Taking the heat

Thought I would add. They wont increase WoW difficulty or remove features to make multiboxing to hard if they want to stop it. A simple warden script could have u banned before you log in with all 5.

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Originally Posted by Homer

Thought I would add. They wont increase WoW difficulty or remove features to make multiboxing to hard if they want to stop it. A simple warden script could have u banned before you log in with all 5.

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Software boxing, perhaps. To break all multiboxing, all they need to do is remove /follow

When disagreement is labeled hate I know that any opportunity for rational discussion has left out of the window. I'm outta this one.

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Originally Posted by kate

When disagreement is labeled hate I know that any opportunity for rational discussion has left out of the window. I'm outta this one.

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This wasn't a debatable post. I am telling you that an iceberg is in the water and we are going to hit it. Picking apart my sentences, and saying it is irrational is about as dumb as a fat chick on roller blades.

To turn a blind eye to the present problem is going to hurt us. It was supposed to be an influential post, not a lash back.

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Originally Posted by candlebox

This wasn't a debatable post. I am telling you that an iceberg is in the water and we are going to hit it. Picking apart my sentences, and saying it is irrational is about as dumb as a fat chick on roller blades.

To turn a blind eye to the present problem is going to hurt us. It was supposed to be an influential post, not a lash back.

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I disagree with literally every single point you are trying to make in this statement.

I disagree that it wasn't a debatable post. I don't care if you think there can be no debating it - it's cute that you think so, but it's only your opinion, and I do not share it.

I disagree that there is an iceberg in the water.

I disagree that we will hit a non-existent iceberg.

I disagree that there will be any consequences for not hitting a thing that doesn't exist.

I disagree that I am turning a blind eye to a problem that I do not believe exists or that it will hurt anyone if I continue to behave exactly as I have behaved.

I disagree with the idea that even if the impossible dream of every single boxer out there were to suddenly become a wonderful person, sprinkling pixie dust and hugs on all the world that people who get mad and bitch and moan about boxers would stop getting mad and bitching and moaning at boxers.

I disagree that you have any right to put a burden of behavioral expectation onto other people and then call them haters and dumb for telling you that they reject your request.

I disagree that anyone who does currently behave like a jerk in game will be influenced by your post to stop being a jerk in game.

I disagree that a fat person getting exercise is dumb. I also think your analogy and chosen subject of the sentence was misogynistic, but that's an entirely different issue you'll have to deal with on your own.

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Originally Posted by zenga

Quite a good chunk of my friend list has quit wow lately (not for good, most are on a break). One of the recurring reasons are the state of rogues in pvp, having complete god mode, both in random bg's and arena. Quite a couple classes basically don't stand a chance versus the average rogue, no matter how good you are. And there are multiple in every random bg, and in a lot of arena teams. The same is true for the human racial, it's OP as fuck since it allows one to equip incredible pve trinkets. Both have become a real problem, due to the representation of both rogues & humans.

I have stopped queuing solo for AV, because of the vast amount of premades who game the queue limitations. Despite it being a BG I really enjoy. And I know many more do so.

Multiboxers represent only a very minor % of the playing population that its now just a 1 time annoyance to deal with.

The point I'm making: if a vast amount of the player base was to start multiboxing in pvp, and you'd meet one in every BG you join, people would definitely stop playing because of multiboxers. They / we can deal with an annoyance that doesn't happen too often, but not with something that becomes a frequent frustration/annoyance.

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I, at every point when I unsub an account (temp or perma retirement) ALWAYS list rogues being OP in pvp as the reason why I am quitting... ALWAYS.

As for the AV, I do it constantly and run into a premade once every 20-30 games or so, I don't stop playing AV entirely though, instead, I see how well I can do against them or ruin their experience. (For example, they like to farm ally at GYs and at the IWB hill. and I managed to convince all but 4 people to stay dead or hide in vann's room. The other 4 were rogues/druid who constantly attacked towers. Horde only got 100 hks and we walked away with 2 towers burned and galv dead which isnt bad against a rathstrat premade)

What the point boils down to, we (the community, multiboxers, whoever) are mostly open minded people and don't make generalizations due to one thing or the other that happens. The vast majority of the WoW player base is not this way. For example, and I am not refering to us, just the average joe blow, if he goes to say McDonalds and gets rude service and crappy food he's going to think and say that McDonald's as a whole is crappy and probably won't go to any of them for a while. Most people wouldn't associate that one store with all of the others, but a lot would. Most of the WoW player base if they are just running along questing at low lvls and get killed/ganked whatever you want to call it, by a multiboxer and said multiboxer camps them or even only kills them 2 or 3 times, hes going to more than likely rage over that and think that ALL multiboxers are asshats. Even though the actions of that one boxer do not represent the actions of other multiboxers he isn't going to see it that way, he will make a generalization that all boxers are that way even though we are not. All candlebox was saying is not to go out of your way to do something good, but lay off on going out of your way to be an asshole. And Kate i didn't mean to refer to the discussion as "hate" it just kind of came out that way in my rant. Discussion is a good thing, debating is a good thing, but for some of us to be so nieve to think that what we do has no effect on others whatsoever is just plain wrong. We for the most part are adults and don't normally make generalizations like that, but a lot of the WoW player base is just plain immature and they often do. This boils down to one of those tomatoe tomato arguements. Sorry if i stepped on anyones toes, or ruffled anyones feathers, i did not mean to do so.

I should also make it clear that I don't really think they (blizz) will do anything directly to stop or hinder boxing. The only thing in the near future i see that may affect us is the general evolution of the game. Classes are starting to get pretty complex and require more and more micro-management. I'm sure we'll learn to deal with/work around most of it, but yea thats all....

I have been ganking people the whole time I level its part of the game and I love world PvP.

85's gank low lvls, groups of 5 will take out the opposite faction if they see them and like PvP. Groups of 85s will take over early zones and towns

I understand the perceived asshole image you get ganking people while boxing but that is what the game is about. If you do not want to get ganked as people have been saying for many many years. Roll on a PvE server.

I do not jump on the forums if an 85 comes to ruin my boxing time. I ask in guild if anyone wants to kill him if not. I take a break or change zones. Just like they should

EDIT: Thought I would add this is not how I act/answer if someone gets mad, These comments are for other boxers and my personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by EaTCarbS

Software boxing, perhaps. To break all multiboxing, all they need to do is remove /follow

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The removal of /Follow would absolutely kill the fun for me.

However, you can box a game like Diablo III without follow.
And there isn't follow in the Guild Wars II beta, but people are boxing that.

It (the removal of follow) would likely remove the enjoyment for the majority of boxers.
But I'd imagine many would continue, just to prove they can overcome the challenge.

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Originally Posted by jstanthr

What the point boils down to, we (the community, multiboxers, whoever) are mostly open minded people and don't make generalizations due to one thing or the other that happens. The vast majority of the WoW player base is not this way. For example, and I am not refering to us, just the average joe blow, if he goes to say McDonalds and gets rude service and crappy food he's going to think and say that McDonald's as a whole is crappy and probably won't go to any of them for a while. Most people wouldn't associate that one store with all of the others, but a lot would. Most of the WoW player base if they are just running along questing at low lvls and get killed/ganked whatever you want to call it, by a multiboxer and said multiboxer camps them or even only kills them 2 or 3 times, hes going to more than likely rage over that and think that ALL multiboxers are asshats. Even though the actions of that one boxer do not represent the actions of other multiboxers he isn't going to see it that way, he will make a generalization that all boxers are that way even though we are not. All candlebox was saying is not to go out of your way to do something good, but lay off on going out of your way to be an asshole. And Kate i didn't mean to refer to the discussion as "hate" it just kind of came out that way in my rant. Discussion is a good thing, debating is a good thing, but for some of us to be so nieve to think that what we do has no effect on others whatsoever is just plain wrong. We for the most part are adults and don't normally make generalizations like that, but a lot of the WoW player base is just plain immature and they often do. This boils down to one of those tomatoe tomato arguements. Sorry if i stepped on anyones toes, or ruffled anyones feathers, i did not mean to do so.

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Amen.