Cata- New Talent Trees.

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Originally Posted by Firstcow

Wow, Art of War now makes Holy Light instant, not Flash of Light.

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might be some mana issues there

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Depends on which class you are talking about, prot pally actually has a LOT of ways it can play out. I see some talents I would take differently than the first post for elemental too. But lets be honest, I bet everyone here has specc'd their shaman within 1 or 2 points. So cookie cutter now is better than cookie cutter later eh?

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You have to spend atleast 31 points in whatever spec you choose. that leaves 10 points to throw around. Cookie cutter all specs basically.

Edit: Also that AoW looks sweet but holy light is replacing flash of light in effect its the same thing as before.

Show me a hybrid spec that works right now that isnt a DK and isn't for some silly niche role. If you thought you were going to get class defining abilities as an opposite spec.. well you were smoking something. A lot of this looks very beta right now too, expect it to change.

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Show me a hybrid spec that works right now that isnt a DK and isn't for some silly niche role. If you thought you were going to get class defining abilities as an opposite spec.. well you were smoking something. A lot of this looks very beta right now too, expect it to change.

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Youre totally right.

I have no reason why they are changing the talent system . Clearly blizzard knew what we were going to choose ahead of time. I am starting to wonder why there is a talent system in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Show me a hybrid spec that works right now that isnt a DK and isn't for some silly niche role. If you thought you were going to get class defining abilities as an opposite spec.. well you were smoking something. A lot of this looks very beta right now too, expect it to change.

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I'm not sure what you're saying. Can you rephrase your comment please? I don't know if you're talking about a hybrid spec in WotLK that works (and what you mean by works). Also, I don't know what you're referring to with class defining abilities as an opposite spec.

If I'm guessing correctly, then I totally agree with you that if they allowed hybrid specs then they shouldn't get the defining ability (for example a hybrid holy/disc should not get the mastery holy nor the mastery disc).

Here's a few possible Prot Pally specs: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=eptSIvrn.9mn.paladin http://www.wowtal.com/#k=W8HOO2J2.9mn.paladin http://www.wowtal.com/#k=WpSZ0osxl.9mn.paladin http://www.wowtal.com/#k=epalwVRm.9mn.paladin If more trees were like this then there is a lot to choose. It depends on how these talents turn out, like, "What does reducing Divine Plea by 60 seconds gain me?" Do they plan on changing divine plea to include a damage reduction component? Also as it stands Ardent Defender now blows, hopefully it changes. It's very ambiguous in that it doesn't list how long it lasts... one hit? Who knows.

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Here's a few possible Prot Pally specs: http://www.wowtal.com/#k=eptSIvrn.9mn.paladin http://www.wowtal.com/#k=W8HOO2J2.9mn.paladin http://www.wowtal.com/#k=WpSZ0osxl.9mn.paladin http://www.wowtal.com/#k=epalwVRm.9mn.paladin If more trees were like this then there is a lot to choose. It depends on how these talents turn out, like, "What does reducing Divine Plea by 60 seconds gain me?" Do they plan on changing divine plea to include a damage reduction component? Also as it stands Ardent Defender now blows, hopefully it changes. It's very ambiguous in that it doesn't list how long it lasts... one hit? Who knows.

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Holy shit, who knew you could do so much with a few extra left over talent points. Thats like 4 completely different specs you got there! Amazing.


They should just make talent templates for each spec and be done with it.


There will always be a cookie cutter build. That's just the nature of the game. This system just insures fewer if any players will, or by that matter, be able to, deviate from it. putting points in the new system is just a formality if it remains like this because they are in fact templates, in practice if not name. I think it's a little naive to believe they did this for the players rather than to simplify balancing the classes.


I believe I am trolling now, so I digress. Peace!

Just quit, save me some time.

I haven't been following all these talent madness. can someone fill me in with what's mastery talent ? and what happen if I don't get that 31 talent points ?

In the proposed talent system, you must spend 31 points before you can go into another tree. At level 85, that means you will have 10 points left over.

Mastery is good & bad. I like that they're giving defining abilities at level 10 (like penance for a disc priest), but they're using that as an excuse to not allow hybrid builds.