Best PvP 5 Box Combo? Poll!

Yes, I added the PvP to clarify a bit. Your sanity is intact :)

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Remind me on one point, an important one, mind you - to use a soulstone does the Warlock need to be up or can they be used to rez even after a total wipe ?

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Soulstones can be summoned at any time at a cost of one shard. You can keep one in your inventory but it will go away upon logout. When you CAST it (use it) you consume it and it starts a 30 minute cooldown on the lock and applies the 30 minute buff to the recipient.

Soulstones are the ultimate wipe prevention tool. Just make sure you have one up, let the mobs path away and carry a few repair bots and you will never need to go to town. If you HAVE to, just hearthstone out and come back - but you will have to exit the instance to summon them back.

Also, they recently nerfed soulstones such that you can't cast them unless you are partied. No more "give the Zins all soulstones before they go do Ony and then log the warlocks off" :( Hehe.

As for casting times - don't forget that many talents reduce casting times. Mages and Warlocks have reasonable synergy - they have direct damage, crowd control, aoes, etc. Pallies and shamans on the other hand have almost none. So keep the timings of individual attacks in mine when you decide on your group. PvE is about finesse and controlling healing/dps/aggro/cc. PvP style PvE (like what I do) is burn everything down while staying alive long enough. Both methods have their place (I got to 60, didn't I) but all else equal, the measured and methodical method of a balanced PvE group SHOULD be far better prepared for level 60-70 content and theoretically, heroics.

5 Shadow Priest would be interesting.

5x fear (imp fear for faster cooldown)
5x Silence
5x Blackout 20% stun x 5 = 100% stun
5x Vamp Embrace (Heal 125% of all shadow dmg to all members)
5x Vamp Touch(return 25% mana of all shadow dmg to all members)
5x Shield

39 yrd range on spells
Dispell as needed or Mass Dispell ( I think it's a diss, maybe holy)
MindFlay auto rotates characters so jumping beans don't make a diff.

A few caveats - I like the 5 (or 3-4 shadow priest strategy) but keep in mind:

Fears have diminishing returns on players.

20% times 5 would not be 100% but on average it would be expected to proc nearly 100% of the time.

Shadow priests need to channel mind flay and to do so they need to be facing their target. If they take damage, it breaks it. Channeling breaks follow. Pressing the Mind Flay button while some are already casting would cancel the other casts (unless you setup the macro to somehow not cast if you are already casting).

Shields don't stack but could be reapplied instantly if you timed it right.

Renews do stack but healing is not possible (directly) while in Shadowform and shifting is mana intensive. No AoE healing (nova or otherwise) either.

Plus, once you hit 3 shadow priests, you are basically at infinite mana anyway.

What do you mean by: " MindFlay auto rotates characters so jumping beans don't make a diff."?

Shadow priests dots are easier to dispel and no unstable affliction (castable silence helps some though). Silence does have diminishing returns on players though.

If you do this - go undead shadow priest. Racial dots + WOTF = win.

" What do you mean by: " MindFlay auto rotates characters so jumping beans don't make a diff."? "

When you start casting mindflay, if the target runs behind you, your charater automatically rotates to keep it facing you.
So if the player is jumping all over the place (like some do in PVP), mindflay keeps locked in with out you needing to do anything.
Like a geostationary orbit and your target is the satellite.

You are right, mindflay breaks if taking dmg. If you are shielded it doesn't break. This would be an issue.

Wow, the Dots would be great. Now that I think about it, you could
Put Vamp Embrace - SWP (Dot) + Vamp Touch (Dot) + Racial (Dot).
Then do the same to a 2nd target.
You would get healed 125% of shadow damage from each target, so 250% healing of all shadow dmg being done. If it's possible, do same on 3rd target for 375%.
Between that + fear + mind blast(1700dmg) + new insta cast spell(1000dmg) you probably wound't need mindflay.

I think there is a 5 point talent that allows shadow spells to be less resisted and harder to dispell, that stacks 5x on target too, need to check it.

You can include the conditions of channeling or nochanneling in a macro. I believe you can use this then to prevent already channeling toons from being interrupted.

/use [nochanneling:Arcane Missiles] 13
/use [nochanneling:Arcane Missiles] 14
/cast [nochanneling:Arcane Missiles] Arcane Missiles

This is a macro I use for AM. I'm guessing it will work for Mind flay also.

Im working on a paladin 2 mage 2 shaman group atm.. Normally I wouldnt go with this odd group but me and a friend already had level 50 shaman and we both wanted mages and since we needed a tank pally seems better for 5 boxing because of aoe threat. Im going to 4 box and hes going to play a mage so its going to be interesting. The goal is to have 1 shaman resto and the other elemental but still be capable of healing when needed.

*cringe*

Interested to see how well that works.

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Originally Posted by Morlife

I think there is a 5 point talent that allows shadow spells to be less resisted and harder to dispell, that stacks 5x on target too, need to check it.

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The talent you're thinking of it probably Shadow Weaving. It stacks five times on a target and each time increases shadow damage dealt by 2% (so with five, the enemy takes 10% more shadow damage).

I'm not sure if this talent makes separate stacks if multiple priests have it, but that would rock: 50% more shadow damage would be sick.

There is also a talent that prevents shadow resists (Shadow Mastery, or something like that) but it doesn't actually put a debuff on a target.

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Originally Posted by Yarddog

You can include the conditions of channeling or nochanneling in a macro. I believe you can use this then to prevent already channeling toons from being interrupted.

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Think the syntax is this...

[channeling:<spell name>]

I haven't used it but as notole has stated

[nochanneling:<spell name>]

should work as well.

/cast [nochanneling:Mind Flay] Mind Flay

Should only cast mind flay if you're not already channeling it. I'm sure I'm late and everyone already realized this:p