I do it with large hands. 8-9-0 are still a reach for me, but I "know" where they are. learning to type properly can really help too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayne
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I do it with large hands. 8-9-0 are still a reach for me, but I "know" where they are. learning to type properly can really help too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayne
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Originally Posted by Fursphere
I have the large hand advantage too.
you know what they say about guys with large hands?
They have really big gloves.
Large hands are very helpful. Being able to hold left ctrl and still reach 0 - = with the same hand worked for me for a long time. A gamepad with a thumb stick once your used to it is infinitely better though. being able to move 8 axis and have jump + a modifier all on my thumb frees up so many buttons its amazing.
My setup is rather simple. I don't use any addons at all, except of recount every now and then to test DPS.
Am using the mouse to move my toons. Am driving my pally, as well as mouse clicking almost all of his abilities (probably one of the reasons I usually dont run OOM with the pally, spamming tanking rotations isn't required for heroics).
Buttons 2 and 4 are my DPS spam buttons (2 different ones to deal with eclipse procs).
Button 3 is a self heal for all my casters (not using this one anymore, it used to be useful early on).
Button 5 some instant DPS spells.
Button 6 is used on my shamans to throw a heal on my tank, not used very often.
7 to 0 are slightly used, mostly a dispel/purge key, thats it.
W is my mouseover cleanse, E = judgement.
R and T are used to strafe my followers left/right.
D is assist focus (my tank), F = follow focus.
Buttons Z, X, C, V and G are used for different heals (pressing them with my left hand thumb). None of them targeted on any specific toon except of renew/greater heal on the tank. Am healing any and all AoE damage with holy nova (loving my priest). I've setup a mouseover flash heal macro for the healer, not using it very often though, holy nova is too good.
^ is my oh shit my healer pulled aggro button. Hand of Protection on my healer as well as some self heal for the priest. Used that one once so far iirc.
Well, and ALT-T for magma totems and ALT-D to pop bloodlust.
That's it, pretty straightforward.
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Originally Posted by Svpernova09
cool man, i dont believe or take it personally. same can be said about you believing what i dont believe.
but anyway, back to topic agologies for not being constructive
Interesting key layout Svper. That's a lot packed into a pretty tight package. Interesting to see. How do you keep up DPS while moving? I'd presume you don't use the WASD movement control or you don't use your mouse when moving as I don't know how you could be mashing "8" and moving with WASD with only the left hand.
As for your defense of Fur, its pointless and you know it. Everything you need to know about that Fur's approach to dealing with long time members of this community is in this thread. Simply read my initial post and find where I was begging for help. No luck, right? Even the most reading comprehension challenged could see I was simply attempting to start a new topic that might be interesting to see how folks are running their toons. No pathetic cry for help. No newb poster asking for ez mode.
Here's Fur's contribution:
I mean seriously. How can you defend that? I'd be interested to hear how its my faulty interpretation skills on the above post and not about the author being an arrogant, condescending prick. ;)Quote:
There are a ton of ways to improve basic keyboard usage.
I've posted many before. I won't be posting them again though. its all about forcing yourself to think outside the box.
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Originally Posted by Greythan
If I need to move the tank, I just use the mouse or arrow keys. If I need to move the group, I use wasdqe. If the group is moving, I'm not DPSing, so no need to keep spamming 9 or 8 or 7. But if the tank is moving, I can keep spamming the DPS keys on the N52 with my left hand, and move the tank with the mouse / arrow keys with my right hand.
nevermind.
the amount of thread reports Svper would have to deal with isn't worth my original post.
Got it Svper.
Yeah, I guess I need to figure out how to move righthanded. Some of the pulls in FoS end up with me dps'ing a few down while one or two casters stay beyond my tank's reach. So, since the trash is pretty trivial I tend to stop dps'ing ("2" key for me) and WASD my tank over to them. Recently I've tried a little bit of mouse moving if the mobs are right in front of me so I can keep my DPS spam up.
Should follow Fur/your/other's advice to look at other hardware.... but.. I laptop box mostly and usually in a mobile location or regular living area (i.e., couch potato so I can multi-task and multi-box: television). :)
EDIT: Changed HoS to FoS
just had a thought - does anyone know of a keyboard with 2 really big buttons i can place in front of my 9 month old; the idea being i'll link healing to those 2 buttons which frees the adult keyboard to do DPS and Tank. And preferably plays nursery rhymes too
One of those foot keyboards might work for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefunk
I have something like this, I used some spare buttons from some mame cabs I built.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefunk
If you an find a playskool trackball, they are nice, basically a ball the size of a mini basketball that doesnt pinch fingers and has two slappable large buttons on both sides. I think its only PS2 however.
I heal with Grid and mouseover macros. Its simple and work quite well, I have boss/enemy targeted at all time and just move pointer over any target in Grid to heal or dispel them.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanthor
F1-F12 (F1-F5 used to be my healing buttons pre-repeater regions)
F6 = dps cooldowns,F7 defensive cooldowns, F8 all assist current window, F9-F12 = long cooldowns like Elementals.
1-= mostly littered with my /click macros with creative planning for situational nuking...
Whole Numpad - Totems/Trinkets/Blessings watershield/weapon buffs/seals etc...
Click heal with repeater regions... Left Mouse, Right Mouse, Middle Mouse, Mouse 4, Ctrl + Mouse4, Shift+left click.
MKeys on the G11 (Keybroadcasting/MouseBroadcasting toggles)
G1-G5 window swapping
G6 Toggle Click to move on and off
G13-18 = Formations + KeyMap Toggles
Arrow Keys: UP all move up, Down all move down, Left all but tank strafe left, Right all but tank strafe right
F = All Follow
Ctrl + T = Interact With Target (all)
T = Interact With Target Melee only (when applicable)
mouse wheel up: dps/heals/tank
mouse wheel down: same thing
mouse button 1: os button
mouse button 2: hero/mirror image
mouse button 3: drop totems
I then just target things and scroll my mouse. I basically play the entire game just with my mouse
Sure there are all kinds of situational buttons on my keyboard, but really what else do you need to do normally besides just your tank rotation, dps rotation, and heal?
Do you guys really micro manage your healing and stuff? Why? Just link heals/dps/tanking all to the same button and smash on it like a monkey. You guys make stuff too hard, seriously.
Where's the fun in that? My healer only heals when she needs to, which at this point is rarely. Right now, she can spend the majority of her time purging and DPSing instead of wasting mana on heals that aren't needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbobobb
I don't heal heroics either anymore except to hot up the tank before bosses. I'm not really talking about that, more I'm specifically talking about the multiple people here that have a billion buttons for every single heal on their bar for every single person in their group. If you're not involved in the very high end of pvp where you really need to play optimally or at least close, do you really need all this complication for boxing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khatovar
Efficency is key :P I used to multi-box 5s at decent ratings (1900-2100), and I like to be able to jump between bgs / world pvp / heroics/ 10mans / swap in real people in any slot and not have to reconfigure anything and still be optimal thus the ammount of buttons.
And these same people who don't have the gear yet to make heroics or even non-heroics trivial probably also don't have the gear to blow mana on casting a heal every button push. You're running a druid healer, you're supposed to roll hots and WG.
A lot of other people are running Shaman or Priest, even Holydins. Hell, some people don't even have dedicated healers, they rely on DPS heals like Rets with AoW procs or all Ele shammies with LHW and CH. Group healing requires varied targeting for certain classes and Tank +4DPS setups require more flexibility so as to not step all over DPS output when heals may be needed. 1 button healing is not the most effective way to deal with boxing for many people. Multiple healing configurations make things a lot easier for some people, not more complicated.
I had my healing bound to my dps button and my healer ran out of mana fairly quickly.... I found I just needed one button for healing the tank and the rest is done using the repeater regions /vuhdo setup...
Like Fur said, its the hax.
My original point was related to what I've noticed in the ICC 5 mans which is a fair bit of tank movement and team movement is involved. This is different in my experience from most of the original WotLK 5 man content.
So, i found myself needing to add more movement to my usual processes. This resulted in my sacrificing some DPS when forced to move as I move left handed and heal right handed (mouse region repeating). Its not a huge deal as I haven't been limited in what I can do other than my overall skill (groan) and gear.
Hence, I started this post to see if there were more efficient setups that might make it easier to do three things at once: movement, DPS, and healing.
Rolling HoTs with a druid is of interest. I have an 80 druid (balance geared) who I've been messing around wtih in tree form.
Fun topic ..... for the most part. ;)
I use a druid for heals and their AoE heal does a decent amount of healing, they are great for movement fights where they can heal just as effectively running around as when standing still, HoTs FTW.
I agree with you that the movement fights do make things more interesting in the latest dungeons. I simply have a left and right stafe key assigned to move my toons around as a group.
ISBoxer with Click regions really helps with healing using Vuhdo or Healbot.
I just bought this mouse, and it is simply amazing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fursphere
I'm pretty primitive, after all.
I don't use WASD to move much. I use "R" for autorun and I steer with the mouse. Or I click-to-move, because of all the threads about how awesome that is (click to move plus key bound to interact with target)
Button 1: I don't think this does anything, anymore. Might be my earth shield button on the resto, I forget.
Button 2: Hammer of Justice, or Wind Shear. OR something else on my hunter, but nobody cares about hunters.
Button 3: THIS IS WHERE THE ACTION IS! It's my 96969 pally macro (minus consecration), and the FS-LS-LB etc macro on shamans. It also activates all trinkets. Maybe elemental mastery too, I forget.
Button 4: Taunt and Lesser Healing Wave.
Button 5: Consecration and chain lightning and multi-shot. They spam well together.
Button 6: Avenger's shield and thunderstorm and frost trap/freezing arrow. Usually works fine because avenger's shield is on cooldown from the beginning, so if I'm spamming thunderstrorm in an emergency in the middle of a fight I won't waste a cooldown on avenger's shield.
Button 7: Self-buffs that you do before a fight, like Sacred Shield. Might be my Earth Shield button too, I forget.
Button 8: Empty for some reason.
Button 9: More self-buffs that are suited to pre-combat use; water shield and Seal of Right
Button 0: Follow focus.
Button -: Divine plea (i should probably put this somewhere else) and grounding totem.
Button =: Holy Wrath and Earthbind Totem. <--- the second one is just how it's always been since 2004.
I only really like to use 1-5 in combat. So I hit shift and go to my other bars, sometimes.
Shift+2, button 1: The "accept" macro you see around here. Invites everyone, accepts everyone, accepts quests and trades and all that at once.
Shift+2, button 5: Fire nova
Shift+2, button 7: Fire elementals
Shift+2, button 9: Earth elementals.
Shift+2, button 0: Drink water.
Shift+4, button 5: Flametongue weapon, and Righteous Fury.
Shift+3, button 6: summon non-combat pets (on the first press), target them and attach leashes (on the second press).
etc etc up to mount buttons. I don't use /click because it'd require starting over, and as you can see I'm set in my seemingly random ways.
I'm not posting this as an answer, but as a post that raises more questions as you figure out making your way through your own KEYBINDER'S ODYSSEY
And then? Since I only really use R to move around (unless I need to move everyone, then I use WASD) I sometimes take my hand off the mouse and hit the NUMPAD keys.
Numpad1 : Everyone heal my tank. alt+numpad1: Everyone chain heal my tank.
This goes for numpad 1-5. I can just add someone else's name into the target line of the macro if I swap out an alt.
Numpad6: EVeryone chain heal yourself.
Others I forgot about:
F key: Assist focus. (useful in ToC mounted combat etc)
G and H keys: These are my 2-part spread out macro.
[ and ] keys: One equips the argent lance, the other equips your main weapon.
~ key: interact with target.
Only tank interact with target.
....... what about Halls of Reflection? (Heroics)
no longer helping here
I noticed two major changes in the new 5 mans:Quote:
Originally Posted by Greythan
1) An attempt to end AoE faceroll tanking. There just isn't places to LoS pull all the mobs together in the new dungeons
2) Massive amounts of party AoE damage. Healers have to take it up a notch or three. (where in current gear the old heroics barely require healing at all)