Its clearly stated camping is "NOT" Agaisnt the rules those GM's your talking about can and would be firedQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86828#post 86828
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Its clearly stated camping is "NOT" Agaisnt the rules those GM's your talking about can and would be firedQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86828#post 86828
Repeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment, either physical or verbal, is against the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'homerjunior',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86953#p ost86953
"The bottom line is that we want World of Warcraft to be a fun and safe environment for all players."
You're wrong.
If anyone wants to test your theory that excessive camping on a pvp server can't get you suspended/banned, send me a pm and I'll make a new character on your server so you can camp me all day. We can see who gets banned first.
Ongoing Harassment
The Ongoing Harassment policy does not apply when there is a PvP
resolution available, as physical confrontations are considered a facet
of PvP combat and players in opposing factions are unable to
communicate verbally. Characters have the ability to address their
conflicts through combat and GMs will only involve themselves in extreme or excessive circumstances.
http://us.blizzard.com/support/artic...rticleId=20455
You should try reading more.
The only reason that is there is that they have an excuse to do it if it ever needs to be done. It still doesn't mean they actually come in game and stop corpse camping as its not nice.
Can you give some evidence to back this up? Like forum posts about people told to stop corpse camping? Because thats what this guy is doing. I mean ongoing pve encounter griefing, maybe, holding cities ransom for days, maybe, but corpse camping? You keep argueing we are all wrong, but put forth no evidence yet. Your arguement would be an awful lot tighter if you did.
Here. No part of the story changed. Level 70 camping you for days, not letting you leave a city.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8...8103740xo7.jpg http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5...8103745rn0.jpg
ownd
Don't want to try your luck camping me on your main for an excessive amount of time?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ifalna',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87119#post87 119
Even in your pics he says he would never be so blunt. If it is excessive, even he would do it. He's also just placating you in that convo.
My god your rediculous.
Really fantastic first impression your making. Still waiting for some evidence from you that you refuse to actually show.
In fact, fuck it, I wont waste my time, the height of your arguementative skills so far have been " Because I said so" so fair enough, Im sure your right despite your factless arguement. Its like talking to a cranky little teenager.
He cant be so blunt he has no right to give a 100% positive answer policys change all the time. For example blizzard would " NEVER" Give a single player and advantage right? Remeber the dieing boy who got the s2 Bow named after him and free gearQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87144#post 87144
This is not the wow forums. You want to be an arrogant asshole knowitall- you can access them at forums.worldofwarcraft.com
This is what I'm refering to.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87091#post 87091
He was replying that he wouldnt be so blunt as to say "you have options to stop them, so use them" but that is actually the case. " I would never be so blunt, but yes".
So now your talking for the gm that expressly said they would not in that EXACT situation the op is in. Jesus F Christ this is sad.Quote:
If it is excessive, even he would do it.
Gm: We will not interfere in this situation.
Naysayer: The gm will interfere, they are lieing.
Mmhmm. If you cannot at least stop and comprehend what is right in front of you in clear text, then please, as was said earlier, return to the wow forums with the rest of the population of ignorant know it alls, you can argue till your blue in the face with them about who is right and wrong in a given situation where no one has the slightest clue what they are talking about anyway. Its epeen-tastic.
Not because the policy is changing all the time, but because the policy already says they can take action in extreme or excessive instances. Are you guys really that bad at reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'homerjunior',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87151#p ost87151
"oh wait naysayur it only sayzes that becuz they need a way to b able to do soumthin in extreme or excessiv instunces"
/palmface
Why would they put those words in "in extreme or excessive instances" if they wouldn't or couldn't step in?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ifalna',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87155#post87 155
You keep skipping that part.
Absolute troll.
I'm a troll because you disagree with me. Yeaaaaaahhhhh suuure.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ifalna',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87166#post87 166
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...60161&sid=1#12
A larger poll audience.
"there have been GMs on both sides of the issue."
It's hard to get direct answers because they are all too busy calling campers no life losers. i loled.
A thread on the WoW forums answers the corpse camping issue. Basically someone says a guildies alt was warned by a GM for camping over an hour and a blue poster says it never happened.
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I don't see any warning having been issued, and the account has not had any action taken against them for corpse camping. Game Masters do not intervene in situations of repeated killing of the opposing faction on Player vs. Player realms - it is fair game and a completely within the PvP Server Policy (http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowgm/?id=agm01654p).
A Game Master may step in if there is some type of exploitive behavior occurring, but it would not be to address the 'corpse camping' but to handle the abusive or exploitive action.
Folks, feel free to kill members of the opposite faction to your heart's desire - happy hunting. :o)
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From: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&pageNo=16#305
When does selective camping turn into harassment though? The rules change when harassment is mentioned, and is the reason the mention extreme and excessive instances, so I'd like to see a GM response about that. If it's the same, I'll concede and consider gm intervention to be inaccurate practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'BGuru',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87172#post871 72
Corpse camping is never considered excessive or extreme on a PVP server.
Here is a quote from a blue post:
I'm aware that you weren't really after a Game Master response here. However I wanted to tell you that I sympathize, and to clarify our policies on the matter.
It is correct that we will not take action if someone is corpse camping you on a PvP realm - ever (and on PvE realms it is not an issue). This is something we consider to be resolvable by players themselves by PvP means. However, if a player is exploiting terrain in neutral towns to avoid guard aggro we do have policies in place to deal with it. To quote myself after someone helpfully linked a previous thread on the matter:
Q u o t e:
[...] in Outlands it is acceptable to use any terrain to gain advantage in world PvP, unless this involves abusing glitches or "blind spots" in neutral towns or other areas with guards on duty. Attacking a player anywhere within the borders of such a town should cause the guards to retaliate.
I would also like to remind everyone to keep the thread constructive and to the point. Attempting to determine other players' motivation by involving insults or inappropriate language will have consequences that affect your posting privileges, and may also lead to the closure of the thread.
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From: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....=1&pageNo=5#82
Keep reporting him, that means that he is working his way up the penalty volcano. First offense is three hours, so all it probably did was piss him off even more. While GMs typically consider PvP to be an "anything goes" deal and usually will tell people to find their own solution, they will take action against people for harassment. Corpse camping and griefing is allowed, but there is a point where they WILL take action.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zite83',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86770#post86 770
And also... find some people sympathetic to your cause to help you out and make his life even more miserable. Is there no one on your server you can ask for help?
While leveling my first shaman to 60 I picked a server, the ratio was something like 4 to 1 alliance, I was horde. I got ganked every 5mins. So one day my friend and I went to red ridge to burn off some steam and this warrior geared to the bone 1/2 shot each of us. Ever since the day, anytime my friend or I logged on he would come hunt us down and camp us. He must of had a Horde spy account.
I finished my the rest of my 2 levels hiding in Burning steps in caves, he never found me XD. There's lots of places to hide and level. Even when leveling the locks I had 2 70 rouges that liked to camp me a bit. I couldn't kill them because cloak of skill and only being 40.
Got a blue response.
They seem to swing both ways, which would lead me to believe that if you page a GM enough, you'll eventually get results and the camper will be banned/suspended if it's excessive enough. Four days is certainly excessive imo.Quote:
Message by
Aredek
Blizzard Poster:
To be clear, please read over our support article regarding this very subject:
Player vs Player Server Policy
http://us.blizzard.com/support/artic...rticleId=20456
I've underlined a few of the more important pieces of information to help clarify.
I'd suggest not taking this act of vengeance too far.Quote:
Q u o t e:
We are unable to assist with the following issues:
Actions that would typically be considered "dishonorable" are considered legitimate PvP tactics and will not be addressed by our Game Master (GM) staff. "Dishonorable" actions include, but are not limited to:
* Corpse camping.
* Tricking players into getting flagged for PvP (i.e. jumping in the middle of another player's area effect spell).
* Killing players well below your level.
Ongoing Harassment
The Ongoing Harassment policy does not apply when there is a PvP resolution available, as physical confrontations are considered a facet of PvP combat and players in opposing factions are unable to communicate verbally. Characters have the ability to address their conflicts through combat and GMs will only involve themselves in extreme or excessive circumstances.
IMPORTANT
* This policy contains exceptions to the policies currently being enforced on all servers.
* Though this policy reflects a somewhat "hands-off" approach, the GM staff will intervene in cases of extreme or excessive harassment.
* Policies governing general decency are still in effect. Actions such as inappropriate names, obscene language, and spamming will be addressed as on any other server
In this specific case, you also have to remember he's using a spy account. He's already been dinged for crossteaming, so if he starts showing up consistently in your zone, let them know about that as well.
4 days of being camped .... that Mage has no life ....
But depending on his gear once you hit your mid to late 50's you will actually have a fighting chance against him.
Revenge is a dish best served cold as they say...
Get an addon like VanasKOS, add him to it...level up, come back and camp him for 4 days solid.
Payback is a bitch! :P
Cheers,
S.
The very first thing on the 'Report a problem screen' says something along the lines of 'The following are not considered harassment: corpse camping', I've always assumed that to mean that killing a player over and over again is a perfectly legit tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86858#post 86858
Corpse camping is NEVER harassment as far as Blizzard is concerned (AFAIK).
This mage was playing by the rules, you, with your multibox setups, are playing by the rules, start questioning one and you'll have to question everything.
At least he's not whining on the forums!
Unlike someone who started a thread, didn't like the response he got and ran back to another forum taking posts out of context to try and paint that forum in a bad light.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87380#p ost87380
"This mage was playing by the rules, you, with your multibox setups, are playing by the rules, start questioning one and you'll have to question everything "
No logic in that particular argument. (can I just ask, do you multibox, because you seem to dislike the whole concept, so it kind of makes me wonder why you are really on this forum?)
However ultimately it is a blizzard rule (I'm sure they've given it a huge amount of thought)- and I'm sure they've had many people questioning it and it stands therefore it should be accepted.
(wow - if only the anti multiboxers could see reason like this).
Personally that's why I would never roll on a PVP realm. I like the idea of being able to choose when I fight, and would rather not give narrow minded, emotionally stunted morons the ability to ruin my enjoyment of the game. Although I must admit that it must be a great feeling having levelled to 70 despite the fools, to revisit every single one of them and return the favour x 5. I'm sure they wouldn't whine on the forums when that happens.
Look passed the "first thing" on the report a problem screen and you'll see notations for exceptions. Customer service Blue named Aredek says you're wrong and you can be banned if it's excessive.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87380#p ost87380
Damn quoters.
Up until that point all I'd seen of his drivel was: "This post by: RobinGBrown (Today, 10:11am) is hidden, because you ignore user RobinGBrown."
8o
It's not really as bad as most pvp server players make it out to be. If you're passive then about 95% of all your encounters with the opposing faction pre-70 is non-aggressive and I'd say 50% at 70. If you're aggressive then you can stir up a hornets nest and have small wars over parts of the map quite often. I'd say only every so often you'll get a dope like the mage in the OP and/or people who camp you for no reason. Really, only a very small percentage (probably 1%) of your leveling time is spent in unwanted pvp contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=87390#post8 7390
I'd actually say it's harder to level on pve servers due to the fact that there is no worry about pvp and it's much harder to get quests done when there's lots of people around. On a pvp server, you can remove the opposing faction from your spot if you're inclined to do so. A little off track here, but I used to be against pve to pvp tranfers simply because of the gear differential (pve servers being far more advanced gear-wise), but now that resilience matters and decent gear can be obtained through pvping I'm all for it. More people, more pvp.
It can be a bit annoying to level on a PvE server if other players are trying to complete the same quest, but most of the time it is not bad. Leveling on a PvP server isn't all that bad as long as you avoid the obvious ganking hot spots or can level at odd hours (I can log in for about 30-45 minutes in the morning before I leave for work, and there is usually no one around). It depends on your server, of course. My hunter (who dinged 60 just this morning) was ganked about... 4 or 5 times, usually by level 70s running by who stopped to kill me then went on their way. Two 70s only killed my pet (no idea why) and left me alone. Yesterday a level 70 hunter left me alone in Silithus, as did the lowbie group he was helping.
The downside of a PvP server as a multiboxer is that you get more than the usual amount of attention, and if you happen to catch the eye of one of those MB haters who happens to have less of a life than they accuse us of having, they can spend a lot of time ganking you. On PvE servers it is usually your own faction that is the problem, constantly sending you tells and displaying their lack of intelligence. But I prefer to level via instances when I MB, so I haven't had any trouble. I do want to complete some Outland quests for my MB team before heading into the first instance there, PLing them with my shaman left them with mediocre gear.
Look, the bottom line is this. Corpse camping is NOT aganist the rules. Harrasement is. Harrasement is also subjective in these types of situations. Depending on the GM, time of day and phase of the moon, you may get different opinions on if this type of action is considered Harrasement. Not because of the corpse camping itself, but because of little "extra" things the guy was doing (i.e. /whispers on a level 1 toon on opposite faction, stalking, etc
You are all right and wrong so kiss and make up or go to the general forums :D
PS: Who let RobinGBrown back in :(
EDIT: DAMNIT, just realized I necro'd this thread from yesterday. WHOOPS.
TLDR
You said that you identified a level 1 alt, that he was using to track you, correct? This IS a violation, and is the primary reason you cannot roll both horde and alliance toons on the same server, on the same account. Having /who information on the opposing faction IS an unfair advantage.
I have reported many people for doing this, and have never heard back from them. Normally these attempted greifers are so unimaginitive, they use a similar name on their alt used to track me, or are dumb enough to begin verbally harassing me.
My favorite was the 70 hunter who tried to gank my shaman when we were 66. He tried and tried and tried (5 or 6 times iirc) but kept failing >.< So he created a toon named Bovidaesucks (or something to that effect) He spammed me, he spammed trade chat, he got reported, and was removed from my friends list, because "that character no longer exists" GG
Hey Zite!
First things first: Intall a blacklist addon for WoW and add these people to your blacklist. I use this one:
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/6119/
This addon is very handy, as you can later have some fun with the people that were harassing you before. The addon gives you a text/sound warning when you target someone that is on the BL.
A second thing to do - as you seemed to do more or less - is to face your character in different directions, respawn and then press the (broadcasted) autorun button. This way they are running away from each other and the sad ganker can never kill them all before they are separated. When you resurrect next time, you should be able to hearthstone most of your characters away.
The next step is to get some low-level(or friend) Warlock to summon your other character as soon as he respawns.
Usually when I get ganked, I ask a friend for help and we get our 70s to kill these sad players.
This. Stealthy and Azq have both had to come save my ass quite a few times. =PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Stealthy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86833#post 86833
VanasKoS is an ACE mod and has a lot of great features to aid in getting revenge on the people who have ganked you or your friends!
Well, I read most of the posts. To the original poster who had camping problems, you will eventually get higher. Something to look forward to. I got ganked so many times while levelling that I lost count. I learned from those encounters by how they killed me. Whether it was being camped or just in numbers, I took note. I also kept a log on who was camping/ganking me.
This is how I would deal with this problem on anybody ....if they kill you because your lower...KOS list....same level as you and its fair PVP..no KOS list...GANKERS...KOS list..you get the idea.
KOS list also can mean...Kill on sight ANYONE who in their guild...KOS also means anyone who was with the perpetrator when the evil deed was done.
Some people like to add insults with emotes and dances. I never TALK during PVP and after PVP. I think it adds a little mystique to the character when you do this. GLOATING IMO doesnt make it better but ACTIONS speak louder than words....in other words you kill him over and over will definitely make a point. When you kill him and his buddy that tried to help also will make a statement. When you kill him and 5 of his buddies who try to help will also make a point.
I say this because I had a case where I got ganked by lvl 70 who was helping the other toons that were my level. But they needed help from the 70 in order to kill me. So, I got my friend a lvl 70 to help out. I asked him to only take out the other 70 if he came around. I would take care of the rest. Needless to say, we cleaned friggin house and then some. We wouldnt even let them get to the FP. I PKed those guys so many times that some of them just logged. I made my point by dealing with them my way. They knew not to mess with The Zerg. As mentioned in an earlier post, The Zerg can and will retaliate against you and your whole frickin guild. 8o
Just dont get discouraged when you get ganked or camped. Thats just part of PVP. Try to get help and if that dont happen then log and do something with other toons. Eventually you can take care of business when your his level. Keep track of those names who PK you ?? levels. FYI I can usually PK anyone who is 9 levels near my level. At level 54 I took out my first level 70. When you level 61(9 from 70) you can probably go 70 hunting without any problems. :cursing:
9 levels higher, you say?
Have you ever heard of the resist mechanic? Landing a spell on anything 9 levels higher than you would be impressive, never mind actually killing it. 56 vs 70??? roflmao pics or it didn't happen.
This isn't all that uncommon. At 56 I got ganked by a 70 hunter and when I respawned he taunted me a bit. I did a lightbolt, cl + shock and he was half hitpoints. I didn't kill him because he quickly took out my dudes who were in sm gear but the point remains that resist mechanics are not as extreme as you think they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Bovidae',index.php?page=Thread&postID=88791#post8 8791