Question,
Did you use the keyclone software on your main comptuer at all. Was at any time you pressing one key on your GF's account, and it hitting your GF's toon, and the 4 mages?
This woudl be account sharing, easily detectable and an easy ban. You could have IPs all across the world, but if you're doing things at the same time with accounts that all aren't perfectly named the same, Insta ban.
Something smells funny here. I'm getting the feeling there's a critical piece of data missing. Not trying to insinuate anything, probably just a simple miscommunication.
@Vyndree
an excellent post and response. i am amazed at how exacting the answers were. very nice
definitely should hit your wiki page
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=1
@Vyndree
Superb thread you managed to deliver there indeed.
Seeing three different Blues (if not mistaken) jumping in under a supportive and friendly - sometimes even humorously teasing the non-MB crowd- was a refreshing and very pleasant read.
/kudos to you for delivering such an EPIC thread for MBs.
Taipan
PS : wonder if Blizzard will start offering a "Buy FOUR accounts, get ONE free" package one day *whistle* 8)
Should be on the GM Conversations wiki page already. I added it last night, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42537#post 42537
The software to get around the GCD comment is what they usually use when you program delays into macros (such as you can do with the G15) so that it casts as soon as the GCD ends by itself. Some also do this with a macro that repeats the keypress for the length of the GCD exactly, so that it will always cast once, as soon as possible, whenever during the GCD you press the button. (ie gcdgcdgcdgcdCASTWORKSgcdgcd and the cast can be anywhere in that snippet - it will go off ASAP and the gcd eats the rest)
It's not so much having no GCD, as being able to cast and let it wait the GCD out itself, without timing your key presses.
If that's what they meant then it is something easy to do, does qualify as botting/automation in many blue answers, and isn't doing anything that the server would prevent itself.
Ya... and that's most everyone supporting multiboxing, except the original poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Anahka',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42564#post42 564
If you post in that forum with a toon name & realm (NOT any account info), the blue's will make sure the ban emails get resent. They often clarify stuff too, if you really think this was a keyclone issue.
For some reason I enjoy reading this thread.
ok, i need to get some clarification on this so I don't get screwed up here myself. Should I call blizz and ask all this?
I have 6 accounts. I know, I'm kinda crazy but I can afford it... ( I remember being at an event with "Mr. T" one time, some guy yelled out of the crowd " Hey Mr. T, why you wear all that Jewelry around yo neck!?!?" Mr. T said in his gruff menacing voice, " Cause I can affode it!!!" , same deal :) )
I have one account that has been my main account for a long time, in my real name, that I play all the time, my main toon, nobody has the pw but me.
I opened another account, put it in my gf/fiance's name in the account info page, its her main, but I have access to it because I'm paying for it. Sometimes I log in to check stuff for her, I've never had a reason to play it for her although I might someday want to for some reason. Sometimes I would log in and look at her quest log to verify something I had a question about, or how her buttons were set, whatever. But its in her name, its just being billed to me. We live in different locations.
I have 4 more accounts I opened up for multi-boxing. They are all in my name on the account page. I moved my rogue from my main account to one of these accounts and gave that login info to her so she could log in and let her son play with us when I'm not multi-boxing with my other toon on that account. She does not give him the login, she regulates his time on the pc and the game this way. I am the only one that logs into the other three accounts to use with my multi-box team.
Now this has got me worried and wondering..
Is my account that is in her name at risk because we both log into it?
If I change the account info on her account back to my name, and she logs into it is it at risk?
Should I not let her log into my multi-box/rogue account that is in my name, is that at risk? If we wanted her son to be able to play at the same time as us, does he need his own account in his name?
Is my main account at risk because of these things?
I have no idea what you're trying to say, but of course I don't think this was because of Keyclone.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'erinfudge',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42566#pos t42566
Yes they are, if theres a person playing the account that isn't the actual owner the account can be banned.
The only people that can ever log into an account (without a ban risk) are the registered subscriber (name on the account - NOT THE BILLING INFO) and one minor child of that person.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42571#post42571
So, you can pay for your g/f's account - you can't play it without risking a ban on her account and yours. Her son cannot play your account (unless you've adopted him or something), but he can play hers.
Yes, your main account could be risked by the account sharing. It's one of the few offenses they do say they may ban the accounts that were shared AND those of the person sharing them (though it is probably unlikely). But, if you want to know if it is a risk, yes it's a risk. http://us.blizzard.com/support/artic...rticleId=21506 That lists the penalties - read the last two under account sharing.
No, I don't either. I was trying to say that despite the thread's original poster, most there are rather supportive of multiboxers and he is not likely to get flamed if the OP of this thread wants to actually ask a blue for help. He mentioned not having the emails about the bans, and he should by now. They could resend them to him. Also, if the circumstances ARE as the first post mentioned, then they'd likely help clarify that it was not keyclone & tell him where to go. It'd be better for everyone if it were cleared up. This is just supporting the flamers as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Anahka',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42573#post42 573
@Mac:
1.: Mr. T affords it with those NIGHT ELF MOHAWK commercials ;)
2.: GF's acct: If you only log on it for minor checkups and not actually playing her acct SHOULD be in the clear.
3.: Son borrowing: Possibly an issue. It's HER kid(technically and at the moment wink wink ;) ) and not her acct; if he gets in trouble and they find it's not you, you're fucked. His IP and probably mannerisms would vary greatly from yours.
4.: You cannot change the First/Last name or Address of an account once it is entered; it is permanent unless someone at Blizzard manually goes in and changes it and I'm not sure if they do that unless you provide the secret question/answer and the original CDkey of the account as mentioned in another thread(if this is true I'm going to fix my main account with this asap, I'll have to get the question answer from the previous owner who gave it to me 3 frickin years ago, and I already have the cdkey)
Thank god:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'erinfudge',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42566#pos t42566
"This is me not automating the "Lock" thread function."
Syndri stopped that thread from going on and on and on and on ...
[quote='kibbles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42584 #post42584][quote='erinfudge',index.php?page=Thread&postID=425 66#post42566]
[quote='Anahka',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42564# post42564]FYI: [url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5284849690&sid=1&pageNo=1[/url][/quote]
Ya... and that's most everyone supporting multiboxing, except the original poster.
If you post in that forum with a toon name & realm (NOT any account info), the blue's will make sure the ban emails get resent. They often clarify stuff too, if you really think this was a keyclone issue.[/quote]Thank god:
"This is me not automating the "Lock" thread function."
Syndri stopped that thread from going on and on and on and on ...[/quote]
I'm glad. That particular OP needed a good spanking. Though I see from [url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5286959849&postId=52356078609[/url] he hasn't quite learned his lesson yet.
I'm still waiting for him to post in [url='http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1']my thread[/url].
I know of exactly 1 person who has successfully changed the name on their account from 1 real name to another -- they had their name legally changed, and had to provide to Blizzard notarized copies of multiple pieces of information. Including proof of the legal name change (the form from the gov't), picture ID, credit card billing statement, secret question/answer, etc. And even then it took 3-4 months, iirc.
It is possible to get your name changed if you have typos or a fake name but you have to go through the same hoops to prove you are the original account owner. Just saying "well I used John Brown as my char name yet my real name is Jack Black" won't cut it.
It's not something that is easy, and definitely not something Blizzard will do just because you have the cd key and secret question/answer.
Generally they only fix obvious typos, legal name changes, and a child user turning 18 and wanting the account moved to their name. Usually these changes involve legal documentation, IDs, notarization, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42580#post 42580
If it was actually someone else's, it's highly unlikely.
I love this posting by a BLUE:
I, and I think the same is true for a lot of us here, would like to shake the hands of two people with the ability to run Karazhan multiboxing.Quote:
Q u o t e:
One of the threads regarding this issue in which two multi-boxers who each run 5 characters at a time chimed in had them making plans to 2-man (with 10 characters between them) a 10man raid.
While I can see the potential issues inherent, surely you, Blizzard and everyone else can see the huge advantages in this as well.
Otherwise the question of multi-boxing wouldn't even be an issue... ever.
I don't think it trivializes any accomplishments--it's an amazing accomplishment in itself. [ Post edited by Belfaire ]
I acsidendly ignored teh Global CD at one point, it was an addon called AutoBuff.
It was rather cool actualy, it took the GCD off lifetap and bound it to the scroll button, so wen i scrooled i got insta 100% mana :S but then i deleted it of course :)
and wen i think of it the whole dam addon was rather on the gray side XD aouto buffed me :P well not literaly but wen i pressed enny key on my keybord and was not buffed id buff myself.
... still rather special ban, hope you can reverse it.
My thoughts on reading this were that blizzard, or represenatives there of have decided that although Dual Boxing is ok, it is a violation of the global cooldown to have 5 mages blast 5 fireballs at a time when a PLAYER was meant to have to wait for the global cooldown (prolly like half a second in this case) before they cast a second dps spell like that. Now even though you didnt do this through hacks on multiple accounts you DID cast way more spells at a time then one player was meant to cast. This is just my speculation on what one or multiple reps of blizz may be thinking and prolly is wrong however if this was a new way of them thinking it would be a easy way for them to still allow multiboxing while dealing with the whiners who dont like taking 5 simoultanious fireballs to the head in BG's. for example, its ok to run around with a warrior and a priest and have the priest heal the warrior and help dps but its not ok to have 5 priests cast smite on the same target at the same time since ONE PLAYER is doing way too many actions IN A ONE SECOND TIME(what the global cooldown is basically to prevent).........again this is only my speculation on what may have gone through that GMS head, it makes sense to me that they would implement something like this eventually. I only share this because on the off chance that im on to something here, i hope no one else gets their accounts screwed before we find out about some new BS policy that wasnt made common knowlege.....(please dont flame me, i know this sounds 'out there')
I don't think so, Tooboxinit.
Getting around the GCD means that spells were probably cast within a split second of the GCD resetting or that spells were cast before the GCD reset.
To be completely honest, I don't think we are being told everything.
Let us not speculate on why this happened. You're operating on zero information here without the email the OP is waiting on. Furthermore, they probably won't even discuss why the account was banned as is their custom where purported "exploits" are concerned, outside of a line or two of vague text in a form mail.
Therefore, a macro that assists a character and casts a fireball is OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by tooboxinit',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42610#pos t42610]My thoughts on reading this were that blizzard, or represenatives there of have decided that although Dual Boxing is ok, it is a violation of the global cooldown to have 5 mages blast 5 fireballs at a time when a PLAYER was meant to have to wait for the global cooldown (prolly like half a second in this case) before they cast a second dps spell like that. Now even though you didnt do this through hacks on multiple accounts you DID cast way more spells at a time then one player was meant to cast. This is just my speculation on what one or multiple reps of blizz may be thinking and prolly is wrong however if this was a new way of them thinking it would be a easy way for them to still allow multiboxing while dealing with the whiners who dont like taking 5 simoultanious fireballs to the head in BG's. for example, its ok to run around with a warrior and a priest and have the priest heal the warrior and help dps but its not ok to have 5 priests cast smite on the same target at the same time since [color=#990099]ONE PLAYER[/color] is doing way too many actions [color=#660066]IN A ONE SECOND TIME[/color](what the global cooldown is basically to prevent).........again this is only my speculation on what may have gone through that GMS head, it makes sense to me that they would implement something like this eventually. I only share this because on the off chance that im on to something here, i hope no one else gets their accounts screwed before we find out about some new BS policy that wasnt made common knowlege.....(please dont flame me, i know this sounds 'out there')[/quote]
In fact...
[quote='Belfaire
A macro that assist a character, casts fireball, waits 1.5 seconds (global cooldown), casts fireball, waits 1.5 seconds (global cooldown), casts fireball, etc. would be automation.
In the first example, you must press a key every time you want to cast fireball. In the second example, you can press a key, walk away from your computer and go make a sandwich, come back and the mob will be dead. Therefore, automation.
Furthermore...
Sending a macro that presses the "assist <so-and-so>, cast fireball" button on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc... computers is OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belfaire
Sending a macro that presses the "assist <so-and-so>, cast fireball, wait for GCD, and cast fireball again, repeat" on any of your computers is automation.
In the first case, you must press a key every time you want your characters to make an action. In the second case, you can walk away from your computer(s) and make a sandwich and come back and the mob will be dead. Automation.
You're welcome to post your question on this thread if you're curious, though. I'm sure one of the 3 blues reading the thread will answer appropriately if more clarity is needed.
I tend to spam the hell out of my nuke button when I'm playing a single character, let alone when multiboxing and I know that they aren't quite perfectly in sync. Manually spamming the button certainly does not get around the GCD, but I'm sure I'm within 200ms of it at most. I would think it would be difficult differentiate this from a cleverly programmed automated system. I know there is a way for applications to differentiate between keystokes raised by hardware and by software, but of course all the key presses keyclone sends to the clones are raised by software and those are considered legit, so that's not really a safe way to tell a bot.
Perhaps going into too much detail on how they detect bots isn't a good idea anyway, since it may give those with nefarious motives information to use to go undetected.
I'm not sure how clever the automation tools are but I would assume that Warden has some basic pattern matching. If your WoW recieves a sequence of keypresses and the interval between keypresses is almost exactly the same to within a few milliseconds you can probably assume some kind of automation tool is at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Anozireth',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42630#pos t42630
One concern I have is the following which I first noticed when using AHK:
What happens when you hold down a key?
Now with AHK you can script it 2 ways. One way is to keep sending KeyDown, KeyUP messages, in other words, a keypress is spammed. The other way to script it in AHK is that a KeyDown message is sent and then it waits for the key to be released before a KeyUp message is sent.
I use the 1st way to handle my hotkeys and the 2nd to handle movement, I hold the key down for movement but never for my hotkeys.
Now the first way of spamming a key to a WoW session when the key is being held down can be seen as an exploit to get around the GCD. You will probably send 100s of keypresses to WoW in the 1.5s of the GCD.
I am not sure how KeyClone works but if you are able to configure it in such a way that if you hold a key down it spams the wow sessions with the keypress then I can see how Blizzard can classify it as GCD exploit.
OTOH: The GM may just have been clueless.
Your timing is a lot more random than an automated system would be, unless it was programmed to include a random delay. It would be pretty easy for Blizzard to monitor the timing of your keystrokes on the client side and buts you for botting if they don't look random enough. In fact, I'd be shocked if they're not doing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Anozireth',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42630#pos t42630
I think it will suffice to say it would be very simple to program a bot so that it doesn't produce keystrokes at exact intervals. I think I will leave it at that to avoid going too far into questionable territory.
Here's what it comes down to... and it's pretty simple.
Do not use multiple accounts with different names. (Made-up names or not).
Solution: Be the original owners of ALL of your account... not your girlfriend, fiance, wife, husband, cartoon characters...have all the contact info the same across all the accounts.
Anything that adds a delay into a macro is bannable. (using G15, Nostromo n52 software so that you cast a fireball then wait 1.5 seconds then casting another one)
Solution: Only use macros within WoW, do not create macros using a 3rd party software.
Use those extra keys for shift-1, alt-1 instead.
I use autobuff on all of may mains, one is a warlock, and I've never had it ignor GCD, id have to guess it was something else doing it :P
I'm still waiting to find out more about what happened. Would like to know their reasoning.
I think, as a multiboxer, you're going to have to be above reproach. Meaning you are going to get a LOT of attention and while I know MOST players have shared an account at one point or another, and some do it on a REGULAR basis... Multiboxers can't get away with that.
Why?
Because we ARE going to get /reported at some point. It WILL happen (hasn't happened to me yet) and whether the reporting was justified or not... the GM will look at all your shi.... stuff. If they see something amiss they probably HAVE to do something about it.
To the OP, I noticed you began your MBing career using AHK... did you still have that running? Where you using it for anything?
Ooh, good catch there.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The IT Monkey',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42662#post426 62
If you were using any delays via AHK, these sort of things do take time to investigate, so you could possibly be getting a ban for something that happened some time ago.
Oh my... I use the g15 keyboard. I don't use the macro keys function tho (some program that initiates a series of keypresses with one keypress which is technically botting, I avoid that! But is that what you're refering too? I am however using the secundary F1 - F12 and 1-6 keys that are on the left side.. I won't get in trouble for that, right? >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42464#post4 2464
And it shouldn't be possible at all to get past the GCD as it is server side.
Correct. So long as you're using them to either generate "/cast <blah>" or generate otherwise hard to use key combinations (which is how I use mine), you're in safe territory.Quote:
I am however using the secundary F1 - F12 and 1-6 keys that are on the left side.. I won't get in trouble for that, right?
I'm surprised Blizzard still has not sent this guy an email.
no email is really odd, either he regristered the accounts to same fake email also, or hes got a real problem. I would be calling blizz's support line asap.
I still haven't received an e-mail, I sent one, but all I got was an automated reply saying it has been received.
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Also, I never played my girlfriends character. Sometimes she would run my mages through SM while she was on her character on her computer, and I was on my mages on my own computer. I do use a g15 keyboard, . As for the g15 keyboard, I only used three of the extra buttons, which was "Follow" "FollowTank" and "Formation" Follow would make all follow the main mage. FollowTank would make all follow my Warrior, and Formation would make my toons follow each other in order. Computer 1 and Computer two were both playing WoW with Linux (Using WINE), the third with all the toons were using Windows XP.
(Edit: all three computers have a g15 keyboard)
Use the retrieve account name function on the main site to check that the registered emails are correct: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/login...ount-name.html
That'll automatically send an email, assuming the email you enter is registered to at least one of the accounts.
If you don't get that, you have a problem with the email. If it gives no error on the page, then something's probably filtering it (happens a lot with comcast and yahoo for some reason). If it gives an error, you're checking the wrong email.
If the email needs to be changed, you'll have to call billing. Account admin will only send you a message that they won't talk to an unregistered email if the email you sent from isn't the registered one (the message received thing is automatic and doesn't mean that you sent from the right email).
On your gf's account... well you might not have played it, but by transferring to it you were claiming that it was yours and subject to a ban if it was not. Last name is simply all the computer checks - the rule is only transfers between your own accounts (ie Bob Smith registers one as Bob and one as Bobby and the computer doesn't care, and it's within the rules.... Bob & Sue Smith transfer and the computer doesn't notice, but if anyone looks, the rules are against it and both may be banned - in theory). However... it again doesn't really fit what the GM said. Is there any software that might be installed on her computer as well? Any game optimizers or such (many of those have functions that can be used as speed hacks and WILL trigger Warden)?
However, they usually go about problems with the registered names in a slightly different way. It doesn't honestly sound like this is the problem (though it may prevent you from retrieving the misnamed accounts even if they do unban them and it IS a bannable offense waiting to be caught). Unfortunately if the G15 or autohotkey ever did cross the line, even temporarily or by mistake - it might have been only for a day and took them a while to process it all - they aren't going to tell you which. It would simply say 3rd party software/ automation ban.
Might be worth noting, Blizzard does NOT have to give a reason for banning an account. I pulled this from the TOS:
Blizzard’s Absolute Right to Suspend, Terminate and/or Delete the Account.
BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE THE ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Use or the EULA.