Sigh...Heroics are owning me...

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160328#post1 60328

Cast sequence is shown to have a delay between casts - if you're using all 4 DPS as shamans its going to hurt you. I use a castrandom and it works perfect for me:

#showtooltip
/castrandom Lightning Bolt,Chain Lightning,Lava Burst,Purge

This works great and will only purge if theres something to actually purge (which if there is you almost always want it purged off anyway).

For bosses, I open with my tank then open my DPS with a special macro for just the start of the fight:

/castsequence Flame Shock,Lava Burst

Spam that until LvB casts and then just move to my castrandom. If I'm trying to conserve mana I have another key to just spam 4x LB over and over again.

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Yeah I read that post about /cast random and /cast sequence. I think for me personally using cast sequence is probably better only in that I hate to have to try and remember during a boss fight to apply flame shock. I'd rather just spam one button cause there is enough going on. I'm using one shammy resto ATM so that is no good.

I managed to down Eck finally when I changed to the cast sequence macro. DPS race FTW. I managed to down Collosus first try as well. Pretty easy boss there. However Saladran is who caused me problems. I just couldn't focus enough DPS on him fast enough before the snakes overwhelm my shammies (cause I ignore them) and my resto goes down first and then its game over from there. I attempt to wait as long as possible before doing my TS on my chars (cause I don't RR it) and it kills them all cause in that fight I link it with Elemental Mastery.

I realized that I can probably up my +spellpower by about 100 on all my chars through an upgrade to Rev's set and spellpower enchant to gloves and bracers as well.

Saladran move your dps to the path that goes up to the exit, make sure they are at least one level above you tank. This makes sure that your dps doesnt get hit by his poison AE. Pretty much this fight I go all out dps and sometimes let the tank die if I think I can kill the boss before he gets me. Now that my spellpower is much higher I dont die anymore. Just ignore the snakes, you should be able to kill boss before they can kill your dps. AE them at end to make sure they dont kill everyone.

Also to interject - that website listed above (powerscore or whatever) doesn't work right for DKs. Unfortunately the WoW armory does NOT adjust the DK's armor/hp based on frost presence so my power score comes out at like 7% because my armor is 13k and hp is 16k when reality its 21k and 22k lol.

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160339#post16 0339

Yeah I read that post about /cast random and /cast sequence. I think for me personally using cast sequence is probably better only in that I hate to have to try and remember during a boss fight to apply flame shock. I'd rather just spam one button cause there is enough going on. I'm using one shammy resto ATM so that is no good.

I managed to down Eck finally when I changed to the cast sequence macro. DPS race FTW. I managed to down Collosus first try as well. Pretty easy boss there. However Saladran is who caused me problems. I just couldn't focus enough DPS on him fast enough before the snakes overwhelm my shammies (cause I ignore them) and my resto goes down first and then its game over from there. I attempt to wait as long as possible before doing my TS on my chars (cause I don't RR it) and it kills them all cause in that fight I link it with Elemental Mastery.

I realized that I can probably up my +spellpower by about 100 on all my chars through an upgrade to Rev's set and spellpower enchant to gloves and bracers as well.

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Just takes time to learn the best ways to do the strats, i actually wiped about 100% durability to 0% durability on the snake guy 2 times in a row, just learning the fight.

I used to fight him in his room, then i moved to the water/entrance area, now i fight him in the second room, having my shamans on the middle mound of bones halfway up, With my tank fightning him near max range. I drop my concecrete back on the slow and move up to engage him, sometimes it helps, but sometimes the snakes move right through so, after the pile of snakes is amassing, i usually Tstorm and then drop all 3 fire elementals, and 75% of the time the fire elementals concentrate on the snakes rather then the boss. also, everyone has a strat that they like. Its just a matter of you getting to a point where you have a strat that you live, over time youll get to a point where you say this encounter, and will probable be back for the drakkari colossus, where i still have problems with today, but hes still do-able even with all the movement.

heroics were (or are) killing me too.
I had to go with a resto shaman... the difference here was so huge I was stunned.
the first couple of pulls were always a team wipe until I found out how hex works.
hex has such a short range it's unbelievable but I have learned to target a different mob with each of my shaman (for hex) and to use the target=focus-target for dmg casts
As long as I minimize chain lightning hex rarely breaks before i want it to.
I put Titansteel Guardians on all of my shaman ( which has +490 spell until they nerf it ) and I enchanted them for more spell dmg.
I had to buy a lot of Titansteel @ roughly 275-300G per bar but it seems to have been well worth it.
now the trash mobs are pretty simple... I still find the bosses incredibly hard, i've only cleared the first two in Utguard but i'm getting there. I'm pretty pround of my 3 badges :)

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Originally Posted by 'Catamer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160430#post 160430

heroics were (or are) killing me too.
I had to go with a resto shaman... the difference here was so huge I was stunned.
the first couple of pulls were always a team wipe until I found out how hex works.
hex has such a short range it's unbelievable but I have learned to target a different mob with each of my shaman (for hex) and to use the target=focus-target for dmg casts
As long as I minimize chain lightning hex rarely breaks before i want it to.
I put Titansteel Guardians on all of my shaman ( which has +490 spell until they nerf it ) and I enchanted them for more spell dmg.
I had to buy a lot of Titansteel @ roughly 275-300G per bar but it seems to have been well worth it.
now the trash mobs are pretty simple... I still find the bosses incredibly hard, i've only cleared the first two in Utguard but i'm getting there. I'm pretty pround of my 3 badges :)

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^^^lol ( hes my buddy, i can tease/laugh at him if I want )

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Originally Posted by 'Catamer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160430#post 160430

heroics were (or are) killing me too.
I had to go with a resto shaman... the difference here was so huge I was stunned.
the first couple of pulls were always a team wipe until I found out how hex works.
hex has such a short range it's unbelievable but I have learned to target a different mob with each of my shaman (for hex) and to use the target=focus-target for dmg casts
As long as I minimize chain lightning hex rarely breaks before i want it to.
I put Titansteel Guardians on all of my shaman ( which has +490 spell until they nerf it ) and I enchanted them for more spell dmg.
I had to buy a lot of Titansteel @ roughly 275-300G per bar but it seems to have been well worth it.
now the trash mobs are pretty simple... I still find the bosses incredibly hard, i've only cleared the first two in Utguard but i'm getting there. I'm pretty pround of my 3 badges :)

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I have Titansteel Guardians as well. I did a huge Spellpower upgrade last night (Spellpower to Weapon, Legs, bracers, and got a new helm) Going to change my gloves and put the spellpower enchant on them as well and hopefully this will be enough to help.

I got 5 badges so far, but the going is slow. I'm not sure what Heroic badge item I should get first?

Also maybe I should try fighting him in the 2nd room as well. I never actually thought about this having my DPS/Healer standing on the piles of bones with my Tank down below. My only concern is wouldn't the time for him to get to my tank be bad? When I normally could be DPSing him already, won't the snakes spawn at the same time and therefore more will be up before I even have a change to start DPS?

Also for the hex I really don't use it, although I probably should on the 4-5 Humanoid/Best mobs but its the range that kills me on it. It totally sucks ass.

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160485#post16 0485

Also maybe I should try fighting him in the 2nd room as well. I never actually thought about this having my DPS/Healer standing on the piles of bones with my Tank down below. My only concern is wouldn't the time for him to get to my tank be bad? When I normally could be DPSing him already, won't the snakes spawn at the same time and therefore more will be up before I even have a change to start DPS?

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I dont see any timing issues will the pull, hes the snakes dont seems to be timed, i may be incorrect there, or the time could start after a certain hp %, again im not 100% sure but it definetly doesnt affect me.

You might be right in the certain hp%. In any event I will try your tactic tonight and see.

Edit: With your tactic I had no problem downing him. I even made it to final boss but after 4-5 wipes I gave up. He does just too much damage. But tonight was a vast improvement from yesterday

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160605#post16 0605

You might be right in the certain hp%. In any event I will try your tactic tonight and see.

Edit: With your tactic I had no problem downing him. I even made it to final boss but after 4-5 wipes I gave up. He does just too much damage. But tonight was a vast improvement from yesterday

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I wish they were my strats for the first boss, all the credit goes to Fuzzy for bringing it to the table in previous posts.

The last boss, is really similar to Moorabi to me. I Set my Totems in the center of the first circle up the stairs, post up all my guys against the left wall facing in. I pull the guy to the center of that circle around the totems, In normal form its a tank and spank, may want to move on his whirlwind if you have low HP or having issues keeping up the healing spam. When he shifts rhino, i pull him towards the casters. And way for him to impale someone, usually my guys can get impaled and live through it, but i usualyl heal them with a tri-LHW, sometimes only 2, depending on who is impaled. usually puts them at full. When he is done the impalee is usually on the opposite side from where he started and still within range to dps.

Gratz on getting further, like everyone always its takes time to learn and after the curve there pretty easy, i myself am making progress, was able to do H UK, H Gundrak, H Drak, H Strat without a wipe tonight, ill probably take a night off from instances farming to get some more good, and work on getting access to more dailies, i need to get my guys Titansteel Guardians still lol. But, i will probably start trying to add in Heroic Azjol becuase i need to farm the second boss for my tank trinket.

anyhow, Good luck on further progression!