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Ele shammies should not be so far behind on the dps. Blizz have stated they want everyone to be equal, but they well only progressively buff them til they reach the other classes, they wont make the mistake of massively buffing and then having to deal with the QQs when they nerf them again. So just relax and wait and see what happens.
[Titansteel Guardian] reduced to 457 spellpower.
No more tears, mmkay?
Actually no, but considering I've never been in a scenario where I needed to drop both poison and disease cleanse at the same time, I think the blow to the team is manageble :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=157750#po st157750
I thought the pulsing time got alligned in 3.0, but it turns out I was wrong :-)
I have this setup waiting to be leveled at 70. If you start using the setup send me a pm and let me know how its working out. I am too busy to start them in northrend right now. Maybe in Jan I will start their grind to 80.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Stabface',index.php?page=Thread&postID=157841#pos t157841
I did this, and I haven't had any regrets -- other than I should have switched teams earlier :P. As far as the sentiment that Hunters are being nerfed.. Volley is being nerfed (it went from a trash skill to being a godly skill anyways; I never added it into my rotation for this very reason), and pets are being toned down by a 10-15% margin in dps. Hardly a nerf. If we are going to talk about nerfs, then reduce pet damage by about 50%, reduce all hunter skills by 10-20% across the board, and then we can talk about a nerf. Also, keep in mind that it is very likely that the Exotic pets damage be increased in the future (right now their damage is on par with regular pets); these things take time though.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fuzzyboy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=157643#pos t157643
As far as comparing the Shaman to a Hunter; it's not going to be a fair comparison. Pre-WoTLK, we had Shaman who could easily dish out a burst of 10k+ inital damage with their chain lightning x 4/5, depending on gear. In most cases, the best of the best plate classes Pre-WoTLK were breaking 25k hps raid buffed, and 30k meant you were really damn good. What you would have is an instant kill on anyone in PvP for the most part (provided you got the jump on them), not so much anymore. Same thing holds true for Heroics, 4 shaman + tank in BC would annihilate heroic dungeons, mainly because warrior npcs a) weren't outputting the damage that they produce now, b) had less hps, c) had been toned down through patch after patch...
Hunters, on the other hand have always had their pets. Recently "cooler" looking pets became available, but the damage in comparison to a regular pet was/is negligable. They've always been a pretty well-rounded dps class. They don't rely on totems and spell damage buffs to get their jobs done, they just kill. With the new expansion, their killing has been ramped up, but its not over the top. Mages, rogues, ARMS warriors (wtf? nerf incoming), can outdamage hunters. It's just easier to manage a hunter now / easier to do instances when you have extra tankage coming from your pet. Shaman don't have any "pets" per se.. as Elemental shammis we get totems / pets that we cant control every 20 mins, but thats it.
As far as ever being the "kings" of dps, I don't think you'll find it in the shaman. It's a hybrid class-> an EXCELLENT healing class, a decent melee class, and a marginal elemental/casting class (we'll see what the new changes bring). Part of the reason why I dropped 3 of my shaman (and converted the fourth over to resto) is simply because I realize shaman aren't a great dps class... theyre OK, but not great for PvE. For PvP, Boxed Shaman are better than Hunters though (Thunderstorm+ES = dead hunter pets ftw), but for PvE, I feel that the damage will be lacking. Only time will tell.
That's very encouraging :-) How are you doing in instances/heroics with this setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158472#post1584 72
For pure PVE teams that include tank and healer, hunter DPS seems pretty ideal...aside from the class being IMBA/OP on the DPS front you can maximize DPS in a single button spam macro similar to tanking with a pally
Apart from hunters being 1-button friendly (not really, but more so than elemental shammies because of the flame shock thing), they also bring a good amount of utility through their pets (stun, castspeed debuff, interrupt etc.), not to mention feign and with HKN's very nice mousebroadcasting feature even decent AE damage:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'suprafro',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158809#pos t158809
Pre Wrath I started raising up a mage and boomkin to replace 2 shamans and so far am very happy with it. I did it for several reasons
1) WATER!!!!!
2) Portals!
3) Protection against specific class nerfs
4) DPS spread across different schools of magic so nature immune bosses don't pwn me anymore
5) More buffs!
Also I really wanted a resto druid for arena's after getting owned so hard by groups with them. If they don't shine in Wrath like they did in BC then I'll just leave her boomkin and enjoy the benefits that provides.
Also also, now when I want to single box with a group (which I still really enjoy), I've got more options to offer to a prospective team.
Also also also, I now have a class for each type of armor that drops, so being a loot whore I get a little more satisfaction this way. Whatever drops can (almost) always be used by someone in my group!
But this all is just what I think about it. Different people have different goals/likes/dislikes so whatever works for you works.
I love having one shaman on my PVE teams and will likely love them a lot more after the next patch. I couldn't imagine instance life without totems and heroism.