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I found an 85% finished rendered edition of the clip in my recycle bin :) so it cuts off about 15% of the movie. I'll make a better one but in the meantime this should hold you guys over.
http://files.filefront.com/Aelli+Are.../fileinfo.html
Enjoy :)
Thanks Ellay, you da man!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=53795#post537 95
Slats,Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Slats',index.php?page=Thread&postID=53758#post537 58
I apologize if my idea offended ya bud. I was simply bringing up the thought, which I still think is valid. But just because the thought is valid, it doesn't mean I'm throwing my hat into it.
The validity comes from the realization that alot of 4xshammy Arena teams are suddenly facing. We're losing. Bad. While Ellay posts 75+game winning streaks. We're quick to blame this on gear, and for good reason. But we've started to see several 4xS teams head in with very respectable gear, and they're still losing.
So either we all suck (very possible) or Ellay has stumbled upon something truly impressive, and therefore truly valuable.
There are alot of things of value that are kept secret. If you DIDNT respond with "F@## that for a joke", I'd be worried it wasn't worth keeping a secret. The very fact that you chose to respond with profanity says we're on to something.
But personally, I think the spirit of these forums would be violated if we DID keep Ellay's video a secret. Logic would tell you to keep multiboxing a secret as long as you can. But instead, we as a community have chosen to post on these forums, the official forums, and even post videos on You Tube... the result? Blizz finally backs us up in a very public way. Score one for open source. :)
To to recap, I offered the suggestion to Ellay, being it's his video, because there were valid reasons behind it. Your response confirms that. But now that we're at the end, I'm glad Ellay is choosing to post it publicly. I'm REALLY interested in the thread that starts here to discuss the video. That should be fun.
I just hope it doesn't debut on the official PvP forums for a bit, but I'm not holding my breath.
Boom
Thanks Ellay! Downloading now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=53795#post537 95
Downloading now!
FANTASTIC VID. Simply fantastic. I learned several key things, and I'll post about them later. Maybe we need a new thread for it. But wanted to thank you for the post right away Ellay.
One thing I WILL point out, that you have, and I NEED to get, is patience. I love the "rogue bait" trick too.
Thanks again bud. Hope to see the full version soon.
Boom
Seriously... Ellay. This is AWESOME so far.
Here's some takeaways for me so far:
* I am not purging enough. Question: do 4xPurges strip off 8 total buffs, or do they overlap/cancel like a grounding totem can sometimes eat multiple spells?
* Seems like you often purge before DPSing. Is this the case, or did the video just highlight some special cases.
* I am OK at positioning, but my patience needs work... Video reinforces that creeping towards them is bad bad bad.
* I have been practicing alt-turning independently of my main for a while, and I need to incorporate that better.
* Nagrand rogue-baiting was a great suggestion.
* Ghost wolf at beginning to prevent sap!! I already knew this from being a solo shaman, but somehow I was losing this knowledge when we've been 4xShaman in arenas.
Probably some more I've left out. Thanks again, can't wait for the full version. This was awesome, awesome, awesome!!
even tho it might be good with a forum thread specificaly for arena that visitors cant see.
im redirecting wery many peeps to dual-boxing since i cant bother explaining to everyone wtf is going on, and i wouldnt either tell how to do to kick a boxer in arena.
it would be ok tho to tell the rest about some tips n tricks.
/stick
Ellay,
I didn't think it was boring at all. You confirmed several things that I thought were good ideas, but wasn't really sure of. You also pointed out a few things that I have struggled with. If I sit in one place for very long, I start to feel like I should be doing something. Patience patience patience.
I have two major problems that I haven't found good solutions for so far. My gear has increased 10 fold in the last two weeks, so one of these may not be as big of a problem as it used to be. First is mages spamming arcane explosion while bouncing around inside my group or worse yet multiple mages doing this. We had two games this week against 5 mage teams. 1 or 2 would stand back and blizzard while 3 rushed in and arcane explosioned like mad. Any tips to counter this?
Second (this one may not be nearly as big of an issue now as I've increased my HP/Armor/Resilince dramatically in the last two weeks) is rogue(s) getting in amongst my guys and bladefurying the living crap out of me while I'm trying to shock/nova/magma them down.
Part of my strategy has been to use EM/NS early to try to kill one person quickly. I see that this is probably not a good idea. I've used it numerous times only to have a mage/paladin/rogue use their "oh shit" abilities to prevent the kill. It looks like waiting a bit to make sure you've got them low enough so that a EM/NS chain lightning is enough to gib them instead of just drop them low enough for a 4xfrost shock or 4x lighting bolt volley is enough to kill them; thus giving them a chance to bubble/iceblock/vanish and escape death.
Anyway, thanks for posting what you have done so far and I look forward to hearing more from you and seeing more tips.
I didn't find the 85% clip boring at all. I was fascinated. (and disappointed when it ended early, heh)
Awesome vid Ellay...and I thought you were a chick, wtf! :P The first team had a good team name too..."easy points" lol; props for showing how REAL high end arenas are done instead of *coughbuyingthemcough*
Ellay you are a god....
I had gone with 2 wins so far in about 40 matches.... and just kept resetting my team to at least get some points.
I watch the vid, get some confidence, go in with my own prot pally and win my 1st 3.... Time to invite my holy pally mate who is very dissapointed in my achievements so far.... He has connection problems in the evening, but we go on to get a 7-3 record for the evening. My best ever......
I've done a lot of pvp this weekend, so my skills had improved, but some great pointers, especially around the patience, ghost wolf and purging, have made my game 100% better. I'm still PVE spec, and one of my shammie is resto spec too, so overall I'm absolutely delighted with the results....
I even managed to win one game as the palla DC'd half way through with 2 of mine (both oom), vs 2 50% health rogues, ghost wolf, run around, manatide, blast a bit got one down, ghost wolf and wait for regen, rebuff watershield, slowly slowly does it, but he went down in the end.... was a real rush.
Real props for sharing your knowledge.
Cheers
Kyudo
Boom,
Dont take my language personally. The idea of having this elitist list of people who deserved to see the video just irked me the wrong way. I am sure the intentions were good, but my point was if people are serious about studying to beat Ellay they would already have an account and know all to well what multiboxing is and the strengths and weaknesses. :)
BTW thanks for sharing that Ellay about to watch it now.
Ellay that was fucking awesome and I was so disappointed when it just cut out like that. :P
Please by all means make as many boring movies as you like because I was more engrossed by that than I was by any music/look at me kill people videos we normally see. The deep amount of strategy you have in play, the various team makeups at the high end. All extremely interested and so nice to watch. Seriously if someoen made a WoWTV I could watch commentated Arena Matches. :)
-Dan
Hellu Im the pally Kyudo spoke of :P
Kanelbullen is my name and we play on Kilrogg -Eu. o btw I made this post to make sure u dont think im dissapointed about Kyudos work, its been great fun and even tho i expected it to turn out better than it did ( before we got this imba tactic movie :thumbsup: ) it was still rly fun :)
so No, im not dissapointed k! :D
Oh right i forgot one thing, Ellay , or some1 else, Do u have any tips for the healer in a 5v5 of ur setup? a Paladin in this case, wud be rly great to get some tips ;)
Thnx, kanel
very nice down to earth strategies, learned quite a few things from that video. Thanks Ellay!
Tips for Paladins,
Always use Crusader Aura when the doors open until you dismount.
Use Blessing of Light
Don't be afraid to pop BoP or Bubble too early, the first 10-20 seconds of a fight is usually the most crucial if they go all out.
Hehe Kanel, you have to admit you did get a bit ratty when we lost 6 in a row the other day. But you're pretty good in there anyway, keep me up nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Kanelbullen',index.php?page=Thread&postID=54349#p ost54349
Looking forward to a steadily improving rating over the next few weeks.
Keep us posted on how you go, and if you find some new tip that isn't directly covered add it to the other thread. :)
Thnx for the tips Ellay, im usually using Kings on em atm since they havent got as nice gear as u do ;) at our current rating i suppose ill do better with kings, tho on higher rating ill need Light cus of the nukers with heavy gear :P
Thnx ^^
Blessing of Light on everyone? Or just the pally...?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=54379#post543 79
We've been using Kings on everyone for the extra HP.
hmm if you don't want to use BoL on everyone I would suggest ur pally has kings on him and ur clones have light. from what i saw in the vid, it looks like what mostly happens at high end is that a rogue or one cc class goes after ur pally to prevent him form healing and the rest go for you to try and interrupt you as much as pos. then when ur pally pops his bubble they all turn on you (which they should), so to maintain the highest possible hps from ur pallies heals BoL would benefit you more then kings. Please correct me if I'm wrong ellay.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=54616#post 54616
If that is the case however, BoK on ur pally for the extra stam, intell and lesser other stats, BoL on ur shammies for healing.
To be honest, the games where they all go after the pally are great for me. My pally partner is decent geared and experienced, so can normally keep himself up for at least 40 seconds. This leaves me free to choose targets and nuke at will. They go down even quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ðeceased',index.php?page=Thread&postID=54620#post 54620
hehe i can imagine ^^ It's asking for an ass whoopin tbh :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Kyudo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=54653#post546 53
i saw the video but what does blood lust do actually? I have 4 tauren shammy and wonder if I should have rolled orcs instead.
Bloodlust (same as the alliance ability, "Heroism") is a L70 shaman spell that gives 30% haste for 40seconds. It's usable in arena and has a 10min cooldown. All shaman get these regardless of their race.
Blood Fury is an Orc Racial ability that gives 143 spell damage (and 282 attack power) for 15 seconds. Its downside is that it reduces all healing effects on you by 50% (it's like you Mortal Strike yourself). The ability has a 2min cooldown. The spell damage is an obvious upside... but the healing debuff is also pretty significant.
On a 4xShaman setup, here's what that 143 spell damage means for me:
Assuming a baseline of 600 Spell Damage (and the hidden +55 Totem of the Void bonus on LB/CL), a target with 394 resilience, and a two-spell cast sequence of 1.) Lightning Bolt 2.) 4xEM+NS+Chain Lightning, I get the following:
Min Damage: 12,876
Avg Damage: 13,504 (using 1,000 salvos, Monte Carlo type analysis)
Add in the Blood Fury to the mix and that increases spell damage to 743 (+55 for TotV). Same resilience and cast sequence:
Min Damage: 13,918
Avg Damage: 14,650
What you can see here is that little ole 143 spell damage bonus increases my LB - 4xEM+NS+CL combo by roughly 1,100 points. It's also going to increase the expected value of subsequent LB volleys by ~550 for the remainder of its time. However, 15 seconds is a lot of time to be debuffed.
To dig a little deeper into arena theorycrafting... That debuff probably won't matter to at least 1 of your team, because they're going to be MS or Wounding poison debuffed significantly. But it may make healing the whole rest of your team much harder in the face of incoming AoE damage.
Finally, it's a useful racial in that it can acutally overwrite wound poisons and then when it wears off, you don't maintain any debuff.
Hai thar
Me and Kyudo have been doing 30 arenas since we got the tactics video, the first week we got 7-3, next went rly bad and we ended up with like 4-6 im not 100% sure, but this week im quite happy with the results, after 10 games we got 9 win 1 loss :) now we are at about 1460 rating, raised like 120 rating today :):) i almost pity one of the teams we faced, we won against em like 5 times :S
I just gotta say thnx again for the video of tactics Ellay :) its great, thnx ^^