I have not read every page of this thread. If I was a betting man I would say boxers are being reported by cry babies in the bg's and arenas. You get enough of them reporting you it will draw attention.
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I have not read every page of this thread. If I was a betting man I would say boxers are being reported by cry babies in the bg's and arenas. You get enough of them reporting you it will draw attention.
That seems to be the consensus.
Blizzard's software seems to give suspensions, triggered by the amount of reports.
Sorry to be the dick, but it's a consensus purely based on speculation that holds no ground whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
Rephrase then; that's the best theory, based on available data.
Didn't a lot of people get in their GM responses and emails that they had been reported inactive?? That leads me to believe that it is related to being reported afk by other players. And people do report boxers afk a lot to try and get rid of them. They don't report afk for bots as much as they report afk to try and get rid of nubs/people they dont like.
Considering the bans are not specifically ISBoxer users ("I only used Keyclone and Jamba!"), I would say it has nothing to do with the 2 step. Also, probably fewer people use "the 2 step" method than you realize ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket
People are getting reported AFK or whatever in the battlegrounds, some many times, and this is pretty obviously related to the suspensions/bans. (Not to mention the number of people who have been specifically told by Blizzard that this is related.) Since this is obviously a new thing with people actually getting suspended/banned automatically (I imagine this whole problem is caused by switching AFK reports to automatic review instead of manual review), Blizzard is probably still working on the algorithms that try to decide who is a botter, who is afk, and who is legit. There's supposedly some threshold where you need to attack something in x amount of time, or at least that was the rumor from before this debacle. It's also possible that permanently being on auto-follow might flag you, and so on.
I imagine that AFK reports might be permanent on your accounts, so people who have been doing BGs for a while might be more at risk than someone just starting. I also imagine that when the GMs review your account after you complain about your account getting banned for multiboxing, they might clear out existing AFK reports from your account. But anyone playing in the BGs can still use the AFK report tool if they don't like you, I don't think I see them making it impossible to do that to someone just because it's a multiboxer.
Part of the problem with multiboxers in BGs is, first of all, that some people are bad multiboxers. Say you run 5 and one's a healer, if you decide not to use him to heal then your healer might get reported as AFK... Say your configuration is busted and only one of your guys (e.g. the "main" one) is actually attacking, then 4 of your guys might get reported as AFK. Say one of your guys dies and ends up in a graveyard at the other side of the map, if you don't run him back toward your team, he might get reported as AFK. These are all equivalent to someone playing a character in the BG, and not doing anything, and your teammates may or may not like you...
With that said, I don't specifically know and if I did specifically know they would probably not let me spill any details. These are educated guesses. As always, be a Good Citizen (tm) and they have no reason to want to ban you.
I believe there is another factor and that is SoR accounts. These accounts are being sold from 5-10 dollars each and then being used to bot in huge numbers sometimes by a single person for gold/account selling. There is a rumor that blizz is watching these accounts more and has set the threshold lower.
I am not sure if anyone here is aware how advanced botting has become. The dps routines,way point configs, macro set up and the variables used in combat including cc is amazing, people bot PvE more than pvp. If someone didnt know any better and saw a person muti boxing 4 or 4 botted characters on follow of the same class I am willing to wager they wouldnt know the difference.
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Originally Posted by zenga
Didn't work out that way. People didn't just start reporting multiboxers. They've been doing so since multiboxers existed.
What Lax stated is what I'm talking about. The review of the accounts got moved to some automated system that runs a detection algorithm and that is what is suspending people. It isn't a person. A person investigating would see my team with like names and all mogged gear and laugh it off. Bans and suspensions used to work off of a cycle. Now it seems like the suspensions are all over the place. They definitely automated this part. Now what they automated is unknown. Theoretically it could be they are tracking how often /follow is used, or they could be tracking proximity to other players. Or they could quite simply be looking for X number of /reports. That seems rather simple but it wouldn't surprise me considering the randomness everyone is seeing with it. Some people aren't suspended for weeks while others go a day or two. Something like that in my mind points clearly to the abuse of the /report tool.
Lets think of it this way. Most of us here use Isboxer. Most of us have toons with same names and mogged gear, or so I assume. I'm also sure that some of us are running same class squads too which is pretty obvious that they are chaining GCDs and movement. We aren't all that different from one another so, logically, if the automated detection system bans a player for X number of offenses, and each of us perform X number of offenses similarly we should all be getting the same amount of suspensions. We aren't. So it has to be more reliant on the /report part of it than the automated detection system.
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Originally Posted by Fat Tire
They would because botting is not what multiboxing is today. Multiboxing is much less fluid and appears to the average WoW player as multiboxing. Botting itself is hardly detectable by the eye anymore. Unless the BG is loaded with them. They know when they see multiboxers. Hence the /spit, 'reported' messages and all the other tripe we get from them. They wouldn't bother replying if it were a bot.
I kinda thought maybe the proximity thing and /follow was an issue because the way the bots work today is they do all their normal routines but they follow someone around the map. So there is that proximity thing and the /follow thing most likely as well. I haven't looked at the newer bots but knowing what bots could do back in EQ1, I'd say they are quite advanced now.
I didn't get any suspension/ban.
Isboxer, jamba with strobe follow, no SoR, all same battlenet.
One account is old, others where created when MOP launch.
You have to give us more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baltyre
1. What are you doing? Dungeons, BGs or both?
2. What level are these toons?
3. How often do you interact with other players? Keep in mind the ratios. Not everyone complains or /reports, so the more people you interact with on a daily basis the higher your odds of being reported.
FYI I've not been suspended on any of my toons.
I multibox no Battlegrounds.
I multibox 5 man dungeons on a 5 man team.
I quest open world 5 man.
I sometimes stand in cities figuring out what I'm going to do next. Sometimes I get people who ask questions and some who report, but not many.
Early last year was the last time I 5 boxed any battlegrounds and the complaints were staggering. Even if we were winning and I was top heals and top DPS, people were reporting me. People on my own team, who would vote kick half the squad holding down a node and killing zerg trains.