worst dealing with a guild ever?

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Originally Posted by 'scottig',index.php?page=Thread&postID=70200#post7 0200

you like enhanement Vyndree? I thought about getting some s1 enhance gear just to try it out.

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It's fun mostly just to be in the raiding scene and since I have never experienced a melee class before.

Like all things in WoW, particularly with shaman specs, it does eventually get redundant... But pretty much every class reaches this point once they find their "perfect rotation". The downside of speccing this way is that I don't particularly like multiboxing as enhancement, so the respec fees will eventually skyrocket.

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Originally Posted by 'mackenziemi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=69834#p ost69834

That's not even remotely true. The sucessful guild leaders are the ones who make solid, well thought out, fair guild rules in the beginning, a solid officer structure not based on favorism, and are firm in keeping within the rules that he started with irregardless if it means their friends and favorite guildes don't get loot over ones they don't like. The push-overs and the ones who constantly change the rules in a way to benefit themselves and their friends are the ones who don't run guilds for long.

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I would argue that it's true, but depends completely on perspective. I've run MMO guilds since Ultima Online in 1996, I've been the GM of the same core of players since EQ in 97/98, and we have all been together since Beta in WoW.

We have a VERY established ruleset, it's very fair, and we've gone to great measures to ensure that it's fair, not just to the guy who shows up 100% of the time, but also to the guy who just showed up and is contributing at that moment. (In our mindset, going on a raid with NO chance of winning loot isn't any more fair than the guy who shows up 100% of the time losing a bunch of items to a guy who showed up for 1 raid. That is not the discussion at hand though.) It's well documented, well communicated, and very well managed.

Over the years of running a raiding guild in WoW I have consistently been called an asshole by nearly every single person who left the guild. Yet at the same time, we have never had a looting dispute during a raid that stopped progression and wasn't clearly defined in the rules we abide by. Every dispute ever tabled was someone upset they didn't win when they thought they should have.

So my point is this, every guild leader must have an inner asshole and not be afraid to bring him out as the situation applies. The fact is every time you make a decision in a guild, someone isn't going to like it. Even if the decision is to give everyone 1000g, someone is going to bitch that they should have gotten more and someone else shouldn't have gotten any. Being asshole enough to tell the bitching minion off and put them in their place is a good thing.

True about being an asshole, but i could careless if the person is an ass or not. As long as he is fair.

Our guild rules is that main toons gets loot before non main
Tanks and healers get loot before others if needed
Offset and alts get loot

With having DKP on it in each case. So i was running Kara with my MAIN warlock, the officer is running it with an alt hunter. So when the t4 gloves helm and hands drop it will be between me and the hunter (no other hunter, lock, or mage there). On the guild ranks the hunter was a veteran like me. So i look at his gear he has the t4 gloves but not the t4 helm, so i was like ok at least i get the gloves. So the veteran hunter is the group leader and telling us orders. I whispered someone else in the group that i knew sort of well and asked him why is this person giving orders. They whispered back saying that it is an officer alt. I smiled so hard cause i was like now i can get the t4 helm and gloves. So i whisper the hunter and asked if he was an alt. He said he was and why i wanted to know. I whispered back saying that i need the t4 helm and gloves and that this is my main that i get them. Whispers back to me saying I'll let you get the gloves but the helm is mine. Well the best part was the team really sucked, the off tank was a better main tank but they had him off so a noob warrior can learn how to main tank. I got yelled at because i started dps too early and that the warrior didn't have enough agro yet. This is with sal on too with drain life (where i have reduce threat on that too) and i was still pulling... Waiting 20 sec before i dps and still pull with drain life on the SKULL too. So i just pretended to dc and left for the night. Died 20 times before we got to maiden and died on her 4 times. Good thing was i didn't have to worry about the t4 drops, but the bitchy part was that he was going to get the helm. I would have whispered the gm but i bet he would say that we need his hunter for raiding.