Thinking of 25 boxing WoW - Not sure about a lot of things

[quote='Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=94030#po st94030]The 3percent crit totem is just for party members.

Assuming movement then comparing instant spells, mage is about 1000 single target damage every 3 seconds. shaman is about the same damage spread over 3 enemies every 6 seconds.

For pure offense mage is still better, unless of course its way overkill and a lot is wasted, which would not be the case with the shamans.[/quote]
[size=9][color=#57595a][font='Trebuchet MS']Seems that they have just fixed the WoA totem - it does now specifically say "Party" and not "Group". There was information that shaman totems would be raid wide, it seems they have fixed this (in respect to WoA).[/font][/color][/size]

The Mages will have a bigger damage output, but fairly simply taking today’s numbers - heavy end game tanks are around 24k life (raid buffed). Mages with fireblast (similar to barrage, but in today’s terminology) do around 1200 damage (quite decent pvp gear).

This means that with 15 mages, and 5 crits from them (Fire mages would usually have around 30% crit), you will "One shot" basically any character out there.

Its believed that barrage will do more damage, and scale better than fireblast has. So to scale that up - I dont see anyone surviving from 15 instants (even the shaman should 1 shot people if there are 15 of them).

The problem here is that your only killing 1 person every 3 seconds. I guess you can thread in fireblast and kill 3 people every 6 seconds, and maybe icelance on the other GCD.

I think you really do need to do a bit of a trial and see what you like. The mages will be viable, IMO, but they wont be very hardy. With this number of Mages, it may even be worth going frost and just icelance spamming people down.

There is a 33/0/38 build that will give shamans full chain heal and up to lightning mastery in elemental (no tow). That would be 24 chain lightning alternating with 24 chain heals, every 6 seconds ... Have to be stationary for 3 seconds of that though. Thats would be some serious serious defensive and very solid offensive.

DK clearly will require lots of micro management to play well to their full abilities. I think a warrior will do most of his mitigation without doing a bunch of things. Ya he brings more to the table, if played properly to his max but with 25 toons its keep it simple.

Looking like female draenei is the way to go considering I have to look at the toons forever ...

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=92045#po st92045

If pbaoe works out to level 80, Ill have no problems getting exp. Iv shakerpaged enough in EQ to know that killing 50 mobs at a time is some of the best exp going. My older guys in EQ have 280 or so days played Ill have no problems putting in the time. Only problem might be higher levels attacking me while I am low and weak just to take up my time.

I cannot possibly see running guys in different places at the same time, there is a limit lol ... running two instances at the same time lol ..

People dont have a good grasp on how much extra exp you get if you can do a group for double while the others help them kill mobs faster: If "rested" works like it does in EQ then I get a good bonus cycleing 5 groups.

Start at about post 87 in this thread

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...t=18187&page=3

Lol this forum is so polite compared to all the others.

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You won't have any problems getting experience as pbaoe will work all the way to level 80 when the expansion is released. However, I'm sorry to inform you, but it will take you at least 2 years of constant playing 16 hours a day for you to get all 25 characters to level 80 (when the expansion is released because you're not going to be making level 70 prior to then). How would I know this? For several reason, one is that I've leveled up 5 characters to level 70 at the same time and it takes a very long time to do this. I'm also working on 15 shamans right now on a PvP realm. They are level 22 so far and I'm anticipating that they will all be about level 55 about November of this year.

I've also boxxed in Everquest 1, you didn't indicate that you were using 1 or 2 of Everquest, but since you didn't put the 2 there, I am guessing you boxxed 24 in Everquest 1. World of Warcraft is VERY very different from Everquest. Some of the things you posted that you were going to do in WoW, don't apply. For example, you mentioned you would wait at a zone in to an instance and kill players as they joined. It doesn't work like that in WoW. In Everquest, you could wait at certain areas for players to join an instance. In WoW battlegrounds, you have a mission to do such as cap a flag or kill enemy bosses at certain areas or carry a flag to the opposing base. The WoW battlegrounds don't exist in Everquest 1, they are kind of like the battles you see in 1st person shooters with flag runs, flag capping, etc. A new player will only join a battleground if someone left or if there was an open slot. So waiting for a player to join thinking you're going to kill them when they do is not feasible.

If you do box 25 characters in WoW, you'll be the highest I've seen so far outside of me boxxing 15. So far I've not heard of anyone that has boxxed more than 10 characters in WoW other than myself. My boxxing days started in Diablo 1 in January 1997. And I boxxed Everquest in March 1999 (four days after it was released). So I can understand what it is you want to do.

I stopped playing Everquest in January 2007 and didn't hear of the 'rested' method you've mentioned. In WoW, there is a rested mode where if you are logged out or standing in an Inn or major city, you accumulate time that is applied to getting double experience later on. If you stand in an Inn or a major city and you camp out, this is the best for accumalating time to getting double experience later on. However, the real pay off is only if you leave them that way for at least a week. Anything less and you get double experience only for a little while when you log in and play. So if you're planning to play all 25 characters at the same time and play them every day, you won't be getting double experience for long and it won't be worth even thinking about.

If you're planning to box 25 characters in WoW, I would suggest that you start with that number. Don't start with 5 and get them to level 70 then another 5 to level 70 because it will take at least twice maybe even times as long to get them all to level 70 than it would if you boxxed all 25 of them. However, as I said before, it will still take you about 2 years to get all of them to level 80. Not only are you going to be learning how WoW works (and how different it is from EQ), but you won't be able to get experience in raid form (at least not be able to get very much anyway) plus you'll need to be in a group to do the quests. If you're in a raid, most quests will not be able to be completed because kills won't count etc. Another thing I would suggest is that you don't do any gathering quests that involve collecting many pieces. There are plenty of quests in the world and once you complete the kill quests and single item gathering quests, you can move on to other locations that have quests at the same level that have more kill and single item gathering quests. Another thing I would recommend is that you don't do any dungeons or PvP until you're at max level (80 for when the expansion is released). This would allow you to focus your time on levelling instead of getting equipment because you won't need equipment if you have 25 characters helping the experience group. You should start with a 10-day free subscription with all of your accounts so that you don't have to set up a subscription until after that time. You'll need to buy the game for all accounts and you'll have 30 days to play them all before you have to start paying the subscription.

There are some very big bugs in WoW that probably will never be fixxed. One of them is the dreaded 'Graphics location bug' as I call it. Players that box in WoW know of this bug very well. It involves you getting hit by some mob that you can't see or that you see way off in the distance and you can't hit him or you'll be at one location with your boxxed group showing on the map at a different location but they are really right next to you. The 'Graphics location bug' shows up mostly when you stop for a little while and then move again. At least that's when it happens to me most of the time. Just letting you know about this so when you box in WoW, you're prepared and can handle it. If a mob is hitting you that you can't see, look around corners or off in the distance and you might see him hitting something that isn't there. The best thing to do is either run away or run to where you see him hitting on nothing then you can attack him there.

I would highly suggest you use Octopus or Keyclone as your keyboard replication software. This will drastically help in multiboxing in WoW. I didn't use anything like them for years in Diablo 1 or Everquest 1 or even WoW until a few months ago. Having separate keyboards will work for multiboxing but keyboard replication software helps tremendously in getting things done.

Another suggestion is that you box all 25 shamans. Why shamans? For several reasons. One is that they can all heal. Another is they can all cast direct damage spells or AOE. They all have a few instant cast spells. They all wear Chain (after level 40). They all get ghost wolf form at level 20 (allows faster movement). They all can rez or do their own instant rez (with a reagent). They will all be able to put down 4 totems each at high levels. They will all be able to cast a fire or earth elemental at later levels. In contrast to the mage, the mage wears cloth armor, has direct damage and AOE spells, but doesn't have rez nor heals nor ghost wolf form. The mage has a water elemental later in levels. All in all, the shaman is the best class (in my humble opinion of course) to multibox in World of Warcraft. I would also suggest starting your characters on a PvP realm. If you decide later to move to a non-PvP realm, it will cost $25 per character to move, however if you start your characters on a non-PvP realm, you cannot move them to a PvP realm.

Auto-follow in WoW works 10 times better than it does in Everquest. Macros in WoW work 10 times better than Everquest also. However, the most annoying bug in WoW to me is one where your main that you're assisting doesn't have a target and all your clones do an assist from him (either using his name or focus) and the clones chose random targets nearby. It should be such that if your main doesn't have a target your clones should not get a target when you assist him. Another bug in WoW that is very annoying is that the key labeled 'Target nearest enemy' doesn't always target the nearest enemy. It usually targets something directly in front of you, but it can also target mobs in back of you or to your sides. Everquests 'target nearest enemy' was flawless and I got used to that. With WoW, it's bugged out bad and if you're like me, you don't use the mouse to target mobs in battle, you use the keyboard.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. Good luck and if you do choose to play shaman, choose Orc, they are solid! :-) But if you decide mage is the way you're going to do, definitely choose undead. Whatever you do, please don't choose Alliance!

I just dont think you pack the punch you want until you get to Elemental Oath/Lightning Overload (current beta Talents)

On the flip side, Natures Blessing and Blessing of the Eternals will increase the healing amount in a big way.

There has also been discussions about Druids getting a CoH style heal, which may even be better than CoH/Chain Heal. I nearly wonder if it isn't worth taking one of each (Priest and Druid), with 3 fully resto shaman to have 5 dedicated healers, this will give you some healing on the move (just bind the CoH and Flourish with the Chain heal button, and if they are moving, the chainheals wont go off).

This will also provide additional buffs to add damage and survivability to the group, as well as the druid possibly adding +heal received by the group. This doesn’t mean that the resto's wouldn't use LB, and that the others wouldn't heal. If that was the proposal, that would suggest 1 Reto Duid, 1 Prot Pally, 1 Holy/Disc Priest, and 22 shaman Resto/Elemetal.

At that rate its nearly worth looking at swapping the Priest for another Resto Druid, and the pally for a feral druid. You could then spec the Shaman into Instant Ghost Wolf, the Druids would take travel form, and the Feral "Tank" would use improved cat form - moving your group faster than normal while in combat.

I really think you need to have a look at the game, see how the interactions work, see how you handle combat in motion, and how the characters "follow" then decide if you can handle the 2.5 sec cast on frostbolt/lightning and if you would instead go for instant spells.

Maybe the Mage/Shaman setup is coming back around.

Cant get elemental Oath with 34. Will have all 5 in Lightning Overload though.

I get improved chain heal 2, and Purification with 37, and 5 of tidel mastry, no natures blessing or blesisng of the eternals ... Maybe there is better ways:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...03530002000000

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This would allow you to focus your time on levelling instead of getting equipment because you won't need equipment if you have 25 characters helping the experience group

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That is so true ... Levels is more important then anything.

Well have to log in at 3 am to get my PHAT LOOTZ from LGuK in EQ1 - will finsih later

Gotta think on present content. And present content, where u can put all 25chars to use is on AV, a 40 man Battleground, where u pretty much could turn the tide of battle, but like Zin said, u can only put Queue on party, thats 5 man (u can use and addon to try and q more at the same time, but it takes time)

Classic WoW allowed raids of 40 men, u dont have that now. U wouldnt take much advantage of having 25 toons - dont get me wrong, is a lot of power and will - but u wont have fun IMO. No one will be near u to get instakilled.

I'll try to make it simple according to what i think u are looking for, and what i think:
u won't take advantage of that power unless in some strange, huge ocasion like a world event or a gathering, something that happens like once a year. the idea is impressive, but the leveling would be so hard, and the 70 content available to a man boxing 25 soooooo little, that the effort wouldnt be worth it.

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93125#po st93125

Why are these people complaining about mages so much:

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It is the WoW forums, there are always people complaining about something. Either their own class is underpowered, or another class (or all of the other classes) are overpowered, or any other thing that they can find to whine about.

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Originally Posted by 'samfan',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93381#post93 381

No, it's not a troll post. Sam is genuine. He has lots of computers hanging from chains in his dungeon, weirs a loincloth / codpiece and brags about hookers and concert tickets. Look him up on the internet if you don't believe me.

I'm saying he is not really looking for discourse. He is looking to share a bit of his glory with you. He knows nothing about WoW, but I guarantee that soon enough any shred of "Sam the Beginner" will be a hazy memory while the infinite SAM DA MAN will reign supreme.

It takes a while of slogging through his references to EQ macros working in WoW to think that he really has that large of an ePeen, but you'll get the drift soon enough. Make way for Sam.



"Why would you bother?" quickly turns to "That's not really relevant." I kid you not, this forum will see a "Highest Burst DPS" thread in the near future, on some frivolous target, with the claims that noone else has even come close to it.

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I think this forum is much more tolerant of "look at me, see what I did!" type of posts. It's one of the things that most of us like about it, seeing what another person has managed to do via multiboxing. Sam's posts in other forums (the FoH forums are the ones I have in mind) were not really a fit for those forums, they were often more general in terms of subject matter and there was little or no interest in what he was doing with 6, 12, or 500 characters. Here, that is the whole reason for the forums, seeing what we can achieve with multiple characters. If he wants to crown himself king of DPS or king of HKs or king of getting camped by the opposite faction, no one here is going to care enough to start long flame threads. I think people will be interested in seeing how he did whatever it is he is boasting of doing.

In other words, it's like he's come home*.




*And that is a line that will surely generate more ridicule than the universe can handle!

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93728#po st93728

Well right now I am leaning to 8 restro shaman for tremmor totams and chain healing max talents, for my defensive. and 1 war for tank and 16 mages for offensive.

Just can't see priests given how the chain heal is just so great for multi boxers.

And I am hoping that with 16 mages killing mobs instantly that some locations where mobs are not ususaly killed insantly might be found newly to respawn instantly. Thats all complete speculation though.

Right now working on switching clients without keyclone but ...
also not sure how yet how to reduce background clients rendering without keyclone either heh ...

Maybe a dumb version of keyclone that does not allow broadcasting (and thus would be less objectionable over the long term), but just allows switching and control of background and foreground rendering speeds (like WinEQ) might be considered.

That Jumpkeys might be the ticket, at least for switching.

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You might want to look into the "ease of use" of Paladin tanks over Warrior for multi-boxing purposes.
And when it comes to power leveling, a Paladin is best from level 40+.

I just did Zolo on my 2nd poorly geared 70 Paladin and it does the job great.

I've tested just my 70 just this weekend with a 43 Shaman who exhausted his exp bonus. In a 22 minute Zolo fight, I got 78k exp for the 43 Shaman.

Then it got rediculous when I added 3 lowbie Paladins from 38 to 41 in the mix. Each Paladin was taking turns casting DI so after the 3rd DI, I would kill Zolo because I've exhausted 3 shields and my armor's durability was close to 0. My 3rd paladin went from 38 to 50 over 2 "sessions" of Zolo.

Check out Semihrage in The Underbog US for the crappy gear of this paladin tank that p-levels in Zolo Sunken Temple.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...og&n=Semihrage

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Originally Posted by 'Xzin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93921#post9392 1

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Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93907#pos t93907

And every day you will find plenty of people who will do nothing more than hunt your team down and kill you, over and over and over.

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I disagree. It will be more likely that nobody goes near him as he can 1 shot entire groups. But who world PvPs anyway? BGs? Good luck getting them all in AV.

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25 targets is a nice HK farm. I know I'd send my 4-box team if I see him in a BG.