Is 5 priests team a good choic for pvp?

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Originally Posted by 'merujo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189195#post1 89195

something tells me u haven't pvp much in wow

i also love ur theorycraft

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I've done much PvP in WoW but I don't have a single lvl 80 yet and I haven't done any PvP in WOTLK (take a look at my signature)
so my knowledge is based on BC where imho 5x priests can take down nearly every opponent in pvp combat while spamming
renews, shields, poms and holy novas.

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5 priests will lose every single game because there are too many tools to "shut you down". DKs with grip/silence/amz, ret pallies with stuns and bubbles, mages with CS, warrios with stuns, etc will almost always kill one of your guys before you can do too much. Once its 5 v 4 its game over. Things like holy nova and COH and POH aren't powerful enough to let you survive long enough. Yes, Guardian Spirit, Penance, etc will help in survivability for a while but you are then in defensive mode and not killing anything, when those cooldowns are all blown you are dead.

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if these changes had been made in WOTLK so that damage can no longer be outhealed then I'd understand
the point of Merujo that priests are crap and I'd suggest shamans. Druids got the serious issue that they
need to be in caster-form to heal which is nearly an instant death for the druid especially in the arena.
(had been in BC that way, dunno if it's still so)

During RAF, I got 5x Druids, Hunters, Shamans and Priests, each to 60th.

The priests are/were Discipline primarily, with a little Shadow.
Shaman's leveled easier, with 5x mana totem and water shields.
Priests were faster then Druids or 5x BM Hunters, although solo the hunter is my fastest leveling class.

With pretty crappy gear, 5x Holy Nova is enough to kill just about any mob before mana goes.
Shadow was only deep enough for Mind Flay, and I believe in Holy only took the talent to improve Renew; everything else Discipline.
The castsequence for PW: Shield was a pain to set up, they need to be in your party/raid for the spell to land, which made me think it was a broken macro for a while.
Instant AoE fear on a castsequence is strong, PvE, but it seems everyone has fear immunity for PvP.
I used a cast sequence to sequentially give Fear Warding to my current leader, who can very quickly cast Mass Dispel on the group vs a fear bomb.
5x Mana Drain will be strong against players.
5x Prayer of Mending will help a bit, and priests have good aoe heals.

Have not actually PvP'd with them yet.

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Originally Posted by 'beyond-tec',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189135#post18913 5

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Priests may seem good on paper...but for PvP I would not reccommend them. Rogues, Warriors & DK's will destroy you.

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in PvP
one priest = nothing
but 5 priests..


while one char gets attacked 4 others can heal him while the DOTs are ticking. Not that bad, especially with things like holy nova
which is instant, heals and kills your enemies :-)

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I should have probably been a bit more specific in how they will destroy you as a multiboxed priest group... :)

Rogue - pop cold blood & trinket, stealth to middle of the group, pop cloak of skillz, spam fan of knives (up to 8K on cloth). If a fear gets through cloak, trinket out.

Warrior - pop spell reflect, reckelssness, charge / intercept, bladestorm (gives fear immunity)

Death Knight - unholy presence, pop AMS, then AMZ, and proceed to beat on priests. Strangulate / mind freeze as required.

I'd put rogues as the worst of the 3, fan of knives is annyoing even to my shaman's...and they have mail & shields...

Cheers,

S.

It would definitely be fun at first, but overall I think it's going to be another gimmick team.

Though I haven't done 5 priests, my original time was 2x affliction warlock and 2x shadow priest. On paper, 12-15 dots, most instant cast, sounded absolutely amazing. In the real world, we had several issues:

1. Multiboxers don't have true mobility required of most cloth classes (especially mages). Melee will rip you in half.
2. Millions of dots != burst damage. I'd watch geared druids heal and HoT right through 12 dots + 4x lasers. Mind blast + shadow word death is nice, but long cooldowns mean you're probably only going to nuke one person before your group gets wiped
3. Lack of healing (unless you just want a bunch of disc priests) makes it hard to survive, especially for your main. Again : cloth + stationary = dead

These reasons, and more, are why quad shaman are the typical pvp setup. Reasons are:
1. Only stationary ranged caster. heavy armor + totems = you don't really need to kite, but you can if you want. And with magma totems hitting so far, you probably don't want to kite - these days i let magma and fire nova totems eat through the melee while I nuke ranged 1 by 1
2. Totems that enhance the party - fear breaks,
3. Able to heal if things get nasty

All that being said, it would still be fun. Viable? As in, actually being as good or better than 5 individual players and what they'd bring to the BG? Doubtful. Even quad ele shaman, before they get a ton of gear and some skill, generally hurt your team in BGs because 4 players can just accomplish more (especially when those four players are likely DKs and ret paladins, or huntards with explosive shot and 5000 attack power).

On the other hand, I'm very intrigued by a 5 disc priest setup. Not even to nuke, just to annoy people to death. 5x prayer of mending, aoe heals, all kinds of stuff. I supposed you could do the same with shaman (I'm debating respeccing them all resto for a few days and just chain healing and riptiding pepole to death :)... that or healing the entier bg myself

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Originally Posted by 'Stealthy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189473#pos t189473

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Originally Posted by 'beyond-tec',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189135#post18913 5

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Priests may seem good on paper...but for PvP I would not reccommend them. Rogues, Warriors & DK's will destroy you.

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in PvP
one priest = nothing
but 5 priests..


while one char gets attacked 4 others can heal him while the DOTs are ticking. Not that bad, especially with things like holy nova
which is instant, heals and kills your enemies :-)

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I should have probably been a bit more specific in how they will destroy you as a multiboxed priest group... :)

Rogue - pop cold blood & trinket, stealth to middle of the group, pop cloak of skillz, spam fan of knives (up to 8K on cloth). If a fear gets through cloak, trinket out.

Warrior - pop spell reflect, reckelssness, charge / intercept, bladestorm (gives fear immunity)

Death Knight - unholy presence, pop AMS, then AMZ, and proceed to beat on priests. Strangulate / mind freeze as required.

I'd put rogues as the worst of the 3, fan of knives is annyoing even to my shaman's...and they have mail & shields...

Cheers,

S.

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I didn't even know there were things like bladestorm or fan of knives.
rogue got an AOE ability now? holy sh*t...

looks like I need to read a lot of forums to get up to date again.... damn.

*grabs his outdated priest theory and walks out of this thread*

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Originally Posted by 'Stealthy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189473#pos t189473

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Originally Posted by 'beyond-tec',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189135#post18913 5

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Priests may seem good on paper...but for PvP I would not reccommend them. Rogues, Warriors & DK's will destroy you.

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in PvP
one priest = nothing
but 5 priests..


while one char gets attacked 4 others can heal him while the DOTs are ticking. Not that bad, especially with things like holy nova
which is instant, heals and kills your enemies :-)

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I should have probably been a bit more specific in how they will destroy you as a multiboxed priest group... :)

Rogue - pop cold blood & trinket, stealth to middle of the group, pop cloak of skillz, spam fan of knives (up to 8K on cloth). If a fear gets through cloak, trinket out.

Warrior - pop spell reflect, reckelssness, charge / intercept, bladestorm (gives fear immunity)

Death Knight - unholy presence, pop AMS, then AMZ, and proceed to beat on priests. Strangulate / mind freeze as required.

I'd put rogues as the worst of the 3, fan of knives is annyoing even to my shaman's...and they have mail & shields...

Cheers,

S.

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Originally Posted by 'beyond-tec',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189512#post18951 2

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I didn't even know there were things like bladestorm or fan of knives.
rogue got an AOE ability now? holy sh*t...

looks like I need to read a lot of forums to get up to date again.... damn.

*grabs his outdated priest theory and walks out of this thread*

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Fan Of Knives is annyoing even on my shams (i.e. mail +shield)...although usually quickly fixed by a TS. :-)

It's enough to make you want to roll a rogue team. *waves at Blast3r* :P