it was NOT the community.. it was a very small handful
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it was NOT the community.. it was a very small handful
I didn't really wanna post in this thread again, but...
I'd still like to know who it was who accused her of wintrading and such...having opinions is fine but privately bothering her about repeatedly it is something different altogether. Was it at least a member we know is a member and not some new signups that're probably trolls/her opponents/past arena partners that did it just to grief her/start drama?
She has a blog to defend herself with/on as well...and could have just PM'd these people back. Was a public post necessary? Maybe, who knows. THE POINT IS IT IS DONE. If one of you wants to do something about it, track her down and ask her to come back and ignore the fools who pissed her off. DO something about it, you all can /sign all you want, petitions never get a damn thing done, action does :P Go get her! You're supposed to chase after a woman when she runs out on you anyways, lol, not sit there and argue with your friends about it
If she wants an apology...I'll apologize for my profanity, but not for my views, because they are mine damnit :P She doesn't like my views that's fine, that's her views and she can have 'em too. Doesn't mean she has to abandon the rest of you :p
Maybe because Vyn has done more to champion our cause with Blizzard and clarify and confirm that what we do is legal, and draw clean cut lines that we need to stay within to remain legal, than anyone else that I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'd0z3rr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57587#post57 587
What Xzin is to hardware boxing Vyndree is to the politics lobby of boxing.
This is what is boils down to guys...
If it is legal and has been confirmed legal by the game producers, makers, game reps or whatever, your views on it to be right or wrong are not welcome.
It's the same whole debate that normal Warcraft players have with multi boxers, even tho multi-boxing it's legal people moan on "moral grounds", "game not designed to for it" and/or "its not fair".
The arguments highlighted are irrelevant, legal is legal if people were or were not doing it.
All I am interested is what is NOT LEGAL and the people who post and exercise these nonlegal antics.
This is not JUST MY OPINION, its the facts, deal with it.
Vyndree for president :)V
I joined this community (actually signed up got involved, got interested etc) because of her so its rather a bummer she is not here now ;(
So even though I have never had direct communications with her add me to the IWVB crew
Patch 2.4.2: Personal Rating requirements being added to S4. If your Personal Rating is not within 150 of the Team Rating, your games and points awarded will be based on your rating instead of the Team's rating. And a few other changes, all designed -specifically- to discourage/stop Team selling. People can still sell SPOTS I suppose and drag their personal rating up, but yeah, the "game producers/devs" seem to be showing via actions they're not all that pleased with it either :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Majestic_Clown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=5762 6#post57626
Concurred. She and so many others here inspired me to actually start this. I was excited to see that another fellow female gamer was so involved in something I was so excited to become a part of. I do hope that she comes back. /signQuote:
Originally Posted by 'StormClouds',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57627#p ost57627
to the handful of people trying to seed discontent ... http://solidice.com/bitmaps/icon_finger.gif
there is nothing to debate. this thread was not your thread to discuss YOUR subject.. it was a good will thread asking a beloved member to rejoin because we missed HER, not you.
but you decided to jump in and hijack it to continue your, oh so brilliant crusade. brilliant.
Eteocles, have some balls and go to the wow forums and discuss it. it does not belong here.
IWVB
As it grows, any online community is going to become less organized. It also becomes more varied, and that part is almost always good. But with growth you inevitably come to a point where your site owner/admin has to lay down some ground rules and enforce them. I certainly do not envy anyone that task, having been a moderator and administrator for a few years (at a board that grew from a handful of people to well over 1000 registered visitors a day). It is often an unfun and seemingly thankless job, but the more diligent you are, the quicker the community will fall in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57583#pos t57583
Actually Rob the whole thing started simply because someone had no idea Vyndree had left or why; it was explained why and then someone took it as restirring the drama and it turned into this. As I said in my last post, I'm done; views are views, Blizz is stopping teamsellers, and unless someone has the balls to go DO something about it instead of sit here signing repeatedly, Vyndree is gone unfortunately.
You're not exactly being a shinig example yourself reacting angrily to these posts, locking threads, deleting posts and flipping us off; get off yer high horse and keep your similarly-inflammatory opinions(and fingers) to yourself if you want us to do the same.
AGAIN: THIS DEBATE IS OVER. Keep signing for what good it'll do till someone actually volunteers to tell her we miss her and show her the thread as proof :P DO NOT POST ANY MORE REPLIES THAT CONTAIN ANYTHING, -ANYTHING- related to this bullshit, it is OVER, ONLY post if it's related directly to having Vyndree back, period.
hence the reason i locked it.
brilliant
and no, i don't stand by while someone attacks a friend behind their back... i'm weird like that
and i'll pull out the fingers every time you decide to bring it up again and rehashing it
IWVB
If Vyndree gave 2 shits she'd be here defending herself; she's completely able to do so; as slats said, she doesn't need knights in shining armor to do so for her; she's not banned nor unable to view the site and 100% able to do so herself. She herself said she can handle the stigma she may get in that very first post she made and I know damn well she's a very capable person of doing so; there's nothing "behind her back" about it, she's probably trolled the thread already and is quite aware, or someone has told her regardless. It's done, I'm done, all that's left is to hope she'll come back :P
Blizzard has for months been stating that buying arena teams or points is not a violation, but it's not an activity they condone either. They are making it more difficult (which means it will cost more gold to buy teams/points, probably) next patch but it will still be within the game rules to do so. Unpopular, but allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57630#post 57630
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...geNo=1&sid=1#3
"At the moment, buying and selling both teams and arena points is not a violation of our policies. These are however, very unpopular practices, and we do not support them, despite opting not to punish this behavior."
3rd times the charm?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57645#post 57645
srsly u guyz(I have issues with letting misinformation be the last word; and yea Stab that's one of the threads I was thinking of, ty lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Gurblash',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57647#post 57647
TLDR
What the hell am I doing up at 6 am? Wait, where am I? Who am I? And who is that dwarf wearing women's underwear and looking at me with a mischievous gling in his eye?
I haven't posted in here yet but that comment is pretty assinine, man.
The fact is, if Vyn was some random lurker who posted once every 2 months this thread wouldn't exist. But she's not. She's practically the voice of the community. So she's missed a lil mmk?
Hate to tell you, but i have no clue as to what she looks like, It just seems to me she is a pretty cool person.
I miss having Vyndree around as well. However, we have all seen her handle herself extremely well against people who are even more outspoken than Eteo. I didnt see anything in the other thread or this thread for that matter that was extremely offensive. Eteo disagreed with something she was doing, and was a bit more verbose than I would have been personally... but I dont think it was so bad she needed to leave the community.
I agree Vyndree can handle herself... and in the case she couldnt Im sure Suvega is a rabid bear when it comes to her as well. There are also far many more pro-vyndree people here than there are anti-vyndree so in the court of public opinion she would easily win an argument.
So Im not exactly sure what the problem was, unless she got a pm that was just plain nasty... if she did then remove said individual from the site...
However, this is a public forum... this thread is easily accessible by her and everyone else... so its not behind her back in any way form or fashion.
Anyways... just throwing out my 2 cents. I tried to stay out of it for as long as I could, but Im an out spoken prick.
I think/hope dozerr was just tyring to make a joke in an overly dramatic thread, don't jump on him too badly ;p And we had Vyndree's pics here somewhere...needless to say she's quite the opposite of a stereotyped female gamer; thin, smart, good looking etc :p But also taken, so shhhh or Suv will show up and bite your kneecaps off.
Cmon guys let the thread die if you're not gonna throw in your support to have her back :p We're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic here.
And in response to Pyro but to the public: I'm not Anti-Vyndree either; yea big whoop I whine about arenas, but I will echo and agree Vyn's done ALOT for the community as a whole regardless :p That Belfaire post in particular was a major break-through in shutting up the people who say it's automation and illegal. There is no bitterness/grudges towards Vyn here
*misses Suvega and Vyndree*
/Thinks this community has plenty of other people who are willing and able to contribute rather than continuing to flog this dead dog....
Uhm.... Whoa.
Hey guys, I go on a break and there is a 4-page thread about me and some of it isn't so very community friendly. I definitely do not want a rift torn thru this community based on miscommunication so while I sift through the remaining threads I missed over the past weeks please bear with me.
Clarification point #1: Eteocles is not the reason for me taking a break from the forums. He may be quite opinionated, and I might disagree with his blunt way of dealing with sensitive situations, but I certainly wouldn't /forumquit over it. ;) I appreciate the sentiment that you guys want to go on a headhunt for the people who cause me problems, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. You don't fight fire with fire. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. (Ok, I'm done with the analogies.)
Clarification point #2: I took a break due to repeated PM harassment that continued AFTER me providing clarification in the form of PM responses and a public forum thread. Breaks mean you come back. ;) Contrary to popular wowforum belief, I am human and arguments do stress me out. Normally I can handle myself pretty well, but after a certain point you really have to step back, take a few breaths, and come back better prepared to handle the sh*t life (and the wow forums) throws at you. Overextending yourself will only lead to early burnout, which none of us want, amirite?
Clarification point #3: I had been meaning to lurk around while taking my break, but got a little sidetracked due to certain other non-multiboxing issues that I've had to deal with recently. It's a frustrating experience, but I'm trying to get it all sorted out. Besides that, I've also transfered to a new group at my job and so I'm dealing with getting all of my work stuff sorted out as well.
Anyways, to catch you all up...
The warlocks are 54.
The shaman haven't been doign much since Velani had her enhancement fiasco
Vyndree is not dead, hasn't gamequit, hasn't been banned, hasn't stopped multiboxing, and hasn't disappeared forever.
Kthx. <3
-Vyndree
/hug Vyndreamy.
Awesome!
Glad you and Suvega are back.
:thumbsup:
damm Girl , I thought you backup Tank failed and you where flooded. Hope all is well. :) :)
zomg vyn... that blog entry is making my already stressful evening even worse. Honestly, i'm not even in your guild, but i could scream right now.
That has got to be the most BOGUS pile of horseshit i've had to read in a looong time.
Seriously... I would walk. I would walk with your dignity intact, be the bigger person and try not to burn any bridges. Your asshat GL will NEVER get it, but your comrades there do and will. You've got their respect. Even moreso when they see what you pulled off in a span of a week ALL FOR THEM.
GTFO while you can and if raiding is still your thing any other guild on your server would /drool and /grovel for a team player like yourself.
PS - Glad to see you back ^^
How do you spell relief?
V-Y-N-D-R-E-E
And for the record, yes, I know I'm too young and should not know about that commercial. Just skip it.
Since Vyn is posting in here now figure I might as well post and see if anyone else has issues I have.
Just regiestered on your blog to post a comment but it won't accept my password and when I hit the "forgot password?" it says it has sent an email to me but it still hasn't arrived while the original validation email did. Also it might just be something you haven't gotten round to but http://www.v-boxing.net/blog doesn't redirect to http://www.vboxing.net/blog and http://www.vboxing.net/ just gives the header graphic and nothing else. Not sure if they are remanents from your hassles a few weeks ago but thought I might bring them up in case you hadn't realized :)
Yay, ty Vyn =P We can agree to disagree and still be friends lolz
Also, holy shit @ the Instant Enhancement post...had I known shit like that was going on I'd have been a little more toned down, I don't blame you after taking shit like that from them :p
Urm.....
/happy dance
Now your guild did ... WTF O_O
/sarcasim
Yay for spending most of every second in game to get gear you didnt have for a spec you didnt want to play then get basically screwed over it?
/regular
Glad you wanna play at all anymore
[derail] That is a BADASS set of toon names Storm, I love it love it love it! [/derail]
gawd.. I'm hospitalised for a week this happens!! ;(
Welcome back Vyn, sorry to hear about all this PM malarkey.
Lets hope it's all water under the bridge.
As for those.. well, I fail to think of a word for that bunch in the guild.. :cursing:
Kinda feel sorry for that poor shammy that's stuck between you and the guild :pinch: I'd be very worried to get on the wrong side of either of you!
Clearly you should have used Boom's command-line skills instead. Haven't you heard of "/cast GearedEnhanceShammy"??
Welcome back Vyndreemy! You can say all you want about "breaks" and enhancement drama, but I know you only came back because of my thread...
Now, tell me about your hunters.
Haven't really touched them recently... I think the last thing I did was BFD and was about to do the quest to get them all their furbolg stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57986#post 57986
Yknow in my 3 years of playing and hundreds upon hundreds of chars that furbolg form quest is the only one I've never, ever done once? Where the hell does it start? lol
Well, his manner of delivery was, indeed lacking tact...... He is 100% right in his opinion. Team trading hurts other players VERY badly. When you have people in the higher levels of gear, and skill, dropping into the lower brackets.. you are taking points away from the people in those brackets. It is in fact an exploitation of a system that blizzard did not intend, and IS correcting in 2.4. How ever, it also is indeed not cheating .........just wrong........ As 5 boxers, we should never do any thing that actually unfairly harms another player, lest we draw the ire of blizzard, and they turn against us.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Stabface',index.php?page=Thread&postID=57366#post 57366
Also.... the forum post editing I have seen recently is fairly heavy handed....... sprited discussion should be encouraged not squlched.
Edit: Glad your back and there not a rift in the community... there are enough haters on the wow general forums (shudder).
[quote='Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58090 #post58090][quote='Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=5798 6#post57986]Now, tell me about your hunters.[/quote]
Haven't really touched them recently... I think the last thing I did was BFD and was about to do the quest to get them all their furbolg stick.[/quote]
[url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=6436']Huzzzzzah! BEHOLD the FURLBOGS.[/url]
I started a hunter 5 box last week. It is up to 24 at the moment, and the most fun I have had in wow so far. Ive not done BFD yet, but was able to clear WC at 16 - 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58090#post5 8090
[quote='Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=5809 7#post58097]Where the hell does it start? lol[/quote]
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