To Gank or Not to Gank, That is the Question!

Up until recently I've pretty much been "Live and let live", because I hate getting interrupted while questing (especially up until I got the cash for my epic flyers). If vanasKOS doesn't flash my screen red, they usually live. Well, last night I was at the Venture Bay area doing dailies, and there was an 80 druid. I left her alone, and went about my way to turn in. Well, one of my girls lost follow and I didn't catch it until my raid warning flashes "Seaie: I'm Attacked!" (gotta love Jamba!). I went and caught up to her about the time this druid was doing the finishing blow. I then proceeded to camp her mercylessly for about an hour, along with any other hapless Alliance who showed up, regardless of level. I think I just had it with letting people live and having it bite me in the ass.

After that little session, I flew to Shadow Hold, and insta-gibbed the 4 or 5 alliance there, and parked my girls and their totem farm pointing at the flight master. People were dead before the lag from landing even caught up. After about 50 kills and about 20 horde watching (and /lol'ing and /cheering) I decided to hit the road before they brought in the major reinforcements. It's amazing how much of a stress reliever it is to break loose :)

LOL well you definately showed that ally "Your not alone" lol

Seems ally druids are always messing with me. I may have to roll a group of druids for the sneak attack factor during payback.

back to topic: I usually don't kill green and try to only kill yellow/red players - I also usually only kill people once and don't corpse camp; unless they attacked me while I was rez'ing/started the hostilities - I do use VanasKOS too so I can remember everyone who ever attacked me and they will eventually pay the price :-)





Sam flame removed.
-Svpernova09

Everyone i faced who was 70 when i was leveling my team killed me, now i simply payback.

So VanasKOS does the same thing as Carbonites KoS list?

I kill flagged toons within my level range just once on principle, because it's good PvP mechanics, especially for those quests that automatically flag you, e.g. Grizzly Hills and Ymirheim. If you're doing a PvP quest and are in no danger of being killed by an enemy player, then the quest isn't working as designed (on the same note, even as a carebear I find it annoying when people rant about people killing them while fishing for the achievement in an enemy capitol. It's not SUPPOSED to be an easy achievement, that's why they put it in a ridiculously dangerous place!).

I don't kill anyone twice unless they attack me. I won't kill a player a lot lower than me even once, but just give them a menacing /wave and be on my way. PvP mechanics are one thing, bullying is another. You can assume that someone who just can't stand up to you but is still flagged is probably not still asking for it -- it takes awhile for the flag to burn off, after all. I don't want to grind someone's play session to a halt because people have done it to me and it sucked the fun out of the game, so ... golden rule, an' all.

I had a bad time in Grizzly Hills a few weeks ago where I was five-manning the shredder return quest, and an Alliance DK realized that, for the price of a guaranteed corpserun, he could kill my shredders 100% of the time before my caster-heavy group brought him down. As ridiculous as it sounds that a single toon was griefing my 5-man group, that's pretty much what it was. The first time was funny and kind of admirable, one dude kicking my ass. /salute, y'know? It taught me to bind a key to "leave vehicle" if nothing else. The second time was a little obnoxious. The third time sucked ass. My solution, and it's probably not the best one, was to grief this little Alliance warrior trying to do his version of the quest. I killed him twice, figuring he'd bitch to the DK to stop messing with me and just let me finish so I'd leave. I don't know whether it worked the way I planned or if the DK just got bored and left, but I delivered my last shredder without issue. A small stain on my honor, but probably not by many peoples' standards.

If I'm on a PVP server, I generally leave folks alone when I'm trying to get quests done. Unless they run at me. Or target me. Or look at me funny. Or fart. Or make any rude gestures. Or wear pink. Or kill a mob I'm farming. Basically, unless they're groveling at my feet or being overtly friendly, it's on like Donkey Kong. Much as some others have noted, I've been ganked far more often by people I've left alone than people actively coming into the zone to start shit. With the exception of that druid that had the spy account on Mag and would camp our lowbie groups for hours.

I grew up so to speak on a PvP server. Originally on Arthas then took the first ever free transfer wave to Nathrezim. This was way way back in the day when blizz hadn't implemented anything to prevent unfair/unwarranted PvP. The goblin town guards wouldn't attack you if you PvPed, there was no rule against rooftop ganking with a ranged class. PvP happened constantly, I never went a night without being killed at least a dozen times while leveling my first toon (a rogue). Yep, even being a rogue with the lovely stealth ability, people would still kill me in the neutral towns, or friendly towns if they were higher level than the guards, and catch me out in the open when I was fighting mob(s).

That lasted til about spring of '08, so almost four years of having a PvP server as my main server. Then I'd finally had enough, I had friends playing horde on a PvE realm and I switched. Now Shadowsong is my home and horde is my faction. I still have many of my original alliance toons, some have been transferred to other friends' servers, some have been deleted, but my original trio of rogue/priest/warrior still exists. The warrior went to Hydraxis-PvE when one of my friends and his wife transferred all nine of their toons because they got fedup with doing dailies on the "horde territory" Isle of Quel'Danas. The rogue and priest are still on Nathrezim. I did come back and level the rogue to 80 and do a handful of PUG raids to get some purpz, but the priest has been parked at L66 for ages and since I got fedup with crappy PUGs the rogue lies forgotten and gathering dust.

She's my original WOW toon with over 120 days /played, most of that at L60 (used to be a hardcore 40-man raider back in the day), and now she's a mediocre-geared 80 rogue that can barely make the top 10 on a 25-man PUG's dps meter lol.


I'm done with PvP. If I ever want to play the rogue again I'm gonna transfer her to Hydraxis as well where my friend and his wife play, along with the priest. Nathrezim is over for me. I prefer the relaxed environment of a PvE server far too much now that I've gotten used to it.


But as for the main topic, my rogue was probably one of the least-likely-to-gank-you tier2-geared L60's on the server back in the day. I had a private KOS list, which included about 5 horde players plus one entire guild (my raiding guild and their raiding guild were perma-at war, constantly getting involved in 40v40 action at raid gathering spots like Thorium Point, BRM, AQ gates, etc). I generally left the horde alone. If I was leveling a lowbie and a higher level player attacked and camped and griefed them bad enough, I'd bring the rogue out and show them how tough a tier2 geared rogue was.

I got attacked alot while farming with the rogue, but had the benefit of being full tier2-epicced (back in the days before resilience and actual "pvp gear"), so I could usually annihilate whoever attacked me without breaking a sweat (since back then most 60's had a mix of greens and blues, fully-raid geared toons like me were probably only 10% of the server and most raid guilds left each other alone, except for some of the at-war cases like I described)

I do have some fond memories of the big 40v40 fights our raid guilds got involved in, ambushing each other, fighting for control of the MC/BWL/AQ zone-in area or wherever the flight path deposited people straggling in like Thorium Point, etc.

I'm on a pve server, so at 80 if you're flagged, you're just trying to be a badass, so I have no problem making you corpse run. My main prot warrior is ridiculously geared, so it's very fun swapping over to 3pc deadly with 1500 sbv, and charge> pop trinkets and slam someone to next tuesday. 3 days ago on the ledge outside ramparts, I saw an alliance 70 bugging people and dancing around the stone while another horde group was trying to summon people - he was trying to get them to click and attack him instead of clicking on the summoning portal. Even though my locks are 60, my dk is 65 and preist is 68, so I gripped him sent some shadowbolt volleys his way and he went down really fast surprisingly. I just got lucky with the RNG and got very few misses, plus he only went after my DK, not the stack of undead over by the instance lighting him up and healing my dk.

Just because it's carebear doesn't mean you can be a prick.