Ask a GM, but I think that if you own both accounts, you'll be fine.
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Ask a GM, but I think that if you own both accounts, you'll be fine.
Well, when they come and tell you that you shouldn't be doing that, tell them that you were flagged while at the neutral AH and there is a PvP solution and it is against their policy to interfere. Maybe not.
Seriously though, now that both sides have paladins and shaman, is the neutral AH used for anything else other than gold transfer and faction recipes for the completists?
Bloodstone ore and STV pages but that is about itQuote:
Originally Posted by 'HTeam',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103518#post10 3518
When I abandoned Alliance I moved about 5k gold with of items over a little at a time. Just buy primals or clefthoof leather or any thing that sells reasonably fast for decent amount of money (ore/bars). While you are under 30 you don't need more then 100g or so any ways. If you just do a few things at a time you don't have anything to worry about.
Personally I would never accept the 15% cut. 31,000g*15%=4,650g
I buy items that are more expensive on the faction that I'm trying to transfer my wealth to.
1. Buy a number of low costing level 70 BOE epics or some other item on the side you are moving the money off of.
2. Put the items up on the neutral AH for an extremely low buyout so that you do not incur the 15% AH cut. Buy it up with another toon on another account immediately.
3. Sell it on the faction's side you are trying to move your wealth too.
If you are able to buy low and sell high you will even make a profit while doing this. At the very least buy things that are comparable prices on both sides so as to not lose money in the transfer.
*WARNING* If you are going to transfer items through the AH using a very low buyout you will need to be smart or you can potentially be ripped off.
I would recommend not selling items for a 1c buyout. Anyone can just do a quick search of the AH by lowest buyout and see your 3000g item up for sell for 1c and try to buyout before you do. They would also be "legally" taking your item as it is an AH and you are putting it up for auction.
Few things to do to lessen the risk of getting ripped off.
1. Create 3 macros to use on your neutral AH toons before each set of auctions is made.
/who winterspring
/who tanaris
/who stranglethorn vale .
If there are any level 1-10 toons in these zones I would recommend checking to see if they are near the neutral AHs. I've caught a couple of people over the years using bots to troll the neutral AH to take advantage of people trying to do exactly what we are about to do. All you would need to do to check each AH is to have 1 lowbie near the auctioneers in each town and type /target (name of lowbie). /target has a very long range and can pretty much reach clear across each town. If you can't target them while next to the auctioneers chances are they are nowhere near the AH and you don't have to worry about them ninjaing. I'd be a bit wary of really high level toons as well near the AHs but they aren't normally as much of a problem.
2. Put the item up for a buyout that is high enough to be on the 2nd page of auctions rather than the first. I usually end up putting my auctions up for 10-15s. (15% of 15s is 2s25c. 15% of 3000g is 450g. Just saved yourself rougly 450g assuming you sell the item for 3000g).
3. Before you even make the auction have your 2nd toon already logged on, sitting next to the auctioneer with the auction window open and the name of your auction already in the search window ready to go. As soon as you make your auction, immediately run the search and buy it out with your 2nd AH toon. If you are quick your auctions will never be up for more than 3 seconds. Which even if someone is botting the AH is a very slim chance in hell that someone is going to have the time to rip you off.
I've been doing this for the past 3 years and I've only once actually ever been ripped off and that was because I didn't follow set number 1 :( Some damn level 1 troll in BB named "Ninjasaurex" made off with a few primals. Had I run the /who searches I would of immediately of realized such an obvious bot. :( O well that one was my own damn fault really :P Just reported him for botting and he was gone in a few days. He tried coming back and I reported him again and he was gone before the day was over :P
This however is a process and takes a little bit to set-up the first time and to sell all your goods on the opposite side. So if you have the time and are patient you can save your self quite a bit of gold and perhaps even make some if the circumstances are right.
If you must have your gold quickly then you can always sell your stuff for 5% underpriced on the opposite faction and probably get rid of it all fairly quickly. While still saving yourself some money from the neutral AH cut.
If you mush have your gold now than the only way to do it is to put up a very low level gray on auction for 31000g in the neutral AH, buyout, and take the 15% hit.
Also, one more thing you can do is to just keep the money on the side it's already on and buy w/e you need on that side and transfer it over using the method I mentioned above. Other than repairs, respeccing/training, or buying mounts it doesn't really matter what side you have your gold on.
I would also like to point out, that without official word on whether xfering gold across factions (which I am almost certain is against the ToS) speculating about how to circumvent a system Blizzard has implemented to deny access to a certain feature of the game, should not be discussed here. Vyndree's hammer is about to drop so all those giving advise on how to avoid blizzards AH scans for suspicious auctions should probably stop using this forum as a means to cheat the system.
My advice: level your toons without 20 slot bags and overly expensive twink gear, and have fun getting that gold back on a new team =)
Its not against the ToS, It never has been against the ToS, everyone crying wolf and saying it IS against the ToS is WRONG.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mokoi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103564#post10 3564
Why would they have a neutral AH put in, in the first place? God forbid if people use it to you know....actually BUY stuff off the AH. If they didnt want people buying stuff off a neutral AH, why have THREE in the game in the first place.
Now if your transferring gold in an effort to profit from gold selling, then YES that is against the TOS. But this is clearly not the case here, and everything that has been said so far is fine.
My Advice: Please stop crying wolf, and fearing the wrath of the "V". Someone with some common sense can see this was not an attempt to exploit the system, or anything against the ToS, and just makes you look like a brown nosing little suck up.
Woah there.....don't go overboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mokoi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=103564#post10 3564
Blizzard has stated several times that they did not intend for the neutral AH's to be used like this however they don't mind. Call it clever use of game mechanics. They have also stated if something goes wrong, ie someone ninja's your item, they will not assist.
Tranfering gold cross-faction has been going on using the AH's since release now. Not intended but hardly against the TOS.
I actually did this awhile ago, transferring about 10k gold from Alliance to Horde.
The account that I used to put the stuff up on the Neutral auction house with from Alliance side was banned. The account that received had nothing done to it. The issue is gold farming. Just giving you a heads up, you're most likely gonna get one or two accounts banned if you do it.
The really easy solution to all these problems, as has sort of been discussed already, is buying out 30k worth of nice expensive items that will most likely sell well and just listing them on the neutral auction house. Don't list them for 1 copper. Sell them for very low prices, but not trivially low. Have the account you want to give the money to buy them out and resell on their regular AH. There's absolutely no way that it's against the TOS to simply list items and buy them using accounts under the same name. What will get a ban possibly is listing linen cloth for 30k gold and having the other guy buy it out. You'll also be losing over 4000 gold this way, wheras you lose very little to list 10 mildly expensive items at like 10G each or something. In fact, if you do this correctly, it might be possible to come out of it with MORE THAN 30k gold, as you could strategically buy out only items which will sell higher on the other side.