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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192951#po st192951
If the alleged activites are investigated and found to be true, I would expect the punishment to range from having gear/honor stripped, right up to the perma-banning of one or more accounts.
It would be a shame if the guy behind of the more interesting projects in wow (36 boxing) is resorting to exploting WG to get ahead...
Cheers,
S.
Blizzard does indeed ban if they feel you are using multiple accounts to get around their rules of cross-faction communication. My brother had one of his accounts banned pre-TBC for using multiple accounts to xfer stuff using the neutral auction house, they did reverse it after a lot of emails and of course I dunno if they changed this policy post-TBC.
It is a pretty fuzzy line imo, after all what if two friends are chatting on IRC and one is helping the other with the exact same info, thats not really ban worthy now is it? So what makes it really different if the same person is doing it with multiple accounts?
One of the many reasons why I am always leery of doing anything that could get me noticed by anyone in game, Blizzard does not need any reason whatsoever to ban all your accounts. There are tons and tons of stories of people who got banned for the strangest of reasons, and many never are able to get Blizzard to unban. Making it so obvious as to spy with two sets of multiboxers seems a pretty foolish move.
Sam, can you even grasp that EVE and Warcraft aren't the same. They are owned by two different companies that set their own terms of service.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192923#p ost192923
In EVE they might like it that people can spy on others, and figure it as cyberpunk industrial espionage.
Blizzard want their Battlegrounds to be fair. Ideally X characters against X characters. On pvp servers you can't create a horde character and an alliance character on the same account. You cannot whisper the opposite faction. This pretty much lets you know they don't want cross faction communication. Multiboxers cloud this issue, as they can have multiple accounts on either faction.
This has probably gone on for a long time (especially on pve servers where you can have characters on both factions). It's probably been done on a low level, with
troop movement reports, or letting them know you are the only one defending the flag, come and get it. Probably a slight advantage at best.
However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.
Sam - you are generally lacking in knowledge when it comes to wow, so I'm not surprised that you aren't as up to date on cheating techniques as Fur.
(Knowing about cheating methods doesn't make you a cheat, as I'm sure your statement was meant to imply).
In EVE you are allowed to scam the other players, it's considered part of the whole PVP process. What the guy did in EVE is 100% legal by the game rules. EVE has terrible game rules and awful customer service. The people who play it either like it that way or put up with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192919#p ost192919
EVE IS NOT WoW!
Also I'd be surprised if Prepared is doing this as opposed another 36 boxer. From what I've seen Prepared acts sensibly and this is definitely a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing someone who knows very little about the game would do... Please don't make allegations unless you are sure, 36 boxing is not an elite 2 man club, anybody with time and money can do it.
So you basically agree with me...Quote:
However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.
Ya EvE is a different game and different companies, what about EQ then, on SZ people had characters in different guilds on different sides. I just don't think that what he did is clear enough that he should be banned for it. Loja talked to me all the time on some horde toon he made, I didn't think it was a big deal. Really I dont understand why they dont allow the factions to talk to each other.
Another, unknown, 36 boxer on the same server as Prepared ... ummm no.
On the other hand I am a bit more interested in what the possible ligit reason there is to make an account not in your own name?
Sam you will have to find it yourself but win trading is bannable, And people were kicked out of last years arena tournament because of it
As usual sam, you ignore the vast majority of a post and try and pick one small detail that proves you right.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193036#p ost193036
To state it plainy - I don't agree with you. I said what i thought blizzard will do, not what I personally think. I think a ban is in order.
Firstly if the accounts aren't all in the same name then that's against ToS, which should be an insta ban.
Secondly he was making it impossible for others to compete evenly for his own benefit.
Who cares why he set up accounts in other names - let's face it, your only interest in this one detail is so you can define yourself a winner in some way that nobody else will agree with - well unless it's "the one player with the most WoW accounts in their own name as far as we know of". Congratulations.
EQ is another company. *sigh*. Yet again you seem confused. Just listing another MMORPG doesn't change anything.
Unique companies, unique terms of service that you agree to when you play them. They don't all have the same rules. Some companies actually don't allow multiboxing *gasp*.
Ultimately, Blizzard can do what they want to with this.
Grr now you have made him think he is right again :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193045#post 193045
[quote='Gadzooks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1928 88#post192888]There are'nt too many 36 boxers, and whoever is doing this needs to knock it off.
[url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137186051&sid=1[/url]
This is the kind of stuff we need to avoid, it's the kind of thing that can be used to shut us down.[/quote]
It's very interesting how you see something such as this and believe that the person doing the accusing is telling the truth. Throughout this entire message thread most of you have written believing what was posted in that message thread as the truth. It was a lie! Is it true I have Alliance and Horde? Maybe, but that's not against the rules. Is it true that I got onto a vehicle on any Alliance characters in Wintergrasp on any realm whatsoever? No, I've never done it. The person that posted the lie told others that I had done that and those others also believed it and posted lies in addition to the original poster. I play 10 level 80 Horde characters in Wintergrasp and give it 100%. I have no time at all to get onto a vehicle to stop the Alliance from using them. Hell, I never even thought about that let alone did it. I've posted several messages in the Aegwynn forums about the accusations made against me. I would have posted in the Customer Support forum but it was locked.
Since the subject has come up again about my account names, I'll state it again for everyone to see. My accounts have different names on them as the owner. I created them that way. Is there a problem? None whatsoever as long as I am secure in the account information. I have all secret questions/answers, blizzard authenticator attached and all keys used in all of the expansions and the original game because I bought them from the store or online at the Blizzard web site. Different names on accounts does not mean you are sharing accounts. Sharing of accounts is against the Terms of Service of the game and there are ways of determining if that is happening such as tracing TCP/IP addresses, etc.
Having separate accounts with characters on both Alliance and Horde on a PvP realm is not against any rules of World of Warcraft. However doing certain actions such as getting on vehicles and not moving I would think would get a player a warning. Have I received such a warning? No, I have not. But I did get in conversation with a GM in the game about it. And the reason was because so many players believed the liar that posted the offense that they put in a lot of reports. Even the GMs appeared to have believed it because they posted in a blue comment that they would look into the matter and take appropriate action, etc. When I spoke with the GM in the game he told me that I would not receive a warning on any of my accounts but that I have a high profile and there were many reports (because of the original liar that dreamed this up).
On Aegwynn, Horde owns Wintergrasp about 80% of the time. Primarily because I understand the battle and give directions prior the start of the battle in the raid and in Horde trade chat about what players need to do. It works most of the time and I will post the strategy here for anyone that needs the information. The thing is, some players already know it, but they don't let other players know it prior to the start of the battle. That's why the Alliance loses, they don't tell the players what to do at the start of the battle. You have new players, you have players that want to play on their own, etc, but if you have a strategy which all players believe will win the battle and they are working towards that strategy, you are more than likely going to win the battle. This is the reason the Alliance players on Aegwynn came up with the lie. They kept losing in Wintergrasp and I kept blowing them away with 10 level 80s with PvP gear most of the time. Some of the times they would get the best of me, but I would read based on what is happening (walls broken down or a workshop owned, etc) as to where they were headed. Having a character on the opposite side only allows you to see where the other side is if you are in their raid. I don't have that luxury because they know my character names. So they came up with this lie and like you and others that have read the post believed it. Now I have taken a lot of my time in explaining the entire situation simply because one player decided to post a lie in the customer support forums.
I will state it again for everyone to be clear on this: I have never gotten onto any vehicle in Wintergrasp on any Alliance character. I have not received any warning from any GMs.
By the way, the same person, Frostkitten, which posted a discussion in the Customer Support forums a number of months ago about limiting the number of characters a player can multibox was involved with this lie as well. This is the message thread that I posted to [url='http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&sid=1&pageNo=1']http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&sid=1&pageNo=1[/url]
The truth is that recently I have ganked Frostkitten and members of his guild about 50 times in the last few days. The funny thing is that I didn't go after him, he came at me and even used exploits to get to me such as flying into the Wintergrasp fort after a battle with his guild mates only to get WTFPWNED by me and others in the area.
[quote='Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193036#p ost193036]Quote:
However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.
Good question. The reason is so that if an accident in typing into trade chat or other chat channel occurs which got sent by all characters intead of one character that was intended to be sent from, and someone submits a spam report, there won't be any further investigation by a GM into it if the accounts have different names. That's the first thing they check.Quote:
On the other hand I am a bit more interested in what the possible ligit reason there is to make an account not in your own name?
I don't want to block sending the slash character / to my clients so I am careful to make sure PAUSE is on before typing into trade. However, sometimes I type fast or think that PAUSE is on but it's really not and may accidentally send chat text from all characters.