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Hey, question
I'm just trying to clarify one thing: Are you making 5? new Paladins to go along with your teams so that you can do the instance bosses in sync, as Keyclone has mentioned?
Im going to try his idea at level 32 when I can tag without a Pal (chain lightniing, not perfect but 5 /targetenemy CL should hit most of the mobs in the proximity). But I will also try with a Pal in one instance now and see whats up (with the others not tagging in other instances just to test it out), maybe it is the way to go. I like the idea a lot. But then what can I do with 5 mellee and 21 shaman later ... well maybe mages if they get aoe at level 20, just anything that will do some actual aoe damage. I mean as some shaman is doing dps all the time, subbing in mages for dps (well 5 anyway) dosnt seem that dumb. Of couse they would not be taren.
Wow, Rob, that idea for the concurrent instance grinding has to be the single most original thought I've seen in a long time!
Only thing to worry about is mobs that run and facing, but I bet if you prestage all your tanks (pallys) to back into a corner, then you don't have to worry about the mobs getting behind you. Also, if you can keep an eye out for when to throw a frost nova or earthbind totem or other such limited cc spells, it might not be so bad.
Take a look at my guild in my signature. All those characters are mine, with 10 accounts between them, but I could easily have a 26 man team setup from this. I started boxing for real when I registered on this site. I had a few characters from before, but 75% of those are new characters since a few months ago. I never level more than 5 at once because I want the gold and reputation and general feeling of having REAL characters. Meaning, I want to feel that when I play a guy by himself for some reason that this character is a normal character and not some multibox slapped-together gimp. Leveling from 1-60 is extremely quick and easy with 5 at a time doing RAF questing.
Here are my leveling rates for 5 hours played per night for 5 toons at once: 1-60 takes 5 nights of work. 60-70 takes 7 nights. 70-80 takes 25 nights. This includes questing almost every quest I can do and taking the time to mine and herb and skin and whatnot. At this rate, I would have 25 fully featured characters from 1-80 in 210 nights. This is not a rough estimate, but almost like clockwork for how I play the game. It's been very consistent for me. In the past 32 days or so, I got one team from 1-65 and now my main team will hit 80 tonight. I even took two days just to level professions! Anyway, think 200-210 nights for 25 characters to 80. That's not bad at all, considering how some people on this site have quit the game over even going from 70-71.
Sam, you really ought to work on a smaller scale and then combine it later on. REALLY.
Yea, I agree. That's a great idea and probably the best way to level up multiple groups at the same time. It would be pretty amazing to watch too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Aethon',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158444#post1 58444
PS: this thread (and others like it) freaking rocks on so many levels :D
Ok so 1000 hours for yur full crew.Quote:
I would have 25 fully featured characters from 1-80 in 210 nights.
Thats like 40 days played, which is about 1/10th of the time I put into my eq guys ....
I to am anxous to try Robs idea. Give me about 3 days (I wont get any exp cept in 1 instance, as all shamans have no real way to do non totem aoe damage at level 22, but the mobs will all die and it will be good enough to test the theroy).
I don't quite follow you with these statements. But an FYI, Octopus does what Keyclone does. They compete with each other. They both broadcast keys and mouse. I use one keyboard for full 100% control of one character while the keys goes to all of my other screens. Not sure what you mean by 'I am the only person who can broadcast a single ui to 5 other computers and 25 other characters'. I use only Octopus which does what Keyclone does, it sends the keys to the other instances of WoW. So I believe I'm doing the same thing you're doing which is what everyone else on these forums are doing, they control one screen (i.e. one character but sends the keys over to the other instances of WoW to do casting, healing, etc.) and multibox. The only difference between what we're doing and most others on here is that we have more wow instances, but the concept is identical.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158061#p ost158061
I'm using the default UI and 3 addons. ClassIcons, CT_MapMod and SSPVP3. I find that is all I need for what I'm doing. However, I'm heavily using in-game macros with just about every cast and other things such as forming groups, rezing, trading etc. I'm a firm believer in the lighter the client, the better game play. With my configuration, I see no lag except if I put down all totems and then it's only a little noticeable difference.
I'm not working on any professions at all right now. Am not planning on working on professions until all characters hit level 80. Then will only focus on a few characters which need to get above 375 in each profession. It's taking awhile just to level up, with professions, it would take a lot longer.
I mean I can broadcast my UI ... the UI set up itself like titanbars and simple minimap and macaroon, and macros, without loading profiles. Sry if it was unclear.
Now lets say you make a macro for your shaman on one computer can you copy it to all the others or do you ahve to rewirte the macro in game for each shaman. The way I have set up is I can make a change on my main computer (say I want to go from earth shocks to chain lightning at level 32), then broadcast that macro change (by erasing and altering the WTF files/folder) automatacally (well takes 3 programes and about 10 mintues). I guess copy is a better word, well I guess clone would be the correct term, So I can test out different macros kinda fasts.
So I can change a macro on the main computer and clone it to all other characters on all other computers.
Maybe copying the WTF folder works if you are not using macaroon but if you do then it takes a bit more then that.
No doubt the lighter the client the better, but I can surely suggest that addons Jamba and Macaroon are major major facilitators in game play. How do you know if any of your guys break autofollow? How do you know if one of your guys is under attack? With Jamba you can see the health of everyone and if they are following (well basically) on the main computer. Also with Jamba you can click on a flight path with your main and everyone automatically goes to that point, and a bunch of quest stuffs also. Macroroon makes each key (or click button) a full macro in itself and lets you go over the character limit. And look how nice my layout is:
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8674/oppslo4.th.jpg
With Jamba:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1...mainzj4.th.jpg
We do the key broadcastinga bit different also. You broadcast in software to all clients on all computers, as you say. I hardware broadcast from one keyboard/mouse to 6 computers then software broadcast to the 5 instances on each compouter. Not sure if that is better or worse actually lol ... Well it is a bit better I can left mouse click on six computers at the same time ... I mean on 6 instances.
Whose "we" dont you mean you? or is this because you refer to yourself in 3rd person?
Prepared > Sam
Deleted, this is just silly
Please try to keep this civil, there is no need to try and sling veiled insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Youngceo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158626#pos t158626
In this case he is using "we" to refer to himself and the poster he was responding to as they both have different means of multi-casting.Quote:
We do the key broadcastinga bit different also. You broadcast in software to all clients on all computers, as you say.
We = "You and I" do things differently
Not the way you read it as "The group of people I am associated with" do things differently from you.
Copy your UI from one pc to the next would be a better way of saying this... I personally use RDX which has the facilities to BROADCAST your UI changes in game to any other player running RDX. For exmaple if someone wanted my RDX setup all they would have to do is log onto Blackhand, group with me, and I could send it to them. The bigger the package the longer it takes, but I've used this for years both for multiboxing and raiding - in raids it was invaluable to be able to code boss mods on the fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158612#p ost158612
I boxed without Jamba for well over a year before using it, I'll agree it's a great application but far from required. I keep my camera far enough back that I normally see breaks before jamba tells me. As for under attack, I have health bars on screen for them, this would be exacerbated by multiple groups but if a mobs in yoru group, you should be nuking it not chatting with it. Flight points can be handled with mouse broadcasting, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158612#p ost158612
Key->Broadcast->Broadcast->Client seems to have a layer of failure built in waiting to happen, but really I can see it having benefits as well. If the software broadcaster dies on one machine you don't lose them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158612#p ost158612
All said and done, even Prepared isn't doing anything all that "rocket science" like... he's doing the same thing we all do, to the N'th power. Honestly I'm much more impressed by the mixed class 5 and 10 boxers who succeed at heroics and raids than I am any multiboxer playing X of the same class. Having played pally/priest/priest/mage/mage I realize the logistical nightmare it can be - having played shamam^5, druid^4, lock^4 I can say that they are all trivial to setup and level.
I play multiple classes in EQ (1 war, 1 bard, 1 chanter, 1 shaman, 5 clerics, 13 wizards, 1 ranger, 1 mage), but Shamans just do so much (heal, dps, aoe, raz ... ) that well.
You can't just transfer an addon that uses Ace2 or Ace3 (i.e. macaroon) which has your characters name in the Macaroon.lua files to another computer and expect it to work, unless you load default profiles, which also dosnt work all the time ... You have to change the Macaroon.lua (and arkinventory and Jamba) files themselves ...
Macaroon mess
Well you have to konw you are under attack first ...Quote:
but if a mobs in yoru group, you should be nuking it not chatting with it
There are so many possible things that could go wrong its amazing that these games work at all.Quote:
Key->Broadcast->Broadcast->Client seems to have a layer of failure built in waiting to happen
I can see any of my characters break auto follow by the screen they display as not moving. Just one key to bring them back to following. I have another key to set focus to any of my group leaders so as long as I can set focus, I don't have any issues there. I know any one of my characters is under attack by sound from any computer or by their health going down. My 2 main computers contains the group leaders for all groups so I see the health of all from those two screens.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158612#p ost158612
The Jamba flight path for all to go to the same point sounds nice! Sounds like the other options I don't need but that one would save a lot of time for me :)
Octopus broadcasts to each instance and computer. The mouse doesn't work that well for multiple instance windows on the same computer, but I'm hoping a newer version will fix that.Quote:
We do the key broadcastinga bit different also. You broadcast in software to all clients on all computers, as you say. I hardware broadcast from one keyboard/mouse to 6 computers then software broadcast to the 5 instances on each compouter. Not sure if that is better or worse actually lol ... Well it is a bit better I can left mouse click on six computers at the same time ... I mean on 6 instances.
Ya there is more then one way to skin a cat ...
My view is that we're all doing the same thing with regard to the mechanism we use to multibox. Keep in mind some of us multiboxed every single class and even a small few did that without any keyboard or mouse broadcasting software prior to finding out about this web site. /agree on the multiboxers that can do heroics, raids and good ratings in PvP arenas by themselves. However, having said that, I don't agree with some on here that state the best boxing PvPers have the highest ratings unless those boxing PvPers are doing the arenas by themselves. I.e., some boxers work with other players in the PvP arenas which isn't as impressive as the boxers in the PvP arenas by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158644#post 158644
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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158246#p ost158246
You'd need to add 14 more accounts to surpass me in WoW to have more accounts than I do. :)
Right now, I'm staying with 38 accounts. They are paid up to April. Next summer, I might not be playing all of them, we'll see.
Ya I agree but for sure it is very smart to have 4 dps and another person healing as then you get the best of both boxing (focus fire) and non boxing (varible response on healer)... very very smart.
Ya I have to have my guys much stongers then your guys to kill stronger mobs then you and 12 more toons is a big edge. We will see. Im haveing problems with just 26, even running through quests with 38 is going to be a nightmare. For now I will stick with 26 and see what occurs. I think you can see that you will have to invest a very very large chunck of your time to get all to 80 and quality gear. Even though its 1/4th of whats needed in EQ its still a TON of time.
Maximizer, focus follows mouse, and LOTS of clicking/key thrashing! Most I ever did without software was two melee + healer, which was a real bitch to keep up with a rogue/warrior + priest healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158701#pos t158701
I didnt use mouse or keyboard software broadcasting (well I did do the hardware onekeyboard to 6 computers broadcasting) in EQ ...
Heh seems like a obsolete way to do things ... dang now I have to reset up all my eq stuffs also. Well can use delays in EQ socials though, that helps a lot.
Stop talking about power leveling
-Svpernova09
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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158720#p ost158720
If you're still playing Everquest with 25 characters, you won't get very far in WoW boxing 25 characters. All the RAF and ideas for speedy leveling aren't going to help much if you are trying to box 25 characters in both of the games.
I don't feel so bad about 38 characters :)
Because the account will be banned. Not 'may', but 'WILL'.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fortis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158729#post1 58729
26 Emails from Blizzard stating that your account has been banned = Priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fortis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158729#post1 58729
They will? Interesting. Never used a leveling service (and never would), but arent they just, like, playing the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158731#pos t158731
Half of the companies don't even have a VPN setup... a China IP address playing your account for several days on end is going to flag it. Most of the companies don't even level by hand; they use a <google a program here> to level your characters, which has about a 20-30% success rate overall (Blizzard's Warden algorithm is pretty fancy). The other companies use your characters to transfer gold, so even when you think the account is safe, you receive a letter a few days later stating that your account has been banned for exploiting the economy (something to this effect). That, and once Blizzard bans one of your accounts, you better believe that they'll investigate anything else that's tied to your Firstname / Lastname. Its a simple, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fortis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158737#post1 58737
The only way to get around it would be to have someone who you KNOW lives here in the US (preferably near you and using your internet company/a similiar provider) level your characters, at which point the costs would probably exceed the value (I don't know too many people here willing to work for less than $20/hr).
No, they're not. You know when you go to a major city and you see advertising for gold? Those are usually on trial accounts. When you see them advertising in the trade channel, those are being done on the accounts that are supposed to be for powerleveling. The powerleveling guys don't powerlevel the accounts, they use those accounts for further advertising which gets the accounts banned. Blizzard checks IP addresses amoung other things after they receive reports of spam for gold. They ban the accounts for gold spamming and record the IP addresses for determining where the accounts are being played for that purpose. If you pay for a powerleveling service, your account WILL be banned PERIOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fortis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158737#post1 58737
The powerleveling services don't care if the accounts get banned. They have absolutely 0 interest in having the characters on those accounts to the level you pay for. Once you pay, you lose the account. Most don't know this which is why the guys are still advertising for gold and powerleveling services.
Powerleveling is against ToS. Because it is allowing someone (NOT the account owner) access to the account. Since it is against the ToS, we don't allow it here so knock it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fortis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158729#post1 58729
Stop talking about power leveling
-Svpernova09
Using real life cash to advance myself in WoW? Surely you kid.
Besides those guys are amatures look at the ideas for leveling fast we have just in this one thread. You dont belive that these "powerlevelers" can acctually out level the people on this forum, ligitly?
Man I had to start out begging gold (made like 3 gold begging - Who da Man!). Thats why I have to do professions really.
Well just finished cutting and pasting my new account names into all my programs hopefully everything will work when the servers come back up. Might even test keyclone idea today. Im level 22, any good instance I should try in the contenent mulgore is on? My guys are at Thunder Buff right now. Well unless they still didnt flag the accounts for a name change.
In doing this, you would still have to provide them with computer(s), internet, training (not everyone can multibox), and what are you going to pay them with? cash? hire them as contract workers? provide them with an office space (your house?), supervise them? provide insurance? lol. Or are you going to hire people who you can't even communicate with to level your characters? You've still gotta provide them some sort of facility to do it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Bigfish',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158747#post 158747
As I said earlier, the benefits would outweigh the cost, and that's why people "try" to use the aforementioned services (because of cost).
Hey Prepared, is your team at 80 now? Did you raid any of the ally cities or run Lake Wintergrasp yet? Just curious how that has worked out, since I know raiding cities was one of your original goals. I got the black war bear on my team (just 5) but since then I've never wanted to go into an ally city again, my FPS dropped to < 1 and the lag was terrible. Even lake Wintergrasp is awful on my server most of the time, too many people in the zone makes casting a nightmare :( If you have any blog or such would love to read how things are going for you. TBH I recently cancelled my wow subs (probably will reactivate 1-2 in january and just dualbox), leveling was really fun but endgame just doesn't seem that fun in WOTLK for me as a multiboxer, its more fun for me solo.
Sam - no one really cares what you did in EQ anymore. Grats on whatever you accomplished there, but we are all talking about WoW here and the fact is that after 3 months you have reached level (22? 26?) whereas Prepared has basically leveled 38 characters to near 80 in nearly the same amount of time and many, many people have leveled 10-20 characters 1-80 in that same time. You really need to stop using as an argument "but in EQ I...", the fact is so far on every measurable stat you are far, far, far, far, far behind every other person. Its NO BIG DEAL, its just a video game, but you aren't winning by any measure anything. The amount of time to go from 70-80 also dwarfs 1-70 for multiboxers, so its only going to get worse, not better.
To be honest what I'd suggest is investigate games coming out in the next year. Theres Stargate and Bioware's new Star Wars MMO (2011? 2012?) You wanna jump ahead of the curve, WoW is what, 4-5 years old now with a massive userbase, if you really want e-fame get into the next big thing. You could try Warhammer, which is 100% all about PVP, but its a lot harder to multibox.
Stop talking about power leveling
-Svpernova09
Don't even joke about it. Its not funny. Don't talk about it here.
-Svpernova09
bah, nevermind
Forbiden topic completely unrelated at this point:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158752#post1587 52
What, you think the people running those things don't have overhead costs either? You think people can only speak one language? You think low-skill work provides insurance? Do you even know what a no-skill and/or illegal labor market looks like?
What, you think the people running those things don't have overhead costs either?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Bigfish',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158770#post 158770
These companies are NOT based in the US. I'd even argue that the companies that have shells here are sub'd out to other countries. Economics 101: Outsourcing (in the case of leveling characters) = cheaper costs, hence why you see the cheap leveling methods available.
You think people can only speak one language? Did I state that? In my argument, I posed that he wouldn't find workers here (in the US, hence my $20/hr comment) to provide those services without exceeding the value of the services
You think low-skill work provides insurance? McDonalds has a healthcare plan for it's full-time non-salaried employees, as does Wal-Mart for it's fulltime employees. I don't think we can get much more cutthroat in the US low-skilled/low wage legal labor market.
Do you even know what a no-skill and/or illegal labor market looks like? Again, your argument fails on the premises that if Sam wanted to succeed in his leveling by using a service, he would have to do it in house (US based), which means US based leveling, US based workers, US based internet company. Don't forget that we're combating time in this as well, because clearly the point of using a service would be to level as fast as possible. But, since I've only built two corporations, clearly I know nothing about business and labor markets...perhaps you can enlighten me: Where is it that I can find US based workers to work at $5/hr (minimum was higher at last glance), that have computers, don't need insurance, and have the internet available for usage? I mean really, if you have these people available, shoot me a PM, I'd honestly like to talk with you. :thumbup:
Are we back on that "whose winning the never ending game" thing again? I killed the first boss in heroic slave pens on my lvl 70 hunter back during Season 3. 1 toon 1 heroic boss and I honestly think forming a successful hogger raid of lvl 1-3 chars might be a much harder challenge ;) . I'm gonna take my 5 man team back to heroic slave pens and solo that boss 5 times simultaneously in 5 separate instances at the same time. 5x 70 heroic boss at the same time... come on, I win!
EDIT: on a serious note I think both Prepared and Sam are doing some great things. While I think the constant reminder of Sam's accomplishments in EQ have no place in the WoW thread, and I'm not even remotely impressed by anything EQ, I am secretly hoping Sam and/or Prepared pulls off their own personal raid boss kill in lvl 80 content since it's so easy and might actually lead to some nifty advice/strats/software coming out of them when they actually make it to the beginning of the game (lvl 80).
Oh, While I'm here. Sam I will suggest you seriously reconsider rolling 26x hunters, or possibly, what I would consider the best available group 1 pally, 4 shaman, 20 hunters, 1 priest.
Consider for a second having a pally tank with pally buffs. 4 shaman for your common totems and heals. 20 hunters just for the fact they are exceptional characters to think of 20 in 1 group. 20x multishot 20x explosive trap 20x PET!!!!! hunters can heal their pet, rez their pet, etc. and 20 core hounds could possibly annoy enough people to make a serious impact on your location.
But in all seriousness this group would be capable of raiding if you ask me. Grab your 26th char as the priest just for priest buffs and a viable sub-in for AOE healing certain bosses.
20 hunters/pets is the most fire and forget damage I can possibly think of. you could /afk with 20 pets on defensive and still be save on a pvp server.
Seriously. I want to see an enemy assault deal with 20x multishot / pet / explosive trap. Do it!