Well Im not a lawyer so cant argue the legality, I just know there were a ton of news reports last year of EULA's coming under legal attack. Im sure they are available through google somewhere for those that are interested.
Well Im not a lawyer so cant argue the legality, I just know there were a ton of news reports last year of EULA's coming under legal attack. Im sure they are available through google somewhere for those that are interested.
Warning: Opinion follows
It seems to me that the whole account sharing ban was originally conceived to protect an accounts integrity, and to combat 24/7 farming (aka Chinese farming). Thus actioning accounts used by ones spouse/sibling/roomate is a little extreme. It feels against the spirit of the game.
I would guess that a majority of account holders feel the same way, but only speak to the contrary, due to the sheer virtue that it is against the rules.
Is it really reasonable that an account can be closed because I let my friend control my character, from my desk, just to check it out? According to the TOS (and apparently many of you) my characters should burn in hell for such blasphemy..... and that's just unnecessary.
And they wouldn't. You'd be able to reopen the account as the rightful account holder. Giving the account information to your friend so they can level while you work or do arena for you would probably get your account rolled back, toon deleted or gear removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Bovidae',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84269#post8 4269
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sarduci',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84283#post8 4283
Let's not guess what is and isn't within the "spirit of the game". Only Blizzard can say what that is. And I agree, it's sucky to have something so vague in the rules.
Another part of the reason why account sharing isn't allowed is because you're supposed to be able to have an equal opportunity compared to other players. Granted, RL will get in the way and some people won't have as much time to play than others, but if you allow account sharing -- even as minute as "letting a friend check it out" -- then you're opening the floodgates to shared accounts where people can play almost 24/7 and achieve more than the average user would be able to.
If you want to "let a friend check out the game" you can very easily get them a trial key without compromising your own account.
Actually, the Swiss RCE now called Entropia Universe ( formally known as Project Entropia ) was way before Second Life. They would allow transfer/sale of accounts as long as you jumped through all their hoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84203#post8 4203
Everquest enforced it quite rigidly....didn't stop account sharing amongst guildmembers (AN would never have had the world firsts we did if people didn't share) but it was clamped down on hard at times, and god help you if you got hacked and needed a restore with logs showing two significantly different ip's at times :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84212 #post84212
I played eq for a year or so... my brother and I both swapped accounts many times, and account sales were rampant.
They didnt hunt you down and ban you for playing your familys account... blizzard does.
In all technicality, BLIZZARD doesn't necessarily hunt anyone down. It's the player reports. Players report you, and Blizzard investigates. Account sharing is one of the EASIEST things to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84530#pos t84530
And how often do multiboxers get reported?
One thing I've seen popping up several times, is the misconception of a minor playing on your account...
Yes, if you are the legal guardian of a minor, you can setup an account for him/her to play on. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT F****** PLAY IT YOURSELF! The rule of 1 person playing an account STILL applies. You setup the account for your son to play wow ? Then it's your son who plays wow, not you. You need to buy your own account.
This misconception keeps popping up. Simply put: you CANNOT accountshare with ANYONE, not even your offspring.
Just stop worrying about what you can or cannot do, it's simple as hell: Your name on the account, you play. Anything else is a no-go.
/Mwu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwuanno',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84647#post84 647]Yes, if you are the legal guardian of a minor, you can setup an account for him/her to play on. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT F****** PLAY IT YOURSELF! The rule of 1 person playing an account STILL applies. You setup the account for your son to play wow ? Then it's your son who plays wow, not you. You need to buy your own account.
This misconception keeps popping up. Simply put: you CANNOT accountshare with ANYONE, not even your offspring.[/quote]
Incorrect.
Key word here is "and".
[url]http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html[/url]
[quote='termsofuse
Of course, if you're concerned you can always contact the customer service forums and get clarification on this policy. But as I read it, you are allowed to create an account for yourself AND one minor child. Not "or".
I'm sorry for baiting you, but I was hoping you'd say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84334#post8 4334
How is rolling a level 1 trial account going to sell a person on this game? 5 minutes on my T6 mage has converted dozens of friends from EQ/EQ2/SWG/Vanguard/Halo and many more. Not to mention that you have to download nearly 3gb of patches just to be able to roll that lvl1 troll, so you can go out and get a crit for 6 dmg.
This has always been one of my pet peeves about Blizzard, this game is not friendly to new installs.
But the thing is your account is the way that you want to play it, not your friend's way. If they have no clue on how stuff working they probably get confused and frustrate and not play. There is a lvl 1 so you get to learn the game easier. Plus what happens when they die on your main with t6. It just cost you a couple gold to repair your stuff, or if they sold some of your stuff by mistake then you are screwed
actually 5 minutes on a lvl 1 got me out of guild wars and FFXI. I found wow a more enjoyable gameQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Bovidae',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84873#post8 4873
They can still watch you play your t6 mage. After all, you'd be better at playing it than they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Bovidae',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84873#post8 4873
I got into WoW by watching Suvega lead MC/BWL/AQ raids. I wouldn't have known wtf to do if he would've handed me the keyboard, but I still found it enjoyable to see what the endgame would be like.
For those who don't know, my first 60 dinged 2 weeks before Burning Crusade. I still regret not being able to participate in the 40-man content.
They can still play the trial account on your computer. They don't have to install the game+patches on their own computer unless they want to.Quote:
Not to mention that you have to download nearly 3gb of patches just to be able to roll that lvl1 troll, so you can go out and get a crit for 6 dmg.
What Suvega did was burned all the patches he had downloaded (they get placed within your C:\program files\world of warcraft folder) onto a CD-R. He handed me his install disks and the patches and I was able to just install them straight off the disks and patch from his patches with no download time. Of course, I intended to play the game even after the trial period so it was worth it to me to install. If it's just a "hey look and see" moment, I see no reason why they couldn't log in with their trial account name/password on your computer.
It's only as friendly as you want it to be.Quote:
This has always been one of my pet peeves about Blizzard, this game is not friendly to new installs.
You're not telling me that you still download all WoW patches individually for all your multibox machines? Or do you download them once and xfer them over the network to the other machines?
Oh no, I've got my setup in order, and has been for many years. But when I built my new machine, or helped others set up theirs, I had to have a 20 pack, because a getting from 1.12 -> 2.4 is not for the uninitiated.
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Originally Posted by Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84854#post84 854]
[quote='Mwuanno',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84647 #post84647]Yes, if you are the legal guardian of a minor, you can setup an account for him/her to play on. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT F****** PLAY IT YOURSELF! The rule of 1 person playing an account STILL applies. You setup the account for your son to play wow ? Then it's your son who plays wow, not you. You need to buy your own account.
This misconception keeps popping up. Simply put: you CANNOT accountshare with ANYONE, not even your offspring.[/quote]
Incorrect.
Key word here is "and".
[url]http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html[/url]
[quote='termsofuse
Of course, if you're concerned you can always contact the customer service forums and get clarification on this policy. But as I read it, you are allowed to create an account for yourself AND one minor child. Not "or".[/quote]
I stand corrected. I originally found this information on the forums, however, the interpretation there was, that it was not allowed.
However: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/legal/termsofuse.html
Relevant section quoted here:
In case you establish an Account for your child, you understand and accept that, it is your responsibility as the legal guardian to determine whether World of Warcraft is appropriate for your child. You may not share the Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account when not in use by you. You are liable for all uses of the Account that has been enabled by you. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, you acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interest in the Account.
My mistake, your (1) child can indeed play on your account, when not in use by you.
Trust Vyndree to weed out the silly posters mistakes ;)
Hey, you guys fix my math mistakes. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mwuanno',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84895#post8 4895
I get to be your ToU/Eula proofreader and you get to smack me upside the head when I turn 0.04% into 4% by accident.
They don't, but if you're reported, and they have to investigate you, they will open the account information for all the 5 accounts you're using.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84178#post 84178
As an example.. There are approximately 350 game masters covering the european market, including seniors, and the starting salary is between 19 and 22000 euro per year depending on experience. (Customer service experience, not wow or gaming experience)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84180#pos t84180
Someone do the maths please.. that's not mys trongest side. :P
thats 7.7mill a year
something tells me that I've been doing something very wrong... :whistling:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84880#post8 4880
/looks for the search button again
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'gbremset',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85115#post 85115
Thx for proving my point guys.whats that 1-2 % With 10 million accounts worldwide I'm sure the revenue is staggering .Then the card games wow gear ect.... they probably invented multiboxing :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85229 #post85229
I can't believe people are still talking about this.
It really is *this* fucking simple.
If you play one account, are not the original owner and bought it, the chances are you probably won't get caught.
If you multibox several accounts with diffrent info, you are *FUCKING ASKING FOR IT* doesn't matter if its for a kid W/E it still looks bloody suspicious.
Actually, this thread was derailed days ago. It is now about the economy of Blizzard.