Yes, the new one won't stack.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Dominian',index.php?page=Thread&postID=108223#pos t108223
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Yes, the new one won't stack.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Dominian',index.php?page=Thread&postID=108223#pos t108223
I think that from a pure pvp point of view this dont affect any much since most of you are using NS right? (im not a pvp'er myself, cant stand the fact that it is so gear based :) )
from a pve view, sure it sucks when you just hit lvl 50 and get the uber totem, i love being able to hit higher lvl mobs without so many resist, so im gonna miss the +hit (yes there is talents with +hit but i like that i can use the points for something else).
Im guessing that we have to adapt to use more different kind of totems, Flametongue Totem with the new +dmg, start to use searing/magma totem some more (this might actully be good), ect.
my biggest concern is will my little girls still be able to run instances without a tank and/or a dedicated healer or do i have to get a tank and a healer...
but we will see, im sure that we will find solutions fairly fast, because we got a great community and people are very good at helping one another, coming with suggestion ect, so i dont have too big concerns, some but not many.
in all honesty, I am bummed about the totem not stacking.
I raid with my guys, and I often stack my group, even in black Temple with my totems and a moonkin or spriest.
for those of you who have never raided anything other than kara, I can see why you wouldn't care. when you bring 4 totems of wrath to a progression raid, life changes. Now, that being said, they still buffed the hell out of shamans but the totem not stacking is a dissapointment among great improvements. However, you HAVE to understand that it is not ONLY our totems which are now raid wide, it is a MULTITUDE of amazing things which will be raid wide. Spriest anywhere in the raid means uber manas for everyone. that in intself is amazing for us, as an elemental shaman we need as much mp5 as we can get to dps effectively.
anyway for pvp who cares, nobody uses ToW for pvp anyway, but for raiding, if there are others who do it regularly with a raid who does BT and Hyjal every week, this is a bit of a bummer. Balanced with a ton of great upgrades though.
I'm not sure if I understand how a grounding totem could change. Groundings don't stack. They each absorb one spell and then go away. You couldn't take away its ability to "stack" since it doesn't exist.
Anyway, I think a shaman team's draw for me was more about them being pretty good at everything and being able to rez, heal, wear a shield, and ranged DPS. So as long as they can still do that, they'll always be a great boxing team.
Don't they sort of stack? I mean when you have tremor totem up it doesn't show as a buff, but when you have you grounding up it shows as a buff. I don't think they can fix the tremor totem too much unless they code it so that only 1 tremor can be out and if someone casts another one the first ones goes away (which i think will be a pain programming, could of things can happen if it isn't programed correctly). If you can stack grounding then i think shams will be in more demand. Think about it the grounding can now be raid wide. You get 10 in your group and no mob can cast non aoe spells on your raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'TheBigBB',index.php?page=Thread&postID=108517#pos t108517
For me the appeal of all-shaman group was exactly what Suvega mentioned... mail armor, heals, self rez, multiple heroisms, burst damage (my previous experience being affliction lock). I did have ToW for part of my levelling but respecced NS at 70 when I started hitting the BG's for S2 gear and while I've missed it and somewhat ok geared now it hasn't been good enough to pull me back to respec, and that would only be my second ever respec on the shaman, lol 5g each, so the cost is not the issue. I use my death ray (EM + NS) when I instance all the time to take down multiple casters in MgT regular.
I think all of this concern about Wrath when it's not even out yet is just pre-expansion jitters, lol. I remember all kinds of crazy worrying before TBC came out too. Seems like Blizzard is making wow even more fun (and somewhat "easier") in Wrath that I don't think we have to worry about it so until after we all get to 80 and see how it plays.
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Originally Posted by 'NoobShammy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=108181#p ost108181
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Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=108213#pos t108213
There's a difference between being bummed about a single totem and being bummed about an entire class.
ToW stacking DID get nerfed. But it ALSO got buffed. Now, if ToW were the same as the old ToW (i.e. 3% hit / 3% crit) and we didn't get talents to compensate for the fact that it will no longer stack, then maybe I could reasonably see a complaint about that particular 41/0/20 spec -- EVEN THEN alot of us shammy teams didn't spec ToW in the first place (going for NS instead) -- I did just fine in PvE without ToW. So it would only impact LEVELING shamans, which by far is not "the point" of having a 5 shaman team.
That's what I'm pointing out -- there's no sense in claiming that the sky is falling for shaman teams when you don't take the big picture into account. I mean, even look at the reaction in the thread -- people started panicking (granted, about Tremor and Grounding which are WAYYYY more justifiable for concern than ToW) when someone cried doom and gloom for shaman comps. If you think logically and look at the big picture, it's actually not so bad.
It seems everyone has forgotten about our shiny new bottom tier talent thunderstorm in the panic as well -- finally, something worth not taking NS for! You can't look at our new trees and tell me that the "nerfs" we're getting aren't being balanced out by things like Thunderstorm, Elemental Oath, and Astral Shift.
I'm just trying to put things into a logical perspective -- math seems to help with that (and I hope my math was accurate, I was doing this while leveling up my lowbies in HFP).
Sorry I came off a bit harsh about it, but he happened to critize my favorite class. ;)
You people and your long winded arguments. I've had to pee since before I started reading and just got finished. For the love of my bladder, in the future, just say QQ less n00b!!111!!one!
GOSH!
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Honestly if you're in BT/MH then the only thing you bring to the group is the 3% crit. That 3% hit is useless because any magic DPS by that time is EASILY hitcapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mokoi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=108486#post10 8486
Thus the new totem (3% crig 6%dmg), is a bonus. A Very nice bonus :)
If you were stacking all the totems in one group for like 12% crit, then your shaman were being wasted :( Horrible raid synergy. Heroisms wasted, and crit being wasted on 1 non-shaman (I.e. one real dps). So I'm assuming your shaman were spread out across 2-3 groups.
lol i know that feeling. I have ADHD and really really slow reading (great a math though) so it is really bad for me. Half the time i read the same sentence over again, then the mind wonders and when i finished i have no clue what i just read. I remember my old job my boss had us read articles in a meeting, well everyone reads fast (i mean they all read for hobbies and speed read), so the first time i read the article and everyone was waiting for me. The second time and every time after that i just stared at the paper and turn the page when everyone else did. DAM my math skills :(Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=108551#pos t108551