The reason why people aren't playing 5s is because most people don't like arena. And don't like being forced there to get the best and 2nd best gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
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The reason why people aren't playing 5s is because most people don't like arena. And don't like being forced there to get the best and 2nd best gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
I've always enjoyed battlegrounds, and have always disliked arena.
But have run arena because that is where the best gear was/is.
With the ability to get the best gear from Battlegrounds without having to do Arena at all...
I doubt I'll step into the arena again.
Arena is superior to battlegrounds, as an e-sport.
Battlegrounds seems to have larger appeal to the masses.
Each individual will like one more than the other (aside from a few who like them equally), and liking one more than the other is not right or wrong.
I'd like to see each arena team with exactly equal gearing, much like their advertised dungeon challenges.
That way the winning team is probably the more skilled team (although lower ping might change things), rather than the more geared team having a huge edge.
Rating would be a more accurate measurement of pvp skill, if everyone had the same gear.
Of course then you'd need to work out an incentive to arena...
i love the change for my lets say 2nd group that can olny play in big bg's (av ioc eots ab) mages/warlocks (maybe even shammys) that have noway to play arana becouse the right setup you be killed. but its like fram max honor gear then thats it nothing else to do with this group. or solo play them in arana but to be fair am mutiboxing so i do not need to solo play so why spend days takeing them in one by one when i can fram out bg's (hello av weekends ;) )
now if they got rid of randoms and made it play what bg's you like/can do and get same stuff Happy Days!!
Ebony is that a full stop in your sentence? That's a world first! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
Exactly, this is why I think alot of players will stop doing arena. If your not going to get above 1500 in arena or rbgs to raise your point cap there is no point in doing arenas. Since the same gear is available via random bgs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
One thing to note tho is that it will req 27 wins from BG to cap the 1350ish cap.
It will go way faster to cap via arena, or RBG, still a thing that i think people should take into concideration.
From my personal view, i will prob focus on BG and RBG next season, thats what i enjoy the most.
Thats debatable and varies for each individual person. However, I think its wrong to state opinion as fact. I still get under 5 min wsg/ab/eots wins and I still get 20 min 2v2 games or 5 min+ 3s games. Although, I could a major revitalization of speed rushing AV games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emo?
I like the change. Except bring back the the ladder steping for acquiring "arena gear". And when i say arena gear.....gear with cosmetic changes only.
1200 - different color chest
1400 - different color hands
1600 - different color helm
.....and so on
2200 - then you could get the upgraded weapons
But weapons would be the ONLY thing you could get(points too obviously) that effected stats from doing arena. It wouldnt make me mad either if they raised the weapon rating.
well that would be cool but with transmogrification I know I will be rocking other seasons pvp/pve gear. Gear cosmetics is no longer any kind of status symbol come 4.3Quote:
Originally Posted by cmeche
what's the point in that? PvE you can get heroic gear with better stats. PvP you get colors yay
Forgive me if this sounds combative, but I thought arenas was about the challenge, not just the gear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
Aye. PvP is about the competition and nothing more... well that and PNAD (pwn noobs all day). Really happy resilience will be a baseline stat in mop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Ok well let me go with your devils advocate. I guess everyones idea of pvp is just to win. Let's take gear completely out of the game then. Yes I enjoy pvp, and yes I expect my gear to get better. If its only to "pwn noobs" well I guess I'll take my ball and go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Edit: to be even more clear this game is all about showing off epeen. Seriously they have achievements for a reason. Let's just remove all reward from the game and see how many people want to play.
You are seriously butt hurt over this arnt ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
I could give a rats ass over colors. But that should be the only reward for higher and higher rating....
I play the game because it boosts my IQ
can you teach me to new more strong like you cmeche? J would be most appreciative.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmeche
Histrionics aside, I can understand your position. At least you're honest about it. I personally get more satisfaction in blowing up people despite being the gear/level underdog rather than roflstomping folks 40 iLevels and 2500resil below me but to each his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
Just to be clear I don't enjoy killing defenseless people. The most fun I've had in this game was killin a horde guild that liked to camp pve people at the fire lands quest hub. It took about 15 before I couldn't handle them. Granted they weren't coordinating their targets.
Doesn't matter, thread well be locked soon. People can't help but come on and troll.
And in response to your reason for editing your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
I edited your posts for the "F word." I let that fly from time to time but you're getting too comfortable with
it in this thread. You're getting pretty hurt over this change and if you continue to feed any trolling you can
expect that they'll stick around and continue to poke you with a stick -- This is common knowledge on the
internet.
I would hardly call the responses to your posts in this thread to be trolling anyway. You're taking this
change way too seriously and people are responding sarcastically because you're blowing up about it. Be
the bigger person and ignore it because I would find it hard to believe that you've never ever trolled
anyone on the internet before and you're an innocent victim.
/back on topic
I don't like Arena, either. I like this change in 4.3.
Well, sorry to ask, but why do YOU expect your gear to be better, you are 500 points behind other teams? They should have the best gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
Multibocks, you think I'm trolling you? Seriously? You're angry about the proposed change yet your position as to why appears to be based on a premise ("I should get gear that makes me god-like in PVP vs people that don't have my gear") that just makes it less likely you'll have anyone to blow up. I originally thought your complaint was about the MMR system being broken in general but you seem to only have a problem with PVP when it's broken in favor of your opponents.
Honestly? Let's revisit some previous comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
This comment was two posts after and (I presume) in response to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
Which leads me to believe you only want gear from arenas if it gives you a material advantage over your normal opponents. Thus my question, which was basically, "How is having the best gear stats by a wide margin only available from highly-rated arenas challenging or fun unless you just like beating up 'defenseless' opponents?" especially when you admit you hardly play anyone in 5's now anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmeche
I'm not picking on you personally or your motivations. Everyone likes to feel all-powerful and blow people up.
If that's not what you were complaining about, then maybe this is an ESL thing or I'm just totally misunderstanding why you're angry about the change(s).
Because it feels good to see your stats go up, having my character a different color does nothing for me. Nothing more to it than that, but feel free to pick apart my comments more; I prepared them all on a napkin.
edit: It's nice to see that new high crit, new health pool (150k sweet!), stuff like that. I regularly face opponents with the same gear so no I'm not picking on the little guys. I don't attack people, I defend myself. But I'm sure some internet sleuth will come up with one example where I attacked the poor defenseless 80 year old lady with mace on her birthday.
editX2:That troll comment was to Cmeche and Valkry, because their differing opinions were not voiced in a constructive manner. I don't mind your debate. If yoiu look back I even made a comment towards that but it was eaten by the mods. Not that cmeche's comment was changed. Flag the person who threw the last punch and all that.Quote:
Multibocks, you think I'm trolling you?
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Originally Posted by cmeche
pvp is broken a long time in this game :-)
btw. i met a 393 !! (incl.dragonwrath) PVE equiped mage in the 5v5 pool the last week for some games.
took one char out in 3 sec alone, 50k crits on 4k resi.. couldn't believe my logs first until i looked him up in armory.
QQ because you will not be the only one with the best gear (though how you would earn it 500 rating behind is beyond me when even you disbelieve you can improve) to pwn noobs (you say you dont want to yet you are angry all the lower rating people wont be queueing up in arena anymore) does not warrant constructive feedback.
You call us trolls, I may be black, but you are a kettle.
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Originally Posted by Klesh
Nice attack on Klesh's reasonable post. At least I'm man enough to admit I'm a bit immature and trollish on these forums. Get off your high horse mate, you are just as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
You will just have to deal with the fact that Blizzard are giving people who don't like arena, a way to avoid it. Maybe you should go to the suggestions forums over at Blizzard and try to help brainstorm - a way for arenas to work without relying on massive amounts of participants - with others who care about arena as much as you.
It's what I did slash have been doing for a while now. Except that my suggestion (not original but was showing my support for the idea) was to give CP to random BGs. I guess Blizzard does listen sometimes.
Gotcha. Well, let's just hope they pull it off and things improve in the BG/Arena space. I have my doubts but if they hit the right notes, they might actually start seeing some excitement again (beyond Kung Fu Panda, that is).
Welcome to WoW :P Epics haven't been epic since 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by Void
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1000G, firm.
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Originally Posted by drevil
why isnt there a pvp legendary? xD
"your dots ticks gives you "omgwtfbbq" buff that increase resilience with 50 and damage done with 2%(up to 50 stacks), when struck by an enemy you are healed for 40% of the damage recieved"
This could be compared to nerfs to PVE instances overtime.
Blizzard put resources into a arena set for example, or PvP set if you would like to call it that.
Now, only 5% of the communitybase (values made up obviously, just for example) get to get full set.
This leads to a problem for blizzard since they want as many people as possible to experience the game they have created.
In this case, i think its a good idea and you can compare it with the PVE part since, you will have your full gear in the end of the season = nothing unfair.
any new movie coming out soon emo? To few boxing pvp vids these days ;)
Hehe, well i have some ideas for 4.3 / S11.
But no release dates yet or anything, prob announce when i start to record.
Kinda wondering this myself. WOW has traditionally run a sort of roller-coaster, where for a while it seems as if Blizzard is promoting the stratification of the player base, then they go to the opposite extreme. WotLK was the first expansion where they skipped the first step and opened up the candy store for everyone, so maybe people really believed that they'd do things differently with Cataclysm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Svpernova09
But Blizzard has ALWAYS been about providing more access for more players. Even Vanilla WOW was a much more accessible game when compared to games like Everquest. Blizzard has been very very keen on making it pretty easy to keep up with the Joneses. I don't understand why, every time they hand out more candy, people seem to be shocked. "OMG they're making it too easy for everyone to get stuff!" Yeah, that's kind of what they've been doing for a good five years now.
The only thing stranger than that reaction will be the inevitable reaction from the self-styled "casuals" who will no doubt complain bitterly about how long it will take to get all the gear, and demanding that Blizzard remove the pre-requisites for weapons and shoulders because they "pay our $15 too!!!!"
I don't like this change because it diminishes my chances of pwning random players in 2 seconds. There are still very much players without a conquest weapon or with a weapon but only few pieces of ruthless gear running on random bgs. These casuals will be getting too much for a too little effort in 4.3.
Atleast 2200 rating weapon item levels should be increased to make more of a difference over tier1.
What a shame you are going to have to rely on your skill to pwn noobs instead :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa
I have perfected my wtf pwn rotation a long time ago. Can't get any more ownage out of my current team.Quote:
Originally Posted by valkry
I just hate the fact that it's possible for casuals to overwhelm and kill me easier with their shiny new no effort gear and noob skills. Atleast late in the season that is.
So for 20% of the season, you won't be able to one-shot noobs.
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I saw the anime face and I had to throw this in.
Warning: Profanity.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
that is all
hahaaaa....I love that movie.