Mob tagging is not a exploit, but taking advantage of it to boost other ppl EXTREMELY fast can be bannable, mob tagging inside instances in other words.
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Mob tagging is not a exploit, but taking advantage of it to boost other ppl EXTREMELY fast can be bannable, mob tagging inside instances in other words.
Whats bannable is what that "first to 80" guy did. He was going in and out of his group constantly (only going back in right before the instance would kick him). Thats bannable, because you are explointing the instance kicking mechanisum.
Doing the exact same thing outside of an instance is not bannable, although there is no reason to drop in and out of your group outside an instance cuase you won't be kicked from the world lol ....
What these people are doing is not bannable. If you are in an instance and stay in your group all the time you are fine, although its "not working as intended" they are not banning anyone for using it right now.
Smooth what addon is that for the exp record? Keghia Whats the 6 X 6 matrix to the right, buffs on your group and the target?
My 8K is repeatable as long as I run back to the start (by the time I kill all and run back the mobs have repoped). The pirates place is better as you dont have to run back anywhere its like a circle.
Well lol it looks like the level 80 dosnt take much of the low levels exp at all inside the instance, hummm .... well. I can see why its not "working as intended".
It was just a SM Cath 2 pull clear with a 80 warrior. The add on is called XP Timer, basically the same as the titan addon but a stand alone.
Heres what you do Sam... I know people have told you before and you just ignore them but I'm going to say it once.
Get a group of 5 pallys who are linked and quest RAF them to 60. This will probably take you about 36 hrs since you haven't done all the quests yet.
Use those pallys to each boost their RAF group to 45, this will take about 8-10 hrs using a lvl 60. Probably just 2 hrs or so from where you are at now. Then quest em up to 60, another 10 hours or so.
You could have all 60s in no time.
Better yet just finish your groups you have already by questing them to 60. Probably take you 12hrs for each of them.
Do you even have any RAF time left Sam? I mean it seems like you have been leveling forever....
My raf is done cept on the mages (I have one leader linked to 4 accounts by raf so the 4 can make 2 new characters with grants when they hit 60). As most my guys are 45ish its just not worth it to raf again, Ill just use rested mostly. Still I am thinking of rafing the mages to 60 first before I go back to work on the shaman. And the Pal is 50 so maybe he can instance boost a bit not sure.
Right now I have 24 shaman (dropped one) and 5 mages and 1 pal. Ill raf grant a new mage with the others when they get to 60 (and have one other character I can raf grant all the way up, not sure maybe a warlock for transport). Plan is to play 31 (1 pal and 6 groups of 1 mage and 4 shaman).
Yeah, sam, you're so awesome leveller that 8 months after starting and 3 RAFs your highest level is barely 50... sure worth bragging about... why don't you post a screenshot of your /played for entertainment value...
It IS working as intended. You have always been able to boost in an instance with a high level. Just now you get 3x the xp because you have RAF bonus.
The formula for xp is the same ratio of xp goes out for the ratio of levels.
With 4x30s and a 80 in a group its like this for one of the 30s. 30/(30+30+30+30+80)= 0.15
So the 30s each get 15% what they wouldv'e got if they killed it solo. But then you add in a 43% multiplier for 5x group bonus and 3x for RAF and 2.75x for elite.
My 29 would have got 182 xp for killing a 36.
182*2.75 for being elite=500
500*0.148(my ratio of xp at 29)=74
74*3 for RAF bonus = 222
74*0.43 for 5x group bonus = 32
74+222+32 = 328 What I get in SM killing 36 elites. approximated
The 6x6 matrix on the right side of my screen is merely a replication of the buttons on the left of my G15 (1st generenation). I prefer to use them on my shammys to give me a large range of options when it comes to dropping totems.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190514#p ost190514
I dont think there are any buffs on me at that point. I think the first toon had drunk some potion I picked up, but other than that, no buffs. The level 80 was merely running through the dungeon and I was following at a safe distance doing nothing. Not touching any mobs, not getting involved, just staying close enough to get the xp. The fastest SM Cath run was 6mins from entering the dungeon, to existing the dungeon. We hit the five dungeons per hour wall in 35 minutes. If you played for 16 hours one weekend (8 hours a day), and just constantly switched out 5 man teams when you hit the 5 dungeons per hour wall, you would be getting a constant 250k/hr on all your guys, easily. Thats 4 million xp spread over 24 shammys = 166k xp per shammy. If you need around 50k to level, thats three levels for every single shammy in your group, probably four for some, in one weekend.
I understand that you are out of RaF and I understand that there are a million other variables to take into account, but its more of just an example of how much xp is there for the taking in dungeons.
Listen to Smoooth, he has the smarts.
Its 222+32, you dont get the base and 3X for raf, just the 3X.Quote:
My 29 would have got 182 xp for killing a 36.
182*2.75 for being elite=500
500*0.148(my ratio of xp at 29)=74
74*3 for RAF bonus = 222
74*0.43 for 5x group bonus = 32
74+222+32 = 328 What I get in SM killing 36 elites. approximated
Dont you get 1/2 exp if the mob is grey to anyone in the party? Or does that not kick in in instances?
Still as the level 80 is doing the killing thats still insane, well math don't lie, Im off to SM lol .... Hope my 50 Pal is good enough.
The level 80 will retard the xp gain per kill by a HUGE amount. For example a 5man group with one 80 will get everyone else like 100xp a kill in an instance. If it was a 5 man group of level appropriate people they would be getting like 450xp a kill. What makes it efficiant to have the level 80 in the group is you can clear the instance in 5 minutes where it would take the level appropriate group 45min to clear it.
Okay here's one of my toons from my current team - I'm questing
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p...909_085122.jpg
From level 30 to level 40 is 572400 XP per toon (XP chart I used: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:XP_To_Level)
It took 8 hours and 15 minutes to level the team (thats 495 mins)
Here's the math bit: 572400/495 = 1156 XP per minute = 69381 per hour per toon
Thats about a 57% increase on your 'tag boosting' method
I had a team of 3 RAF accounts with two level 60 helpers - which reduces XP gained by a considerable amount, with a single booster this would have been a lot more (but maybe not as fast)
You can read this any way you like Sam but your vaunted tag boosting method sucks ass compared to almost any other way to get XP.
30-40 is going to give more then 32 per level. How much more I am not sure.
Still seems instance boosting has questing beat if your results are typical.
FFS...
Your original post was a 'beat this' one. I did. End of story.
AFAIK instance boosting is the quickest way to do it, but you CANNOT instance boost with a lvl 50 paladin, he won't clear it fast enough to make it worth your time.
The reason you're losing out on exp and taking so long to level is not because you're playing too many toons, it's because you have no knowledge of how to play.
You're an amateur trying to compete with professionals and so far they've been indulgent of your 'eccentricities', this won't last, especially if you do something dumb that brings us all into disrepute - like being too knowledgeable about [program that must not be named] for someone who doesn't do [activity that must not be mentioned].
TLDR summary: LRN2PLAY!
That didnt take long, lol.
The person with the highest IQ on the planet and the most advanced computers in the world, if he does not have common sense, he might as well watch re-runs of The Simpsons on TV and never turn on his computers.
I only speak for myself, I play WoW for fun and to try new things ( hardware or software), reading this thread is like a mosquito around my head that I am wanting to kill with my baseball bat, I know its going to hurt but I will feel better when I wake up.
don't let the naysayers get you down Sam, I understand your strat perfectly. You want to only hit level 70 once the next expansion is out, so that you have all of Northrend to yourself, and can win Wintergrasp every time since you will be the only person in there.
Then when the next Blizzard MMO is out you should be level 80, and will have the entire server to yourself as everyone else is playing the next MMO. Truly then you will be THE CHAMPION OF WOW.
Its a great strat and pacing yourself so you only do a level a week is a great way to maximize that strat. Also thanks for helping our economy and I hope you keep buying new accounts and RAFing them, since I bought ATVI stock it hasn't moved up enough really and I'm hoping you can single-handedly boost subscriber numbers by a few hundred.
Humm well if a 50 pal can't do the job then its tag boosting or questing for me and I hate questing. Still I gonna give it a try with a 50, those mobs aren't all that if I can clear 1/2 as fast still might be advantagous. Im in uglo crater now and that soil quest seems very easy enough (well I hate most quests not all), and is repeatable from what i understand. Still the whole thread was worth it for the math Smooth posted, so live and learn.
Ya Im not saying you didnt beat me Brown from the looks of it you did, as did 2 or 3 others.
And yet no one thinks that Perpared can't play or is to slow even though his Shaman have not gained a level in what now 3 or 4 months?
Man lotsa smack talk from guys who I slaughtered in EQ1 (if they played).
Well disgruntled victims, its to be expected.
Gee sorry if I know to much. I think it fair to say that everyone knows me enough to know I don't represent others or the "community".Quote:
like being too knowledgeable
Besides my play style is as different from a 5 boxer as a 5 boxer is as different then one character players, Prepared is my real competition and it seems I am gaining on him daily.
Umm look at your name to the left and tell me what it says under it. Then look at my name and tell me what it says under it.Quote:
You're an amateur trying to compete with professionals
LOL !!!! Awesome !Quote:
Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190628#po st190628
(Except I don't think he'll reach 70 even by the next expension :-) and ever 80 (unless Blizz nerfs the 70->80 xp)
ps: sam I told you many many times to get your pally and another to 61 with your first raf to do learn the game and help your others for boosting and now you pretend you don't know 50 won't work... idiot
Oh god seriously? You're resorting to comparing post counts with other users?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190641#p ost190641
Where's a good facepalm macro when I need it?
I just checked the armory, and it says Prepared is at 70. Perhaps he's learning the WotLK content solo first before he multiboxes it?Quote:
And yet no one thinks that Perpared can't play or is to slow even though his Shaman have not gained a level in what now 3 or 4 months?
People don't give much thought to Prepared and his levelling speed or anything because he isn't out there begging for attention.
Posting in a future locked thread.
edit: and it's post 420, I'll take that as a sign ;)
Also sam stop bringing up prepared when you know well that he has a 80 team... when you reach 60, then 70, you can start mentioning his name again... for now you're still the world worst wow player / slowest leveller ever. grats.
You're a *SNIP* if you get RAF on 4 guys and plvl you can get a lvl every 10-20min at that level if not faster. Get 1 char to lvl 80 and then say you're 1/2 way decent at wow. No one cares about pre-80 the game doesn't even start till 80.
Keep it clean please - Stealthymod.
Tag Boosting result - can you beat it?
Well that is a resounding yes. Don't get hung up on one game mechanic (tag boosting) just because someone used it successfully in the past and they got in trouble for it. The math just isn't going to work on tag boosting. What they were doing was one player earning all the xp from instance elites so it was a multiplier. The way your attempting to do it, is a division of xp. Tagging for a group of 5. And on top of that your doing it on normal mobs not elites. So using a method that has impressed you when done with a single person with your group is fundamentally flawed.
What you need to do is use the RAF mechanics as well as the normal game mechanics to your advantage. First lets look at various powerleveling methods. Instance boosting, Quest boosting. Both methods use a higher level toon to trivialize the content and minimize the ammount of time it takes. You dont have one of thoes, so you have a few choices. Level a toon so you can boost. The quickest would prolly be to get a guy to 55 or whatever, install Lich King, and build a DK. Out of the gate you will have a very OP 58 in full blue gear ready to rip up all the old school content and help boost your other accounts to 60. When I moved to a new server, this is what I did. Also what are you going to do with your level grants, you have to use them before your RAF is up and if im not mistaken you cant 'save' them and transfer your guys to a new account when RAF expires.
w/o a boosting toon, your looking at leveling each group by themselves. I cant see any reason to have the other 25 shamen follow you arround other than if your run into a PKer, but at your level they still wont be able to touch an 80. I would recomend speed questing. There are several guides you can follow that will maximize your time investment. This site has 1-60 RAF leveling guides for multiboxers. There is no reason to re-invent the wheel here. You could 5man some instances if you want, but w/o the booster it just wont be worth it compared to questing.
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Im sorry.....just as much super usefull information as some others, posting superuseless spam bullshit about how retarded Sam is. Go spam that stuff in one of those "you suck Sam" topics. Atleast keep it clean here.
As for Sam:
He,
I did my group of shamans until 40 in about 1 day orso? At that time my booster was a level 70 paladin with green-blue gear.
Like some other members already showed, I did a large chunck in Scarlet Monastary aswell. If you cant do that because you dont got a booster, then maybe (I dont know and to tired to calculate) you did the quests just fine.
Go level a booster and boost your groups to 60. Then play all the groups to 80.
Junglelove,
-Menthu
Lemme check...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190641#p ost190641
<looks up>
Maybe I need my glasses checked but I think it says wanker.
Can we lock this now?
oh man, I laughed at this irl. Loud. Its funny because that's the way its going to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190628#po st190628
Im not doing it because of the "first guy to 80", you are right he got all the exp and his 4 partners got zero. Thats not what I am doing at all mine is like this:Quote:
Well that is a resounding yes. Don't get hung up on one game mechanic (tag boosting) just because someone used it successfully in the past and they got in trouble for it. The math just isn't going to work on tag boosting. What they were doing was one player earning all the xp from instance elites so it was a multiplier. The way your attempting to do it, is a division of xp. Tagging for a group of 5. And on top of that your doing it on normal mobs not elites. So using a method that has impressed you when done with a single person with your group is fundamentally flawed.
Tag Boosting
and the link I have there.
The rulz are that no mob can be grey to the booster or the boostee's. And all members of the boostee group should be within 10 or less levels of each other. The more boosters you have the better as mobs just die faster, up to a point. Now I did not follow that perfectly cause the murlocks are like level 41 and my mages are like level 32 so they don't reliably land their spells on the higher level mobs so I need the Pal in their group to effectively tag, and he steals exp, but as the mobs are not grey to him its not to bad.
BUT as you say that 2.75 extra for elite mobs is huge, and in an instance you don't lose a ton if the mobs are grey to the booster, for some reason.
Ill be trying three different methods:
Killing level 50 mobs in Ugo whatever crater (found a spot with tons of mobs), the mages are getting like 180 a kill even with the Pal in the group.
Finding some level 36ish mobs that can be tagged with the mages constantly and killing them with the shaman after the tag.
Trying an instance with my 50 Pal.
Ill see how it goes. You need one character at level 60 to make a DK right?
:) I left a musical festival at 4:20 am yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by 'glo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190670#post1906 70
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Sam, you ran your mouth off and were well and truly owned... :P
Cheers,
S.