever lol ....
You know that instance boosting isn't working "as intended" yet you would recomend others to instance boost or do so yourself. Is that fair?
/offtopic
Sorry I'm late to the Samjacked thread. The crap has been removed. Continue valid discussion.
I come late to this post after a long week of internet-less home remodeling, but I do have one thing to emphasize...
While you are somewhat true (Different account names does not imply that you are account sharing, though account sharers will typically have different account names), there IS a problem with using alternate, false, or non-legal names on your accounts, as KvdM pointed out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Prepared
(emphasis mine)Quote:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html
"Establishing an Account.
Prior to (or in lieu of) creating a user account on the Service (a "WoW Account"), or using an existing WoW Account, you may be required to establish a separate account (a "Blizzard Account") on Blizzard’s centralized account system. When creating these accounts, you may be required to provide Blizzard with certain personal information, financial information and an unused Authentication Key provided to you by Blizzard. You agree that you will supply accurate information to Blizzard when requested, and that you will update that information promptly after it changes."
False names are still a ToU violation, and while some have found Blizzard to be relatively benevolent in their dealings with accidental or non-accidental missteps in this policy (allowing "Santa Claus" to be changed to the correct legal name), it is by no means a guarantee that you're absolved from having to follow or from reaping any repercussions from that ToU violation.
So Fat Tire is somewhat correct -- in the case of having to prove ownership of your account, a fake name isn't going to cut it. However, he's mistaken in that "you are fine if you just made a name up". In the case of some quite-obvious false account names, people were able to get the issue resolved and the names updated to their own. However, if one cop lets you off without a speeding ticket, it doesn't mean that the next will or that it's OK to speed at all times.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fat Tire',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193101#post1931 01
Just a clarification, since I think the issue was skimmed over without solid resolution. I can't say to whether Prepared has or hasn't done in WG, as I (and pretty much none of us) were there when it happened, but I can say that having different names on your account is certainly not "fine" and I'd suggest querying Blizzard to see if they'll let you update those names properly (as you're required to do from the ToU agreement) to the correct information before you end up in a spot where you'll actually have to work to prove your ownership of those accounts.
He was accused of two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193615#po st193615
1. Using the cannons with 6 alliance toons and therefore preventing other people from using them.
2. Monitoring the other faction's movements and strategy and relaying them into his own faction, thereby giving espionage-like advantage.
The GM SS has shown that #2 is okay, and you don't have to be Prepared to be able to do it. Even if you only have 1 account and your friend plays on the other faction, this is still possible.
For #1, presumably that when the conversation in the SS happened, he was being investigated if he did #1 or not. I am also going to assume that he didn't do it because he is not banned yet. Thus, the question whether all 6 alliance toons belong to him is irrelevant.
Ahhh....it was moved.
No, you're too pigheaded to understand that your defense of the behavior being discussed in this thread should warrant you being banned from these forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193617#p ost193617
Whether or not Prepared is the one who was doing this isn't what people are pissed at you for. You want to encourage this sort of behavior even though it involves throwing a match (which is enough for a ban anywhere, IMO).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193617#p ost193617
Mostly, people are deciding that YOU are wrong. Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193617#p ost193617
The issue in this thread was NEVER the clarity of WoW's rules for Wintergrasp. The problem we ran into is that you, once again, decided to take the wrong side in a ToS compliance issue. Generally, that would get any other person here banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193617#p ost193617
Instance boosting isn't throwing a PvP match. We're not talking about instance boosting, either. We're talking about intentionally using alts to wreck other's ability to PvP. When does instance boosting compare to sabotaging PvP in order to force a loss for your own side?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193617#p ost193617
You're not going to fool anyone into thinking you're not uneven in your moderation efforts just by removing posts in which a certain member of the community repeatedly violates our CoC in more ways than pretty much anyone I've ever encountered. Why is it that you left his post up just before yours. It seems as though you're allowing some people to get away with some things and others are just SoL.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Svpernova09',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193648# post193648
Bas, no offense, but why don't you post your blatant personal attack and post dissection in the *other* thread, the one tagged samjacked or whatever.
this current topic is not about sam, it's about Prepared and his possible off-play in some WG games.
Posts like yours not only derail the topics, but also put the focus on Sam (who will most probably reply to a personal attack) when what you want (and many others possibly) is to not have sam reply.
just ignore him already if you don't like him, that message you dissected was mostly about how Fur responded to Prepared, not about Sam. sigh.
[edit]And regarding the moderation from supernova, i think he did a great job, as he removed the insulting and derailed topics, not those that are actually ON topic.
(i'll delete this message if i see the above messages moved)
It's locked. And besides, there seems to be some confusion from a specific member of the community who has been allowed to violate dual-boxing.com CoC in the past. He's doing it again. Whether or not this member's posting activity here is a problem directly relates to the issue of this gameplay from Wintergrasp. It's on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56
EDIT: While I'm here, I'll point out that, although being a blatant attack, this is NOT personal. I don't have personal issues with DoucheWanker since I do my best to avoid him. His behavior here shouldn't be tolerated, but it is nonetheless. Anyone who would defend the actions discussed in this thread should be attacked by the Mods, not just me.
When has it ever been said that Sam can't reply? If he wants to reply, then let him! My problem isn't with his posting abilities, it's with the WAY HE USES THEM. He's used this thread to justify bad behavior and even after a ruling came in, he still goes off on his nutjob rants. This is just a repeat of the Mouseconner debacle. Again, this is ALL ON POINT.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56
Sam ignored the issue at hand. He's getting nasty responses because his behavior regarding the gameplay in Wintergrasp is atrocious. Again, THAT WAS ON TOPIC IN THIS THREAD. We're still discussing the gameplay which started this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56
I'm not saying moving the posts was wrong. I'm saying that it just covered up the REAL discussion in this thread. Someone here just doesn't get that certain behavior is not permitted in WoW and started the thread off with "it's not illegal, blah blah blah." Just to make sure no one can construe what I'm saying here as being off-topic, I"ll keep up with the vein of discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56
Intentionally throwing a PvP match of any sort to favor your faction by controlling characters on the other team has always been against WoW's policies. There is a member of dual-boxing.com that refuses to acknowledge this and wanted to argue that nothing wrong has gone on. This should be a perma-ban as per the dual-boxing.com CoC. This is similar to win-trading and other things like it.
There. Is everyone happy now?
Intentionally throwing a PvP match of any sort to favor your faction by controlling characters on the other team has always been against WoW's policies indeed.
however playing toons on both side of the faction fence is ok in Blizzards books. check the screenshots of the GM conversation by prepared.
Sam was just asking that i believe, IS it illegal to have toons (on obviously other accounts) play on alliance side when you have some on horde side. To which prepared/gm responded it's ok.
He was also asking about 'more serious stuff' regarding blocking turrets/cannons, or vehicles, for which no proof was in the accusing early screenshots.
ow and (as i see it) calling someone douchewanker, although it's remotely entertaining, is still is a personal attack. along with making full walls of text in several threads trying to show how evil said douchewanker is.
I wasn't debating that. Sam started this thread off saying that nothing illegal occurred. Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82
Again, not debating that. The only aspect of the accused behavior I'm concerned with is the throwing of the match.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82
Again, not debating that. This is just Sam's typical pattern of behavior (i.e. make statements that violate our forum's CoC, get called on it, and completely turn things around after that).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82
I'm not attacking him regarding personal issues. I'm attacking him based on his documented behavior. I haven't made any walls of text. I have responded to my detractors and their commentary in an organized manner. Evil doesn't come into play, but our CoC does.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82
Why it no one will deal with actual problems and would rather focus on a couple of people who are calling out bad behavior?
i guess i should have said wall of quotes instead of wall of text.
so, i'm lost now, regarding the original topic at hand, what is it you are debating?
I'll keep my sam-related answers to the other topic.
FFS Guys, drop the Sambash and move on with the OT if there's still an OT to discus.
The topic in this thread is the behavior of some multiboxer in Lake Wintergrasp. It is a violation of WoW's PvP policies. And I'm not debating anything since no one will counter me with arguments. I'm not even sure if anyone disagrees with anything I'm saying since they won't address it. My commentary in this thread has been about how this activity (the WG gameplay) is not at all acceptable. Some people didn't think so and continue to defend those that knowingly violated the PvP policies. I'm trying to make sure people know that such a playstyle is invalid, regardless of the opinions of one person here.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193787#post1937 87
I'm also calling attention to the fact that people have been banned for less from this website. Normally, I don't do this. This isn't the first time such a person has been allowed to endorse such ToS violations without any consequence.
Funny you would say that, but the GM thinks it's alright.
And prepared (as far as i know) is not banned yet.
maybe the original accusator of the wow forums was full of shit?
I've pointed out several times in my most recent posts that everything I've had to say is directly on topic. For example: The method of throwing a Wintergrasp match in order to benefit your faction by intentionally ruining the other team by controlling it with the purpose of sabotage is unacceptable. Some people have expressed a different opinion and despite of recent commentary by Blizzard, apparently hold this opinion still. We as a community should not tolerate this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193792#post 193792
I'm not going to comment on prepared. I'm solely concerned with the aspect of throwing a PvP match. Even if the original accusation is bull (which it very well may be) the behavior is still not permissible. Some of us are having a hard time with that concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193795#post1937 95
i think pretty much everyone agreed that afking in turrets or vehicles for the other side to win was not something to do, and that it has nothing to do with multi-boxing as any 'sister' guild could do it without boxing.
Just like sending fake warnings in trade or whatever.
Good to see everyone agrees on something.
I've overlooked this aspect of the accusation. It has been pointed out by others, but glossed over, that ANYONE could do this stuff and not just a multiboxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193809#post1938 09
I'd like to see a blue post about that because it seems a very very slippery slope - if it's ok in WG is it ok in WSG too ? so I can queue up 6 afk dummies in WSG to ensure I win on the other side ? how could that possibly be "ok" - I think the GM will find himself in hot waters pretty soon - unless the post is carefuly missing important parts of the dialog (or is fabricated)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82
I used to respect Prepared for the tremendous accomplishment of getting so many toons so fast to 70 (and now 80) but now I think I see another side; basically just gaming the system - it's not fairplay... even if 1 GM allegedly says it's ok
ahem, how could anyone but a boxer do this on a pvp server ? the only way to have ally and horde on pvp is to have more than 1 account; which I think is the definition of boxing ? ("manual" boxing even if you don't broadcast keys, etc...)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Basilikos',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193819#po st193819
to answer your two posts with *my* understanding of the situation:
- it's ok to have toons on both sides, as long as they are not throwing the game either side, for example Alliance toons helping Horde win.
In the case of 6 shammies doing nothing in WSG (and possibly WG) i would think this is bannable through the 'not taking part' argument, which i'm sure some others will clearly explain.
Basically you make the experience bad for other players, and blizz doesnt like that.
- You do not have to be a boxer to do this, you merely need to have a friend who plays on the other faction.
Very easy to do on PVE servers, where many players have alts on both sides, a bit more difficult on PVP servers, but still alot of guilds have sister/friend guilds.
All in all, it's not important that it's 'easier' to do as a boxer (why spread toons on either side of the faction wall though?) it's that it's doable by non-boxers.
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Originally Posted by 'Basilikos',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193794#po st193794
If you think someone is violating the CoC, then report the post, and state exactly why you think they have violated the CoC. It takes a few minutes - and all reported posts are reviewed, and actioned where appropriate.
Which people have been banned for less? Bans are handed out only in severe cases, and usally after multiple warnings. If you're going to make a big call like that, back it up with facts please - otherwise you're just trolling (which is against the CoC - oh the irony!).
Locking the thread.
Cheers,
Stealthymod