That makes no sense... ?(Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ticks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166676#post16 6676
"Stick to Macs?"
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That makes no sense... ?(Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ticks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166676#post16 6676
"Stick to Macs?"
ok so I got win 7 installed and booted into win7 but now I cant see my folders where i installed wow on.
can anybody tell me how to get to that and launch wow on windows 7 when its installed on vista?
or do i have to reinstall those too....
anyhelp when unders windows 7 I cant see the HD with my wow installs
You should just be able to browse to it, go into "My Computer" and if you installed on seperate drive or partition your old one should still be visible.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'ahnubis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166791#post 166791
so is there by chance another way to aquire the iso/key? the page is stuck on the "test drive the windows 7 beta" page with some form of load screen...its sat there for awhile now and
isnt goin anywhere...
EDIT: nvm...did a little leg work and found a link to bypass that initial screen they give you. now to get a spare hdd hooked up to install...
I think that there were multiple issues with Vista. I do agree that with the right muscle and the right tweaks, it works just fine. And it had a lot of nice touches. However:
I don't blame the end user for that. I blame Microsoft and OEMs who decided that Windows Vista would be installed on that $399 PC. Even when you turned every available option off, it runs horribly slow on less than 2GB of memory, and simple things like opening up the Control Panel are as likely to freeze the computer as they are to actually work. That's not acceptable, not to the end user who bought a $399 OEM PC, or the IT manager who buys a $1100 Dell notebook with discreet graphics.Quote:
These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success.
The other thing is that the previous updates had been anticipated and/or necessary. Windows 95 was a huge improvement over Windows 3.xx. Windows 98/98SE was a very good upgrade to Win95 and fixed or added a lot of stuff that made it much better to use. Windows 2000 gave us the best of both worlds- it gave Win9x users memory protection and better overall stability, and it gave WinNT users a much better UI and solid gaming support, turning it into a consumer OS. Windows XP added some nice improvements and updates to Windows 2000, though I think those could've been rolled into Win2000. Still, once you got used to it, it was a very solid OS. And getting used to it was easy-- you could make WinXP look and work exactly like Win2000.
Windows XP was, in my mind, the OS that Microsoft had been trying to make for a number of years. Windows Vista seems like the result of MS wanting to create a new Windows OS but not knowing what to add, because WinXP was so good. Instead of tweaking WinXP or making Vista an incremental upgrade (mostly graphical and security additions, etc) they created a bloated OS that had lots of nice features but required a ton of processing muscle to run well. I think that Windows 7 will be what Vista should have been, and will get MS on the right track.
is there a way to swap between windows7 and vista with out restarting?
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Originally Posted by 'Tonuss',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166841#post1 66841
Extremely true statements which should be praised and placed into a magazine some where! And Microshaft is still way better than MacIntrash.
If you didn't mean it as a personal attack, then you really need to think/revise next time you make a reply. Because that's how I took it. Re-read your first sentence. It's a total "you're fucking wrong dude". Don't tell me I'm wrong. I'm in the field as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166818#po st166818
I've devoted time into helping others since I've been a user here. Sorry I don't have triple-digit post counts or have been a member since Henry Ford made the Model T, but I offer quality information when someone needs help.
Windows 7 64-bit is amazing. I just finished installing it (coming from vista x64), booted up my characters x 5 into Dalaran (not even on my i7 computer, but on my older box).. 0 lag, 35-40 fps, 2 monitors, and I'm not even using a maximizer (just have all 4 instances of WoW sitting next to each other on the 2nd monitor).
Websites are faster too.. sites that took 3-4 seconds to load are now loading instantly ( < 1 s)
As a result, response times from my characters seem to be faster as well... I've noticed a dps increase (over 100 dps average, per character... but it's still early to tell)
All I can say is damn....
// Rin.
Let me rephrase what I meant, instead of what I said:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ellusionist',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166739# post166739
"Most people just buy a computer so they can check their e-mail or browse the web. These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success because it is brand spankin' new."
Sorry about that!! :D
Regardless of specs, if someone bought a computer brand new and *knew* there were higher-end models (more expensive), they'll still think what they bought should run everything on the market, simply because it's new. This isn't anyone's fault but the buyer.
This is also taking into consideration that the end user knows nearly nothing about computers. Which is a HUGE chunk of PC buyers. And I mean HUGE!!!
You're making me want to just reformat my multiboxing machine just to slap a copy of Windows 7 on it. :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166856#post1668 56
You want VMWare.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'ahnubis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166844#post 166844
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[quote='ahnubis',index.php?page=Thread&postID=16684 4#post166844]is there a way to swap between windows7 and vista with out restarting?[/quote]
You want VMWare.[/quote]Also... I'm not sure if it'll work with Windows 7 or not but I can't see why it wouldn't...
But there's [url='http://www.virtualbox.org/']VirtualBox[/url], too! (Free)
I understand what Ellusionist is trying to say, but not all end users are that ignorant. there are some folks that think, "oooh wow, vista, that's the latest and greatest it must make windows faster and easier to use!" and there are those that read specs and can tell the difference, though they're not that techie either.
About as much of a loss as it would be for an operating system to include more than just the basics so it would be able to "offer something in terms of performance enhancements to the typical office worker". :D (Examples: Office, Photoshop, etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166874#po st166874
...see below...
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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166818#po st166818
I dunno if this was intentional but I think it's pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166818#po st166818
Vista should give you a +100 speed enchantment, however all it does is give you -100 ram.
However Windows 7 is like getting a +10FPS enchant!
i got this up and running. the lappy is about half the system my pc is and its running rates equalt to what i get on the pc. and even lower fps, its still smooth. i cant wait to see how this works out on my desktop when i install it on there...
A bunch of handy Windows 7 tips here: http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2...7-secrets.aspx
Ok, so here is the deal with windows 7 issues im having
i set up a partition under vista for 25 gigs of space and set the drive letter in vista as L:
i made the cd and shut it down installed windows 7 on the new partition and i can now load it up and look at windows 7 but when I got to my computer I only see my Dualboot drive C: and my recovery D: i do not see my main 300 gig HD that has all the vista stuff on it.
do I need to change the drive letter in vista to something other than c to have it show up in windows 7?
Figured it out i had to manually map the OS from vista while in windows 7 to the drive letter F for me to even see that part of the HD
so if anybody else has this issue just go into the admin tools>computer management>disk management and click on the big OS drive that has no current drive letter set and give it a new drive letter
theres a faster way to get the disk manager. simply right-click my computer, select manage, then disk management after the window loads. youll also have access to do somet tweakin with services and such if you know what youre doin.
Many of them are, but that's how it is with consumers (and I include myself in there); they expect the manufacturer or retailer to help them. This is reasonable to an extent, though these days there's so much information out there that you should be able to get somewhat of a clue before you buy. But reality is what it is, and people will trust that if an OEM installed Windows Vista, it'll work the way Microsoft said it would in those TV ads. Well, when it doesn't, who is going to get the blame? Microsoft, mostly. And they deserve some of it, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'elsegundo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166879#po st166879
The Windows XP rollout was similar to Vista, IMO, with a lot of complaining and resisting. I believe that MS also extended Windows 2000 installation options for a while. To me, the biggest indicator of how bad Vista's rollout went is the fact that MS rushed Windows 7 development and seems to have it on track for a 2009 rollout, and they seem to have listened to the complaints. That's pretty huge, because there has to be a significant cost attached to what they're doing now, and they're willing to pay it in order to make Vista go away. Score one for the angry consumer, I guess. It does seem as if Windows 7 will be an excellent upgrade.
My intention is to buy and install it later this year, after it has shipped. I will then build my next monster computer station and run Win7-64 bit. Since I've reduced my debt over the past year quite a bit, I'll be able to afford to splurge. Core i7, gobs of Gigs, tons of Teras, so on and so forth...
oO New toy new Free toy 8o
Eve
Your statement is flawed. All of the people I know that are non-IT-Geek love Vista and have not had any issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166818#po st166818
Are you able to go from 32bit vista to 64 bit w7? If so am i able to do the upgrade install and keep my old files or do i need to do a clean install. Any help would be great!
What's an MSCE?? MCSE? Which doesn't even have much value anymore. 2008 is the new "steaming pile of shit" - MCITP.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166818#po st166818
So, typical office workers do not value drive encryption? Better handling of memory? Rewritten tcp stack? SMB 2.0? Two-way firewall?
All of those equate to better performance, better security in "end user" terms.
Oh well, have fun in the past! :thumbsup:
Clean install. 32bit is completely different architecture than 64bit. It would need a complete OS reinstall. Depending on how your hard drive is partitioned, you may or may not be able to keep your old files.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Taurgos22',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167068#po st167068
ahh alrighty. thanks alot
Your statement is flawed. What he said was, "Your statement is flawed" not "you're fucking wrong dude".Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ellusionist',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166854# post166854
LOL make a post about A OS and how it improve ur boxing and peeps start bashing each other about other opinions non related to boxing :thumbup:
And and to those that wonder if W7 64bit is better than xp 64bit. ITS WAY better and its a beta. But remember guys if u dont got the skills dont install a beta, cuz it could go wrong pretty fast, like if u dont know how to install it... Dont do it.
actually...it retains everything that was originally on the HDD if you install 7 over it. it takes everything and sticks it in a folder named Windows.old. my install did at least, and i went from 32bit to 64bit.
Don't be too excited about the new OS. There is NO visible performance improvement for multiboxers over Vista. New UI changes are nice, UAC is much less annoying and is actually usable now, but system performance under heavy load stays the same. I'm having exactly same framerates and memory consumption as I had in Vista. And it is not a "OMG I INSTALLED IT 5 MIN AGO AND IT IS TOTALLY AMAZING" post. I've been heavily using for last 3 days for multiboxing and I do not see any noticeable improvements.
If you're interested I'm 5 boxing on q9550@3.8GHz\8Gb\AMD4870 1Gb\30'' display. It still lags in crowded areas.
Must be your computer then. I'm not alone in people who have experienced significant frame rate increases as well as the ability to run around in crowded areas without issue. Not only that, but I'm able to use 2 monitors (2x 24" monitors, no maximizer... so each wow ran in an independent window) now while maintaining my frame rates. This simply was not possible under vista x 64 on my machine. After spending about 4-5 hours in WoW running my standard quests and battles, I noticed a significant dps increase on my hunters (100 dps per character increase). Nothing has changed about my setup at all except for the OS. I was also able to run around in Dalaran (on Burning Legion, which is a high/full pop. server), without any issues. Slight video lag when I ran into a busy area (60+ people moving around at once).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'weeep',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167189#post16 7189
Also, while flying I am able to maintain full fps; there's simply no video lag while travelling across different zones in Northrend. I flew from Borean Tundra->Dragonblight->Howling Fjord last night, with 0 lag, both video and server side. And before you ask, no, my settings are not on low; actually I've turned them up just to see what I could do in order to get my machine to "stop", if you will. To add to my experiences, I was also able to keep Wowhead up and running, and I was able to lookup quests within seconds (e.g. Wowhead.com took less than 1 second to load, quest data also took less than 1 second to laod). For a maximum load test as well, I ran youtube in the background while having 5x internet explorer windows up, 5x wow's up, flash streaming media, and I was able to do all of this without any problems.
Edit too: All sites seemed faster overall, and this is coming from a guy who builds sites for a living :), so I'm well versed on the "load times" of everything. I should also note that I didn't even do a clean install (did not reformat my PC, I just simply upgraded because I was in disbelief after reading the Original Poster's information. For an OS to be the bottleneck seemed pretty dumb, but I guess Vista is just that - the bottleneck for much of my performance.)
Also, load times (going from the old world to the new world have improved greatly); going from Origimmar to Howling Fjord ran me about 10-11 seconds prior to Windows 7. With windows 7 all of my guys load up at the exact same time, all within 3-4 seconds maximum.
Are your anti virus programs on with Win7? Maybe everything is better cause Norton isn't on ......
iI have tried Windows 7 for a couple of days now, and it works great. The The downside atm is that I cant install kavoom km in W7. It sais that it doesnt support this OS.
In the meanwhile, what other programs can i use to broeadcast 1 mouse and 1 keyboard to 2 computers.
And, can i install W7 beta on two computers and use the same beta key i got when i registered for beta?
just go back and get another key...
I think the beta keys given out by Microsoft for Windows 7 come from a very small pool, only 20 or so.
If this is true, then you can be assured that tens of thousands of other users of the beta have the same key as you. I doubt theres a problem using the same key on two machines.
Nope you're not alone. I've seen noticeable performance inprovements in both single- and multi-boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167214#post1672 14
Single-boxing I can now have shadows on full in Dalaran and it remains playable. Not so with Vista.
Multi-boxing, with five chars in Dalaran, they'd get around 10fps each under Vista. Now my main is up around 25fps and the four clones are at the 15fps cap.
I'm sure it does still lag in crowded areas. It just lags less than Vista.
Must be your old OS then. Probably people who are experiencing performance boost were using Vista in its default state without turning off features that noticeably slow down its performance like Superfetch. Or its just the effect of clean install when your old OS is all garbaged and the new one does not have all that bloated software.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167214#post1672 14
This OS is built on the same kernel as Vista, there is absolutely no reason to expect some dramatical performance boost. There are some default optimizations to system services, but you could just do them on your old OS on your own.
BTW those who are experiencing like 5-10 fps in Dalaran, did you try minimizing and restoring all your WoW windows? I found that doing this once or maybe twice magically boosts your performance to normal 30-40 fps/
If u read my first post then u would have seen that at least I am getting a huge boost, And many many others gets it to. U gotta remember playing on a 30inc with a res over 3000x2000(if u got a good 30inc that is) could be ur issue. And my vista sp1 64bit was tweaked as much as it can. If u knew what u where talking about u would have known that the kernel in W7 has been reamped and made way smaller for faster usage. Its BASED of the same as vista, thats why u can use XP and vista drivers on W7. But hey if it dont work for u go back.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'weeep',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167189#post16 7189
Well, if you knew what you're talking about, you'd knew that smaller kernel is NOT faster ;) There are two options in compilers - generate small code OR generate fast code.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Oternakn',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167465#pos t167465
Anyway I'm not meaning to offend anyone. If it works for you, then fine, it's just a warning to those who doubt if this OS is worth wasting their time - it is not a 100% guaranteed boost. And since it is in beta stage, be ready for incompatibilities and blue screens. Personally I'm not using W7 because Avivo movie acceleration is not working properly here.