Think I'm Done

Blaming the military is retarded.... I'm retired from the Army... When I wasn't deployed, I would spend 30 out of 45 days in the field... I still had time to raid to T2 gear (pre-bc). (not to mention spending time with my wife)

Other military members in my guild also have done the same. Over 75% of the officers in the guild are military members, from different branches and are in the top 5 guilds on the server for raid progression.

Blaming the military for your inability is a sham.

It's all about time management.

(Eternium on Shu'Halo is the guild I'm referring to)

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56107#pos t56107

Part of me wishes I did the same thing. But I didn't want to wait till I was 40 to do a lot of things at the same time.

Besides - 4 years in and my knees are in pretty bad shape. 20 years? I probably would have been in a wheelchair shortly afterwards. Running 3+ miles a day on pavement is bad, mmmkay! :P

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Ha! Which is why I went armor instead of infantry. ;) Why walk when you can ride?

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Originally Posted by 'NightFire',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56115#pos t56115

Blaming the military is retarded.... I'm retired from the Army... When I wasn't deployed, I would spend 30 out of 45 days in the field... I still had time to raid to T2 gear (pre-bc). (not to mention spending time with my wife)

Other military members in my guild also have done the same. Over 75% of the officers in the guild are military members, from different branches and are in the top 5 guilds on the server for raid progression.

Blaming the military for your inability is a sham.

It's all about time management.

(Eternium on Shu'Halo is the guild I'm referring to)

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That's great for you. I'm happy that there are military people who can enjoy it. Now let's talk about people who are at what we call the sharp end of the spear:

No, can't really say that I could be in a raiding guild. It's too random when I'm deployed or not deployed.

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No, you're not the one complaining how Blizz's system is farked. You are the one offering snarky, unhelpful comments who also needs to take some comprehension lessons.

You can't just quit the military my friend. Saying "There is only 'I won't, not I can't' in life" to someone in the military is insensitive, uncalled for, and plain wrong.

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Wauw, trained to kill, but somebody telling you to stop whining and change what you are doing if you dont like something, is insensitive. Like more people said, its not farked, its your perspective upon it that is farked, whatever the bleep that may mean. But ill refrain from further comments since your delicateness might take more dents, and I dont want you to burst into tears.

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Originally Posted by 'Los',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56125#post56125

Wauw, trained to kill, but somebody telling you to stop whining and change what you are doing if you dont like something, is insensitive. Like more people said, its not farked, its your perspective upon it that is farked, whatever the bleep that may mean. But ill refrain from further comments since your delicateness might take more dents, and I dont want you to burst into tears.

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Was that really called for?

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Originally Posted by 'Los',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56125#post56125

Wauw, trained to kill, but somebody telling you to stop whining and change what you are doing if you dont like something, is insensitive. Like more people said, its not farked, its your perspective upon it that is farked, whatever the bleep that may mean. But ill refrain from further comments since your delicateness might take more dents, and I dont want you to burst into tears.

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Seriously, get some perspective.

WoW is a *game*, it is entertainment, it is for a lot of us a hobby. It is something we do when we have time off. We do *not* schedule our real lives around WoW, we schedule WoW around our real lives. Raiding requires a long term commitment to a fixed schedule which is not an option for a lot of us. A lot of the top end raiding guilds require 80%+ attendance as well and if you don't show up very regularly your spot gets filled by someone else. The full time raiders will usually get preference over part time raiders. When I was raiding I didn't mind sitting out for part time raiders and we also had a rotation going, but, when you are learning new encounters you want your best geared regular raiders there if you want serious attempts. Bringing part timers with lesser gear that haven't attempted the encounter before does not help your progression.

Also, raids are not really fun for a lot of us. I enjoy the challenge of learning the new encounters. Unfortunately with raids you are depending on the right class balance, gear and 24 other people to know what they are doing. Not enough healing, sorry no raid. Not enough tanks, sorry no raid. Not enough dps, lots of wipes coming up. Raiding also involves lots of waiting and keeping 25 people focused and farming for your repairs and consumables.

And even when you have an encounter on farm you keep doing the encounter over and over and over and over and over to gear people up.

The negatives of raiding just outweighs the positives for me personally.

And echoing what Thinus said, in order to get and maintain a high rated (2k+) team you need to have the same level of consistency.

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Originally Posted by 'thinus',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56148#post56 148

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Originally Posted by 'Los',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56125#post56125

Wauw, trained to kill, but somebody telling you to stop whining and change what you are doing if you dont like something, is insensitive. Like more people said, its not farked, its your perspective upon it that is farked, whatever the bleep that may mean. But ill refrain from further comments since your delicateness might take more dents, and I dont want you to burst into tears.

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Seriously, get some perspective.

WoW is a *game*, it is entertainment, it is for a lot of us a hobby. It is something we do when we have time off. We do *not* schedule our real lives around WoW, we schedule WoW around our real lives. Raiding requires a long term commitment to a fixed schedule which is not an option for a lot of us. A lot of the top end raiding guilds require 80%+ attendance as well and if you don't show up very regularly your spot gets filled by someone else. The full time raiders will usually get preference over part time raiders. When I was raiding I didn't mind sitting out for part time raiders and we also had a rotation going, but, when you are learning new encounters you want your best geared regular raiders there if you want serious attempts. Bringing part timers with lesser gear that haven't attempted the encounter before does not help your progression.

Also, raids are not really fun for a lot of us. I enjoy the challenge of learning the new encounters. Unfortunately with raids you are depending on the right class balance, gear and 24 other people to know what they are doing. Not enough healing, sorry no raid. Not enough tanks, sorry no raid. Not enough dps, lots of wipes coming up. Raiding also involves lots of waiting and keeping 25 people focused and farming for your repairs and consumables.

And even when you have an encounter on farm you keep doing the encounter over and over and over and over and over to gear people up.

The negatives of raiding just outweighs the positives for me personally.

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Thinus I was giving that perspective and was trying to explain it more then once now I think, and besides, he can make remarks pointing at me, and I can respond to them.

My point was that if you can't do it because of work, real life, or whatever, WHY should something like for instance, ratings, be removed? The world does not circle around certain persons who are complaining and yelling to throw in a towel.

I know the whole raid drill, been there done that, got myself some tshirts. Your story goes up partially, you would have done fine in guild where you would have expressed to raid, 2 days? 3 days? Or every raid for a few weeks and then some time you couldnt because of work of whatever, the nihilum typed of guilds would probably not take you, but take somebody else who can come 24/7. Thats not harsh or mean or 'a bad game because you need to be a nolifer' no thats all not true, its just the way things are, you CAN NOT have it all, and the world shouldnt be put to a halt because of it.

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Originally Posted by 'Mosg2',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56157#post561 57

And echoing what Thinus said, in order to get and maintain a high rated (2k+) team you need to have the same level of consistency.

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No you dont, seasons take about 4 months, time enough to scrounge points.

Blizzard is trying to fix the game I'm fine with that. I don't really care as a multi-boxer. Besides WotLK is only months away. I would rather multi-box casually then grind like an idiot. Seriously RL and multi-boxing > grinding.

IMHO,

If you are very skilled, have skilled friends, a great guild etc your climb up the gear ladder will be a swift one. You get there fast, the elevator ride

If you aren't quite as skilled, OR don't have skilled friends, OR aren't in a great guild and can't be in one right now you can grind up the ladder, although a little too easily. So blizz is going to take that ladder away or make it almost impossible for most. You can be really good but if you don't have good friends you are out of luck.

My suggestion would be a combination of these extremes. If you are the first group you get your gear as it is proposed quick and cheap. If you are in the other, you can still work your butt off and get most of the gear to try and compete but make it cost you 2,3 or 4 times the arena points or honor points.

1900 rating here's your helm 1875
1600 rating here's your helm 3200
1400 rating here's your helm 5000

agree it's too easy and cheap to get now, agree people need something to grind for. With PVE grind your tailoring/bs/engineering up for similiar gear to PVE with CD's it takes a long time but you will get there.

"hey look i finally got my new S4 helm", "uhm my new viking horny goat helm has better stats" "when did WotLK come out?"

Why do arena-related threads always bring the toolboxes out of the woodwork?

Because arenas fail, and beget failure. They spoil people and inflate e-peens that should never exist let alone be inflated. WoW fears Warhammer's pvp for some unknown reason and is humping arenas for all they're worth like a lovesick puppy in puberty

I guess I do not get bent on this new requirements. I spent 5 months strait (twice) getting the best gear in the game (rank 14 HWL and GM) since they changed that system for the better, I has lost my desire to have the best. the best changes every 3-6 months. I shoot for the next to best almost as good for a lot less time outlay. Now on to Miltary. Allways join the Air Force , they send their O's into combat. Training is great, assignments , base support , education etc. Why ride can you can fly :P

Unfortunately with personal rating, it's not just a matter of how good you are. You need to find anywhere from 1-4 other people who also are at least decently geared and skilled to start with. Then you need to spend the playing together to learn how to play with each other and how exactly your specific comp/spec work. It's not a week-long endeavor where you just grab some random people who're in S3 and then magically you have a 2k rating. Lest we not forget actually scheduling games themselves.

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No you dont, seasons take about 4 months, time enough to scrounge points.

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That's exactly what we're talking about--Now it doesn't matter how many points you have, it matters how high you can get your personal rating.

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My point was that if you can't do it because of work, real life, or whatever, WHY should something like for instance, ratings, be removed? The world does not circle around certain persons who are complaining and yelling to throw in a towel.

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WoW has/had one thing over virtually every other MMO out there: You could put your time in and get the exact same thing that anyone else in the game could get. If you played casually, you got it at casual speed. If you played hardcore, you got it at hardcore speed. Now they're taking that away in regards to S4/Honor gear.

And don't talk to me about skill being rewarded--As soon as they removed the attunements for BT tons of people started seeing Illidan. With arenas, skill was rewarded by being the first to each piece plus end of season honors. As I see it, that's the way it should be.

The direction WoW is taking with PvP bores the shit out of me.



Have cancelled all my accounts, pre-ordered Age Of Conan, and have GTA1V on the way. I'll wait for Warhammer or maybe just have a blast in Age Of Conan. Whatever happens right now, the treadmill is so obvious, and the pedastal being raised higher and higher - I have no desire to enjoy the 'time sinks' thrown at us to appease us till WotLK.



Will still the read the forums here - been fun to watch this comnunity grow and see all the cool videos. Peace out.

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Originally Posted by 'Slats',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56368#post563 68

The direction WoW is taking with PvP bores the shit out of me.

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I'm surprised people get as worked up about pvp in wow as they do anyways. Really, pvp is tacked on in wow. It was an afterthought. It can be fun sometimes, but it's hardly what the game was designed for.

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Originally Posted by 'Mosg2',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56357#post563 57

WoW has/had one thing over virtually every other MMO out there: You could put your time in and get the exact same thing that anyone else in the game could get. If you played casually, you got it at casual speed. If you played hardcore, you got it at hardcore speed. Now they're taking that away in regards to S4/Honor gear.

And don't talk to me about skill being rewarded--As soon as they removed the attunements for BT tons of people started seeing Illidan. With arenas, skill was rewarded by being the first to each piece plus end of season honors. As I see it, that's the way it should be.

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Im sorry but if your guild didnt get passed scc / tk and for that matter vash and kael, you do not automaticly see illidian, thats a wrong assumption. Besides, sunwell is the new black raidingwise, bt is from the past already. Same as they are doing to pvp gear, s1 will be gone, s2 is the new honor gear, s3 is new semi arena gear and s4 will be the new hip arena gear. It all scoots a point or 2.

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Im sorry but if your guild didnt get passed scc / tk and for that matter vash and kael, you do not automaticly see illidian, thats a wrong assumption. Besides, sunwell is the new black raidingwise, bt is from the past already. Same as they are doing to pvp gear, s1 will be gone, s2 is the new honor gear, s3 is new semi arena gear and s4 will be the new hip arena gear. It all scoots a point or 2.

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You need some comprehension lessons.

1. I'm not in a guild.

2. Since they removed the access quests, TONS of people have jumped straight into BT and gotten right up to Illidan. That's what I said and that's what I meant.

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Originally Posted by 'Mosg2',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56503#post565 03

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Im sorry but if your guild didnt get passed scc / tk and for that matter vash and kael, you do not automaticly see illidian, thats a wrong assumption. Besides, sunwell is the new black raidingwise, bt is from the past already. Same as they are doing to pvp gear, s1 will be gone, s2 is the new honor gear, s3 is new semi arena gear and s4 will be the new hip arena gear. It all scoots a point or 2.

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You need some comprehension lessons.

1. I'm not in a guild.

2. Since they removed the access quests, TONS of people have jumped straight into BT and gotten right up to Illidan. That's what I said and that's what I meant.

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1. Really, that comprehension bit is so pathetic, especially for a nerf caller like yourself.
2. And like I said Im calling it bullshit.

Anyways, I was talking in general, try to keep up. And what you are saying is bull. There is a big gear gap vs end bosses in bt and tk (not to mention tacticwise). There is no way in hell people have made that up by now (since the patch and the release of that attunement stuff) if they couldnt kill kael (best fight ever btw) or vashj.

I'm gonna have to agree with the "Everyone's seeing illidan is bullshit" bit...I'm in a guild who FARMS him and I'm not allowed anywhere near him because I don't have the gear to handle it. Most BT fights require a minimum of gear and dps totals and some Hyjal fights are particularly dependant on SMART players paying attention and any guild who's been stuck on SSC/TK too long is not attentive enough overall to do so, period. DA wasn't and I will openly say that because it's the truth;(Most, not all, simply didn't pay attention to the fight around them, just warnings that were often broken instead of thinking on their own) DC is attentive, noone needs to sit around explaining shit for 20mins or doing 5-6 ready checks or random afks, shit goes in, shit goes down, shit gets looted and we're done with 5 bosses in 2hours. And despite their t6+ gear + attentiveness and skill, some of the fights are close shaves.

I personally haven't seen Illidan, nor will I unless they decide to go back and get me a t5 set for the 4piece bonus to make my dps competitive :p Just becuase attunements are gone doesn't mean player stupidity is gone too. Just cuz you can start ssc/tk(Loot Reaver is called that for a reason) doesn't mean you can handle jack shit in the new instances you're allowed into :p

I call Bullshit on "everyone getting to Illidan" as well... but it IS true that tons of guilds jump right into BT. I think that most of them get slaughtered... but yeah, its "accessible" .

Entering bt is heavilly <> for seeing illidan (unless you have seen him in a movie or as a background)!

And its sad to see people not killing kael and getting in to BT, allthough i guess its fine they can, dont see no harm in it, they hit the point of 'cant kill next boss' soon anyways.

Go look at the guild recruitment posts on your server forums and/or ads in general. At least on my server now there are three times as many guilds that have downed Illidan--That's not an insignificant amount.

It was laziness and not skill that was keeping people off of BT gear. It's not that hard to learn a scripted, 2-15 minute event.

That's raiding in a nutshell really Mos...though most people do call it "lolscripted events" there ARE variables that can fuck it up, and that variable is the players :p I've seen palas accidentally bop/DI the tank when they meant to hit loh, I've seen a near-wipe on Vael at 1% and a Paladin bop'd himself and loh'd himself and HE WON, finishing Vael off just barely in time...so yeah, imo, that "scripted" bull can go fuck itself, there's plenty of variety ;)

Only new recruiter is Genesis on Mag and that's because Nerd Craft transferred over and put them to shame. DA's core/good raiders merged into DC and attend higher raids when allowed but again, some fights simply require geared people, and DA was progressing(keyword there, we WERE making progress on bosses and had gotten Hydross just about down to a farm encounter) through SSC when we joined up to DC; again any guild that was already at BT won't let anyone undergeared come; any guild that wasn't in BT jumps in and gets their ass handed to them because they didn't learn to cooperate on their way up :p

re: ratings requirements on S3/S4 gear... you will be able to get a full set of S2 gear without any ratings at all, and it's not all that bad compared to S3/4, considering that the requirements for getting it are so relaxed (lower honor costs, no need to grind if you don't want, etc).

As someone pointed out, pre-BC and the PvP changes, you were at a pretty big disadvantage versus both insanely dedicated PvPers and anyone who raided past Molten Core if you were a casual player. You'd be lucky to get two or three blue PvP pieces and pre-raiding blues didn't compare to epic items from MC and up. S2 and its equivalents are much better for PvP than most PvE items, and give you a chance versus S3/4-geared players.

The reason it gets boring is that the way to get that gear is to run the same battlegrounds we've been running for months or years. New maps would go a long way to helping alleviate that boredom to some degree.

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Originally Posted by 'Tonuss',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56734#post56 734

The reason it gets boring is that the way to get that gear is to run the same battlegrounds we've been running for months or years. New maps would go a long way to helping alleviate that boredom to some degree.

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Meh, I disagree here. NEw maps would be great, but it all boils down to gear. Everyone in this game is out to get the better gear. Once you have people sitting at the top of the gear plateau for a long period of time, then they get bored... regardless of the maps. WoLTK will come by and everyone will go questing for.... NEW GEAR! :)