This explains why I do sooo badly at EVE...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191378#post19 1378
But the pretty laser beams make me feel good
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This explains why I do sooo badly at EVE...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191378#post19 1378
But the pretty laser beams make me feel good
Hey, my Gallente has Missile Launcher 5, but can't train Large Hybrid because his Gunnery wasn't 5. It's really sad when you consider he has 262k SP in missiles, but only 196k SP in gunnery. I had *NO* clue what I was doing back then. I likely still don't ;)
- Souca -
To clarify a bit, you have a couple of options for converting a trial account into a full account (doesn't matter if you got the free 14 day trial or the 21 day buddy trial or the 30 day trial with a Rock laptop):Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191432#post19 1432
Setup a subscription with CCP - you can pay by card or PayPal at 14.95 euros a month BUT the first month will cost 19.95
Buy a game time card and apply it to your account, 60 day GTCs are available from various places at about $35/27 euros - you won't have to pay the extra 5 euros BUT you will have to add 60 days to the account (there's an advanced gotcha for this but probably doesn't matter for a starter)
Buy a 60 day GTC and convert it to 2x PLEX but this requires that you to have an active account because converting GTCs to PLEX is done in-gameBuy 2x30 day PLEX from CCP for 34.99 euros and use them - PLEX are more expensive than 60 day GTCs or a subscription though but they can be sold in game to buy legit ISK
PLEX: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/...le.aspx?id=495 and http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/30_da...ense_Extension
GTC to PLEX: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/...le.aspx?id=493 (has links to GTC vendors)
I've never found GTC for less than the cost of Plex from CCP. If you know of a place, I'd love to know about it. Subscriptions are the cheapest, but once you can generate 320 mil per month in surplus, nothing is cheaper than free ;) That said, buying a few Plex for ISK really helps out with skill costs and implants. I bet you could recover the cost of the PLEX in a month from the increased time you'd be able to mine on young characters. Would be interesting to do the math sometime when I have some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191465# post191465
- Souca -
Being a newbie to eve I'd love to know how you do 'offline' training? I assume you mean you're paying for the accounts and simply log in once in a while to push new stuff into the queue?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191378#post19 1378
kind regards
I am talking about for myself or anyone else that is looking to start anew...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191432#post19 1432
[quote='Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191474# post191474]
[quote='RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1 91465#post191465]PLEX are more expensive than 60 day GTCs[/quote]I've never found GTC for less than the cost of Plex from CCP. If you know of a place, I'd love to know about it. Subscriptions are the cheapest, but once you can generate 320 mil per month in surplus, nothing is cheaper than free ;) That said, buying a few Plex for ISK really helps out with skill costs and implants. I bet you could recover the cost of the PLEX in a month from the increased time you'd be able to mine on young characters. Would be interesting to do the math sometime when I have some time.
- Souca -[/quote]
Historically, quite a few places sold GTCs at much less than the present price. I don't know what has happened, but some time in the last 6 months this has changed and the price of GTC have normalized, no matter where you get them from. Shattered Crystal is one of the best known sources - their price has nearly doubled.
Of course, [url='http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=544711']you can legitimately buy GTC for less than their normal price on the official forums[/url] , certainly cheaper than PLEX, - CCP allow players to trade them for in game cash. Some players have spent enormous amounts of money (£100,000 +) buying GTC and selling them for ISK to generate empire building ISK in the game. Depending on how patient you are you can pick up 60 day GTCs for 500-600mill ISK - the price is somewhat volatile depending on how many are presently being dumped on the market.
I would advise people to be very careful about buying ISK for RL cash - CCP have a somewhat unique approach to dealing with this - if they suspect you have done it they will deduct the amount from your character. If its been spent or no longer on your character you will end up with a massive NEGATIVE ISK balance - you won't be able to buy anything, insure your ship, or even take out a clone so you risk losing all your trained Skill Points.
I created buddy trials and gave them a bunch of ISK to pay for skills and implants. They sit in a station training all day. Since you can only play on trial account per computer, it's just easier to leave them be and play the other characters. I log on to them in the mornings and evenings unless I have a multiday skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'nomenquis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191480#po st191480
I know, I just was confused since I thought you had gotten buddy trial's from Robin. Apologies if I was wrong, work has been depriving me of sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Binaryzero',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191490#p ost191490
It's simpler than that; it's a violation of the EULA, so we don't do it. With a legitimate method to get to ISK from cash through Plex and GTC I don't know why anyone would go the illcit route. Money really isn't the limiting factor in Eve until you get to the really high end stuff. Until then it's mostly time. You can only train so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Flight',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191493#post1 91493
- Souca -
I know that mate and I support that stance. but I've played a lot ofQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191496#post19 1496
MMOs and been a member of a lot of anti-cheat forums. No matter how much you take
the moral ground there will be some members of this community who buy
in game cash for RL monies, whether you do or not. In this game its
stupid to do that, not just morally wrong.
As to 'offline' training I take it to mean getting training while your account is not live.
e.g. I want to train Battlecruisers V which will take approx 31 days
My account time expires in a week so I spend the next week training other skills and then a couple of hours before my time expires I set Battlecruisers V to train.
I open one of my other accounts and play that for a month, at the end of the month I set Drone Interfacing V to train (another 30 day skill)
I resubscribe/buy a GTC for the first account and I have Battlecruisers V trained up without paying for 30 days of play.
You can cycle through accounts like this for quite some time getting 'free' training but it does need a bit of planning ahead.
They stopped this in a patch last year mate. Now when your account expires training stops.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191553# post191553
Thats a shame, but it does mean I won't be bothering as much with EVE as I was hoping to. EVE is twice the price of WoW and about 1/10 the value, it was mainly the ability to offline train my chars so that when I came back they'd be able to do something that made it worthwhile.
Sorry guys, I'll carry on playing while I've got subs going but after that I'll be gone.
Whats really annoying is that EVEMon reports the skills as being trained! Grrr!
Edit: sigh... I really hate the way EVE screws you over
My 3 miners will finally get Retrievers on Friday!!! YES!!!! No more 589m3 of cargo space and constant dragging and dropping of minerals.
If you really aren't having fun, I can understand not playing. As for the subscription fees, you should be able to get to a point where you don't even have to pay real money for them. I know it's not as nice to have to pay for the character sitting on a 30 day skill, but it does open up the ability to have 4-5 miners that only get used to pay for other characters accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191637# post191637
My goal is to find a comfortable way to pay for my accounts with ISK. That way I can have more than I can play at once if it benefits me. If it means I spend a full week mining hardcore to pay for 6 months of all my accounts, then I'd be fine with that. How many accounts I have will end up being determined by how many I can support with in game funds without having to feel like I'm grinding too much.
I hope you can find a way to stay and still enjoy playing ;)
- Souca -
Sorry about last post it was a bit of 'late night melodrama', really should learn to go to bed rather than post after 8PM...
Thats said I am dissapointed in the change they've made, in practical terms it means that the cost of me playing EVE has increased by maybe 30%. So to get one of my mains to carrier, which was my ultimate plan, will cost 2 years of subs at 14.95/month which is 360! With careful planning I was going to save about 6 months of that time with ghost training.
Like I say I'll still play but I suspect in the long run that I won't have enough time to grind the mining to make the ISK to buy a PLEX each month, should be okay in the short term, especially with some buddy program help though and maybe that will get me close enough.
Speaking of grinding I had my two hulk miners out earlier this week and noticed that the yield in practical terms for tech II modulated strip miners with crustals (crustals? interesting typo!) compared to tech I strip miners is almost double! So for all those training miners make sure you get mining V and the various <asteroid> processing skills to III so you can use the modulated strip miners.
I'm still very interested in joint mining ops at weekends/evenings becasue those should be busy enough to be good fun. Solo mining with three accounts still leaves me twiddling my thumbs half the time. Have to add a hauler and see how I do.
p.s. I thought I might try my hand at some cheap tech I piracy on one of the other accounts - does anyone have rifter BPO/BPCs so I can build my own disposable ships?
Yea, it's pretty much a requirement that you train up refining and refining efficiency on your miners. The Veldspar crystal only requires Veldspar Processing 3 and it's prereq Refining 4, but the higher level ore processing start to require refining efficiency. Mercoxit require Refining eff 5. It's unfortunate since it's a lot of training for base skills you don't need in a multibox setup where you might only have one character with high level refining.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191752# post191752
One thing to notice when looking at the modulated strip miners is that they have to yeild numbers. one is the general yeild and the other is the part specific to the crystal. If you look just at the general part they seem majorly inferior to the normal strip miners, but even with tech 1 crystals they really outperform. The jump from tech 1 to tech 2 crystals isn't that huge, 1.675 multiplier to 1.75. Granted that excludes the bonus you get from the skill training you'd need to use tech 2 crystals. Right now I get about 964m3 per strip miner on Veldspar with a tech 1 crystal and no mining upgrades fitted. I think I hit 1010m3 with one MU fitted.
I should have a huge chunk of time on Sat and Sunday. Friday night depends on how dead work leaves me. I plan on bringing 3 retrievers, an Iteron 4 (one week and 850mil ISK till freighter), and up to two ravens for rats and can flippers (and 4 mining lasers each).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191752# post191752
Depending on what the belts look like, we may need to go to a different system or just plan on mining ice. I heard something about Ice going away in empire space. The story was that Ice in empire would no longer regen on downtime, so once it's gone it's only in 0.0. anyone know anything about this? If this is the case, mining ice and sitting on the output could be profitable long term as the ice starts disapearing prices should go up in empire space.
I have BPOs for Rifter, Incursus and Catalyst. I'm still working on how to copy and research them since I've yet to find a single copy slot open in three different regions. Currently I'm just planning on grinding up standing and putting up a POS and paying the hourly charter fees. It gets me a bunch of lab slots I can use plus there is a system with no stations I might drop it in to have a dump point for mining there. Any idea on how long it takes to get standing up to 7.5 ish? How many social skills would you train before you started this crazy plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191752# post191752
As for cheap, the ships aren't really the problem. An Incursus will run you 200k, but for decent firepower you're looking at 400k 1.2mil per blaster. Add in a Webifier, Warp Scrambler and afterburner. Low slots get armor and guass balancer. Here is the cookie cutter for Rifter piracy:
From http://eve-stuff.co.uk/resources.php?a=piracy
All said, it's not too expensive, just not as cheap as you'd think. My suggestion is to figure out the fitting you want, buy enough to fit 10 ships or so, get the ships and the fittings to the system you plan to work out of and then start your career. Yuo'll blow up, so best to have replacements handy so you don't have to spend 3 hours picking up all the stuff you need to refit, especially once your status goes red and the fleets begin shooting at you. The guide I linked above has a bunch of fundimental info.Quote:
Highs: 3x 150mm autocannons, Small Nosferatu
Mids: 1mn Afterburner, Warp Scrambler, Stasis Webifier
Lows: 1x 200mm reinforced rolled tungsten plate, 1x Small Armor Repairer, 1x Damage Control Unit
- Souca -
Ok im pretty sleepy since i worked like 16 or 18 hours straight today plus another bunch driving home...but got 3 more copies of Eve so got 4 alts now....went to log the 3rd alt on and my 2nd alt was disconnected..was some tiny screen poped up but vanished before I could read it....does eve have some retarded issue with u trying to run 4 or 5 eve clients off the same computer? cause that's gonna suck if they do. All these accounts are activated with 60day gamecards not trials either.
Not sure what the problem was. I've run around 6 at once. Eve does log stuff in a weird place, but if you find the logs there might be some info in there. On my machine they end up in my user folder under Documents. I'm running Vista, fyi.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Alptraum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192015#pos t192015
Just converted my two miners from trials tonight. They are currently training up to barges 3 so they can hop in their retrievers. I did forget to train mining up to 5, so it will be 3 days or so until they can use the good strip miners, but it's better than nothing ;)
- Souca -
You can only have one trial account per pc - was one or both of them a trial (e.g. buddy program invite)? Easy to miss if you're a bit tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Alptraum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192015#pos t192015
I can run 4 instances on my quadcore - although I'm employing a second PC (Athlon XP...) to run a single instance and only 3 on my main PC
Make sure to turn down the graphics settings for EVE, it's hardly worth having all the fancy lighting effects most of the time
Looks like we can get a mining op going this weekend then. I've got my two hulks plus a myrmidon salvager to provide drone support. I'm going to level up a WoW team in the Hinterlands on Friday night but Sat & Sun is good for me. There is an ice belt marked in Abudban on Ombey's maps but I don't know if it's there. I scanned out some wormholes and a gas cloud site during the week, it's worth doing the scanning every week as you can find mining sites that can be exploited.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191902#post19 1902
For ice mining we'd want to get the barges that are optimised for it - the skill is also needed.
I'll have a look at what materials are required to make Rifters and the other stuff needed, maybe try to get some module BPOs/BPCs.
Researching the BPOs is needed to optimise the material requirement for manufacturing, it's a swine but there you are. I really don't understand why there isn't a 'lab ship' (remember Traveller?) that has a research lab built in. EVE has mining ships, so why not research ones? They'd be very popular as can be proved by the constantly full labs in Empire space.
The ships that are specific for ice are all exhumers. I have the skill to use normal Ice Harvestors and on a retriever I can fit 2 and a upgrade. mackinaw is the first ship to get a bonus for Ice cycle time and it's the middle tier exhumer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192053# post192053
Yea, there is still ice in Abudban. There is also crazy lag from tehre being about 50 miners there are about 400 cans. Nice thing about ice is that it has so many units on it. I was working on small one tonight and it had over 50k units left. It takes 10 minute per ice harvestor to get 1 unit ;)
I was able to find some time efficiency labs, but beyond that I can't find any open materials labs or any copy labs. Sometimes I can get a manufacotring slot, but to be sure I opened a cheap office in a 0.4 system 3 jumps out. Much cheaper there too. I figure I'll slowly get my BPOs there and just research the PE on them while I wait for the rep to put a POS up. I might head back to the closest Gallente region I can since I have 3.94 standing with them and could get it up to 5 pretty easily so I can put a station up sooner. I'd only need my manfacturing and research alts to be close enought okick off job once the get the skills that let them remote.
I also need to do some non Veldspar mining to get some other minerals for ships. I'll likely do that tomorrow with the new alts since they likely won't have their crystals for veld yet.
- Souca -
no all 4 accounts are the eve boxed sets you buy in the store..no trials....creating them with the www.eveonline.com/activate website as a new user and then kicking in the 60day game cards taht come with them..so a bit confused as to why they are pissing around on me. Goal is to run 5 eve's from my quadcore here just like I did in wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192051# post192051
I don't know then...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Alptraum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192129#pos t192129
Try checking the graphics settings - dunno how good your PC is but a quadcore can definitely handle 4xEVE, probably 5 or 6 with settigns fine tuned, after that who knows...
im not sure whats going on with my quadcore its definately not slow 2.66 ghz with 8 gigs of ram..it'll run nearly 10 wow clients..but at work right now im running 4 eve clients no problem on my sony laptop...perhaps the gm's have done something since i put the petition in this morning...either way im semi happy right now....but must get 5+ clients running at home on my desktop if im to truely be a terror in the belts as a miner.
You've gotta find that error it's showing you. That's key.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Alptraum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192195#pos t192195
I know they aren't trials, but the error you get for trials is something like "We are happy you're so excited to play Eve, but please limit yourself to playing one trial account at a time." Or something like that.
I assume you've changed to windowed mode, and you you've turned the advanced graphics settings on. There is a selector that will allow you to choose the video card, so if you are running multiple cards you can change that to keep direct x from switching to software when you cross card boundaries, even though the eve client will always go back to the main monitor on log off and even when you change that setting.
Are you running from the same directory or have you done the wow symlink thing? I'm running all of mine from the same directory, so if you are symlinking, try it without.
Beyond that, I've not got any ideas. It just worked for me. Might want to check the forums on the eve site, I know there are people in the rookie channel always asking about it, but they usually are hitting the trial issue which isn't your problem.
Good luck, and do let us know what you find out.
Edit: Are you hitting a cluster queue? I just logged off and logged back on and got the queue message, so maybe you just were logging on in prime time? Just asking everything I can think of.
- Souca -
If anyone wants a 21 day trial drop me a line in PM and ill hook you up, i have 2 left to give out this month as i used one on myself.
Has anyone found a way to easily /follow and /assist in this game by chance? :)
You can get your drones to assist ;) You can also set ships to keep a certain distance or orbit, but I haven't looked into a keybind for it or anything. Why, are you considering coming over to the dark side? Yes.... come to the dark side....Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192338#post19 2338
- Souca -
There's two types of '/follow':
When all your ships are near to each other get the follower to use the 'keep at distance' or 'orbit' commands on the main - you can get these by right clicking, or selecting a target and them using the target window to select an action.
The other way is to form a fleet and then use the 'warp fleet to' and 'warp to member' commands to move all your ships at once - beware of alignment issues (although thats an advanced topic to do with fleet battles)
Drones are very useful for assisting as Souca mentioned previously they can be set to guard or assist IIRC. There are drone keybinds available.
There's no target of target options AFAIK so if you're forming a multibox fleet it's maybe better to work it out so that they support the main via simple methods (shield and armour boosting). Weapons can now be grouped together so you don't have to press each of the keys for them but selecting targets always requires mouseclicking.
For bigger fleet ops, such as groups of multiboxers (woohoo!) eeveryone should invest in the leadership skill and look at the xxx warfare, wing command, and fleet command skills - those will let us form up a larger well boosted fleet for really big mining ops.
Keybinds for mouse clicks are definitely naughty as far as EVE is concerned so don't go down that route.
For software boxers no additional software is needed - just a beast of a PC
For hardware boxers you'll need a Synergy-like application (I'm using Input Director) or really fast hands...
The good news for hardware boxers is that as there are no keys requried you could use a mouse in each hand and get a pair of those feet mice too!
I use to play Eve for a bit :) I really liked the whole space thing with the missions and whatnot. I'm not sure exactly what I had now but I do remember doing level 4 missions in 0.0 with 3 drakes, the constant manual clicking on each character was quite annoying though :(
Got my retrievers!!!! I bought 3 retrievers and 6x modulated strip miners. Made everything I spent back in 2 hours! One can flipper stole 6000m3 of ore while I was using the bathroom.
http://thefinalwebsite.com/images/everetriever1.png
http://thefinalwebsite.com/images/everetriever2.png
Awsome! i can't wait to be able to do that kind of stuff...
no it was a goof up on ccp's part...whatever my petition did fixed it...thinking someone in the background logged on and corrected some sillyness cause now all 5 accounts are on and rockenQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192226#post19 2226
What were you mining? Veld only or a mix of whatever was available? The system I'm in now is really crowded. Most belts are empty so it's hard to get a consistent yield going. What is your system like?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'd0z3rr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192518#post1 92518
Also, are you using a combat ship to handle rats, or just swapping out drones when you get rats?
Glad to hear. Also good to know in case anyone else runs up against the same issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Alptraum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192574#pos t192574
- Souca -
Sorry about that Souca it was my choice of system and it's not good - I'm happy to relocate seeing as I made a hash of the choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192637#post19 2637
Where are oher people based? It would be good if we could get all of us within a few jumps of each other for massive mining ops. Souca and I are lurking in Abudban, Heimatar region as it's near to where I had a ton of characters stashed.
Also: Ding! My main can now fly an Orca (although I can't afford to buy one yet, cash supply is low at the moment...)
No worries. We'd both just gotten back into it so there wasn't any real way to know if it would be decent or not. I've moved over to Inder with my mining ships. 0.5 system so the rats are more frequent, but as long as you have a remote armor repair and good drones or a combat ship they aren't an issue. I worked on a belt that looked pretty fresh. After 3 hours I think I only mined out about 20% of it and got something like 1.6M trit, 0.54M pyr and 0.31M mex. Never saw another ship at the belt the entire time. In fact, even with my 5 ships there local never went above 15 players. There is only one station and you need to make 2 jumps to Hek to sell anything, but it's definately better mining.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'RobinGBrown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192748# post192748
If we can all find a decent system or two to work in that would be cool. If possible I'd like it to be in Gallente space, or at least a short trip from their turf, so I can put up a POS to do BPO research. My main has 3.94 standing with Gallente so it will be much faster for him to get to 6+ standing as every other faction standing is below 1.
3 days to a freighter on my hauler skill wise. Going to have to pick up some PLEX to pay for the ship though, not sure I want to mine 900M worth with only a Iteron to haul it. I'm thinking I can either log the freighter out near the belt and log back on when cans are full or just dock and warp out. While it would be easiest to just let it float there, I'm not sure its safe to do so even in 0.5 space. Anyone have any thoughts on this? How easy is it for someone to kill a freighter in 0.5 space? Is it even worth it to them? If it were full, there is no way they could haul everything off without a freighter of their own. I never plan to take it below a 0.5 system without major protection so I'm trying to get a baseline of how careful I need to be with it in 0.5 or higher. Losing battleships are one thing, but at nearly a billion I don't want to lose a freighter unless there is no way I could have planned for it.
- Souca -
My system has been pretty darn good. Even if all the veldspar is cleared out there's tons of other minerals to mine. Veldspar does have a good isk/hour ratio, but I wouldn't say it's mindblowing. I don't even refine my crap, I just right click>sell. I could take my ore and sell them at a different station for perhaps a increase of 5 isk per ore, but most of the best deals are like 6 jumps away. I'm not gonna sit in my hauler and wait for it to jump 6 times just to get a measely 100k profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Souca',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192637#post19 2637
Last night some noob was hovering right near me while I was mining, he stole like 493m3 of ore. I had to constantly empty my can right away so he wouldn't steal. After a few minutes of that I just warped everyone to another belt. So that slowed me down a bit. I encounter a can flipper pretty much every time I go mining.
As for rats I have a lazerr mounted on my hauler. He can easily take out any rats that will bother us with the single laser, it takes a while but it gets the job done. I used to have rocket launchers on my ospreys that sped up the kill, but since I upgraded to retrievers the high slots are occupied by strip miners. I am considering creating a new account just to deal with rats and can flippers. But since I'm a pvp noob I need to research how to kill people and pvp first.
User: Physics101
Characters: Talis'har, prober/scanner alt, another dps alt when needed
Experience:42m sp
Location: Egghelende
Interest: Yarrrr! Pirating
Playtime: Every once in awhile.
To all you guys mining, I suggest not using belts, but get level 1 missions. Tons of them have ore you can mine in them. When you get tired of pounding rocks come out and pvp =)
I've thought about hitting up the mission spots. I've noticed they seem to be pretty well stocked in terms of their roids. To be honest, my biggest thing against missions is that they are really boring and I spend more time looting and salvaging than I do killing things. Most rats die before I can even get a target lock on them as the drones swarm. Most of my fittings include more salvagers and tractor beams than weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Physics101',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192945#p ost192945
I have a pvp character. She is training a lot. I do play around with her in a frigate, but it's hard to get a decent fitting until you have some of the basic skills up to 5. The miners pay for her ships and all my skill training. PvP is an expense for me at the moment, but it's definately in my plans.
- Souca -