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This is what I meant with my graphics comment, I really should rephrase it. I got stuck on rocks, pebbles and blades of grass all the time in beta. However I will say that I'm not a big fan of current character models and that they can stand some improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Tehtsuo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=128175#post 128175
Well, I was a little disappointed at first. I saw art of The Chosen and then I created one in game and he was this tiny guy with a crappy breastplate. But now...at level 13/14 it looks like a tank. Still doesn't have a helmet but good looking breastplate, boots, shoulders and gloves makes a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'FtGeno',index.php?page=Thread&postID=128179#post1 28179
I tried it this weekend.
The character models, the land scape and fighting animations really didn’t appeal to me. I gave AOC 2 weeks before I gave up on it, this I lasted a day, which to be fair is not enough experience to say it sucks. But it was enough for me realize this may not be the one for me. I would like to revisit it in a year after some polish and see where it goes.
I've finally come to a conclusive decision on what about the game bugs me. The problem is, it looks like the casting animation has a set speed, and there's no animation for spell knockback. Hence, when I cast "Brain Blaster" on my shaman, the spell animation completes, and the little green spitball flies at the enemy, but you still have to wait for your casting bar to complete or the damage isn't done. That's a major flaw imo, even though it's mostly cosmetic.
DAoC had the same problem. It was like the animation was one script. WoW has two scripts for their casting animations: phase 1 which is the looping short continuous animation, and then phase 2 which is the short one-shot animation that fires as soon as the spell fires. Which sychronizes well and improves the suspension of disbelief.Quote:
I've finally come to a conclusive decision on what about the game bugs me. The problem is, it looks like the casting animation has a set speed, and there's no animation for spell knockback. Hence, when I cast "Brain Blaster" on my shaman, the spell animation completes, and the little green spitball flies at the enemy, but you still have to wait for your casting bar to complete or the damage isn't done. That's a major flaw imo, even though it's mostly cosmetic.
Interesting that they still have those sorts of problems, though, as I thought WAR was an entirely new game engine and everything.
WOW, and no not the game.... this thread... I about choked on the first page. Lots of biased opinions and mean sounding retorts. Very fitting considering the title of the thread. That said my opinions are:
I've been playing wow since close to release, and I was in the WotLK beta. I didn't get to struggle through the original release of WoW so I won't compare the games there. I played WAR however through a good portion of the beta and into release.
Graphics, gameplay: I think the graphics are far superiour in detail even though they are not the same style. The fact that there are large enemies right off the bat was a nice touch to keep the attention of seasoned MMO veterans that didn't want to kill 100 boars per quest for the first 10 levels. The game idea of WAR is well done and competes with WoW on several levels.
PvE: There is junk for a point to endgame PvE in WAR. You might as well do PvP scenario's from rank 1 on. As you progress through there is plenty of questing to break up the leveling process. The dungeons have some cool ideas but the gear is no better than what you get from simply standing in equivalent rank PvP for a bit. The best of the best gear will be gotten from PvP.
PvP: Supremely disappointing in the low levels depending on your class. The point of the entire game. Honestly I don't think they did a better job on balancing then WoW. Healing is win. My zealot can solo heal a tank through the entire other teams assault. I realise your supposed to just blow the healer up but on more than one occasions a few melee and tanks were able to wall off a hallway or staircase and nobody could get to me anyway. Even then, my zealot can live through a hell of an assault and with self rezzing for my entire party it will make for wicked fights. The PvP is very good and different. I like WoW's PvP better because of the horrid smoothness of actions in WAR.
Playability: The complete lack of smoothness in WAR is AWFUL! I cannot get an instant cast spell off sometimes because of the sluggish response of the characters in WAR. Several of my friends quit WoW to play WAR and this is their only complaint as well. It seems like playing with lag and I can promise you thats not the case as WAR's servers seem very strong to me. I get great latency and yet it's STILL sluggish and packed with smoothness=fail. Walking seems bad. I have troubles casting instant spells behind me with the jump turn method I got so used to in WoW. Not a huge deal you learn the timing and keep in your head that War != Wow. The lack of smoothness has driven me away from WAR and the only thing that could bring me back is better PvP balance. (you heard me I think the PvP balance in WAR BLOWS especially in low levels.) Which I believe WAR will be the best PvP balanced game we've ever seen after a few months or years of progression and polishing. I'd like them to add an arena system cause thats my favorite thing in WoW but meh it's not really in the style of WAR.
I am keeping my WAR subscription but have all but quit it to go back to WoW. I still am leveling my zealot on off hours and intend to stick it out til the polished years or death of WAR. I will be playing WotLK on release though as I believe it to be a far superiour game for replayability and WAR will get boring and old very quick with the same town/keep/castle seiges and the complete lack of a point to doing anything else in the game but PvP.
Edited for spelling etc.
Some things that made me go WOW in Warhammer:
Public Quests
I think the Public Quest concept is a great innovation and a step in the right direction. For those who don't know:
Public quests are open world quests that anyone can participate in. Participation nets you contribution points which are used to decide looting rights and loot quality if the quest is completed successfully. PQs I have encountered so far basically consists of three stages. Stage 1 is an untimed stage and has a fairly straight forward objective that can usually be worked on solo as it does not include any champions or heroes (similiar to wow elites and bosses).
Once the first stage is completed the second stage starts with a timed objective. The second stage sometimes includes champions so these objectives can usually not be achieved solo unless you outrank the PQs quite a bit. Even if champions are not present during this stage the objectives are usually not achievable solo within the time limit.
Once the second stage is completed the third stage starts. The third stage is usually a hero and it can be quite a difficult fight for a group of characters the same level as the hero depending on class balance.
Once the quest is completed successfully every participant recieves a contribution bonus. The top contributor will get a 500 bonus, 2nd 350, 4th 300, etc. Next a loot roll from 1-1000 is made and your contribution bonus is added to the roll. A chest spawns and all the loot winners are able to loot different quality loot bags. The loot in the bag is specific to your own class.
And then the event resets within minutes.
In addition you also earn influence for participation in PQs. Warhammer PvE progression is broken up into chapters. Influence is gained per chapter and participation in a PQ in a specific chapter will increase your influence in that chapter. Influence is broken up into 3 milestones. Gaining enough influence will unlock a reward after each milestone with rewards being progressively more valuable. Gear rewards are all specific to your class.
Open Party
There is a little button underneath the character portrait that brings up the open party interface. You can check a box to indicate that you are interested in forming an open party. You will also see a list of existing open parties. You can select one of the open parties and click a join button and you are immediately added to the group. But here is the great part: it also gives you an indication of how far away the party is in time, 10s, 1min, 7min, etc. And another great thing is that it shows you what type of area the party currently finds itself in, for instance general PvE, Public Quest or RvR (world pvp areas).
The whole Public Quest and Open Party system really synergizes very well.
personally, i find those two aspects annoying as hell.
1: why should some douchebag be able to come along half way through my completing a quest, whack a few mobs and then be able to roll on loot that ive suffered through 30 minutes of PvE drudgery to acquire?
2: if i want to invite someone to my party (rare, considering most MMO players are 12 year old morons) ill invite them. i box my own group largely because i dont want to have to put up with the flood of WoW kids in group chat. the first thing i do whenever i login and group my characters is untick open party.
WAR is better than WoW for one reason. PvP. WoW is and always will be a PvE game. the only PvP content they add will be spoon-fed arena bollocks, still loot-focused and still bland and "organised". even though (unfortunately) WAR has scenarios, im hopeful that sieging and world PvP will offer something with more meat for players that dont pay $15 a month to kill that 908013201th big purple dragon so they can have some slightly glowier pixels to dance in.
its not shadowbane and its not UO.. but im starting to regretfully accept that nothing ever will be again :(
I love well-designed PVE, and it's not because I got glowy pixels :thumbdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129121#post 129121
EDIT: I should elaborate on this post. If I hadn't said it before in this thread, I'll say it again. It bothers me that WAR right now is basically not even trying to court me over. Everyone right down the designers is talking about the amazingness of RVR or whatever, this PVP stuff, but after watching a long interview with one of the lead designers I got absolutely no excitement about what the PVE is going to offer in this game. WoW may have huge problems in its PVP, mainly for me it's the lack of new battleground maps, but at least it's trying to have both and isn't leaving you out. Bliz wants to have the best PVP and PVE and try to make it all good, and always have wanted to. The Competition from WAR will make them more likely to add more things to please people. However, WAR hasn't said a damn thing about what's to come in the PVE endgame, like "Oh wait until you see the great new raiding we got planned!", none of that. So they're basically not even paying attention to a huge part of the WoW playerbase right now, which is a huge mistake. You don't fully compete with one product by only offering a possible improvement to one area of the game. Maybe this game will be fully competitive in a couple of years.
I play the tabletop miniatures game so I pre-ordered a WAR collector's edition (woot! orc warboss!). I didn't really get into it though. It just seemed to be a darker, more detailed WoW. Like, I was constantly thinking 'Oh, that's the quest guy, where's my backpack? ah there it is, do this quest', everything was in the context of me playing WoW.
I blame the fact that I'm old with a kiddo; I just can't spend 6 hours getting immersed in a video game to see if I like it. If I can't get hooked right off the bat I just can't bother.
WoW is NOT WAR.
WAR is not WoW.
They are 2 different games with some MMO similarities.
WAR is enjoyable since I like to PvP. I do PvE as a means to its end.
You level. You get gear. You PvP.
Anyone can do that in WoW, but is it really fun to PvP at level 1? Not in WoW.
Even at level 61 WoW, is it fun to play in AV with a bunch of 70s?
And in WoW, at level 61 in AV -- what is your reward for playing in a 15 minute AV? An AV token, or maybe 3--and some honor of about 1k? which is 1/18 of an S4 gear.
In WAR terms, a level 1 can join a Tier 1 (level 1 to 10) scenario (or Battleground in WoW terms), and be able to queue to join that scenario as soon as that player logs in.
And within 15 minutes max of finishing that scenario, that player is probably level 2, and have enough silver to buy some Rank Renown gear that is decent.
Surely, it can get boring doing the same scenario over and over again. There are 3 different type of scenario in Tier 1.
Nordland is a 3 Flag Arathi Basin type. First 500 points win. Whichever has the most points in 15 minutes wins.
Erkund is another3 Flag Arathi Basin type, but different map/layout, a 2 level Fortress with a collapsed middle.
Khaine is a 2 Flag type map. Of one side caps both flags and hold them for 10 seconds, they get point. The flag area then has a countdown to an explosion that kills everyone near the flag. Fun stuff.
If a player wants some PvE mixed in their levelling, there are "Chapters" for each Race/Area. The Chapters for example are 1 to 19, and the gear rewards Chapter x 2 in level. So, Chapter 1 gives Rank 2 gear, Chapter 2 gives 4, etc.
The zone map and quests leads to a linear progression. Each Chapter have 2 or more Public Quests. Each chapter also have "Influence" reward similar to WoW faction where you get "useful" gear for your level of faction.
The Open Party is an option. I 2-box and I can create an Open Party is I want people to be able to join my group. I can also choose to not make my party Open, and it requires me inviting people in.
There are some "useful" Party / Social implementation. Suppose I have 2 "closed: party, but then decided I need to "merge" my party with an existing party. I can simply invite one of the members of another party, and the leader of that party can choose to join mine and automatically merge.
A party has 6 maximum players. I can also change my party into a Warbard (or Raid in WoW terms), and I can easily merge parties into my warband by inviting any other gorup or warband.
As for "loot rolls" in PQ--it's a good implementation. And sure it is not perfect. The PQ allows casual players to participate in quests they can't solo. But saying someone can just walk up and do 1 damage can earn that player a roll on loot is false. The amount of contribution a player puts toward a PQ is part of the determination if they are allowed to roll.
The low level PQs probably makes contributing to PQs easy by killing 1 of 20 needed mobs. The later levels, some PQ needs 100 mobs kills during stage 1. And killing "packs" of 3 mobs pulls at 2nd stage. A solo guy walking up to damage 1 mob wont have enough contribution.
The random mechanics seems unfair, but most of the time when I do PQ, it is for the Influence reward and not the loot bag. I usually "grind" the PQ 3 or 4 times to get my Influence--and I usually win at least a loot bag from those times.
Anyway, WAR seems to be here and now with some healthy population of players. If some player says it sucks, obviously it is their opinion and a game not for them.
All I have to say that WAR is enough to entertain me now since WoW is stale and I am waiting for what WotLK has to offer.
Now, WotLK is not here. And WAR is, and I'm enjoying my time 2-boxing it. I still have some gripe over the game. WAR is not as polished as WoW. But that polishness does not detract too much from the fun I enjoy in PvP.
i disagree entirely with your post. i, for one, am quite thankful that mythic is making no effort to 'win over' PvE players from WoW (or WoW players in general). i dont say that to be offensive, but ive seen the result of a PvP game that gets flooded with PvE players. 1: whining about PvP, especially on FFA servers.. and 2: trying to subvert the focus of the dev team by spamming the forums with loot-centric PvE rubbish. WAR is not trying to compete with WoW. WAR is trying to offer its subscribers a game focused on what mythic does best: realm Vs. realm combat. mythic and their devs have already stated that its inevitable when you have a freak occurance such as WoW in the market that there will be comparisons. there is no way mythic or even EA has the funds to compete with WoW's production team. what they can do, however, is focus on what they do best and provide a superior product for their niche market.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'TheBigBB',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129282#pos t129282
for once i hope a company sticks to its guns and doesnt cave in to the flood of ex-wow kids that, at heart, only want to reproduce the same handicapped PvP environment theyre comfortable with (see: AoC). its frustrating that literally the day after any promising PvP game gets released the WoWers are spamming the forums with "omg i got killed nerf PvP", "omg theres not enough shiny epics", "omg why bother playing at all if i dont get a cookie". if you want to play WoW then play WoW X(
forgive me if i get a bit worked up over this subject. ive seen so many PvP games die from exactly this. they hype up the PvP experience, a bunch of carebears join and start forum-warring and the next thing you know there are PvP jails and ressurection immunity and safe zones and whatever the hell other ways a company can cave in and backflip on its pre-launch promises to the people that actually stuck around since before it even hit beta. two months later.. guess what? all the WoW players are back at WoW yet again and the company is stuck with a product nobody wants and an ex-fanbase that wants nothing to do with them.
I can see things from your perspective, but for some reason all my mind's ear hears when reading your post is an angry Halo 3 player complaining that there's no "teabag" key. Please remember that the majority of PVE-centric individuals aren't the kind that say "omg i got killed nerf PvP", "omg theres not enough shiny epics", "omg why bother playing at all if i dont get a cookie" There are some rotten apples, but please be civil...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129476#post 129476
I for one am mostly a PVE-oriented player, but I am interested to see if Warhammer will be able to make the game succeed in a manner fitting a true PVP-oriented MMO. I'm unsure of how they can pull it off, seeing as one of the basic themes of MMOs, gear progression, usually doesn't play nicely with PVP. Right now, I can't get a clear idea on that, because until there's a larger population with a broader spread of progression I can't really say for sure.
i thought that was quite civil. and i disagree. those are exactly the kinds of posts the vast majority of PvE players and MMO players in general make, if you cut out the fat. PvE is predictable and provides tangible rewards. PvP is not and does not. when 1 plus 2 doesnt equal 3 they get upset and go on a forum crusade to change the game to suit themselves. the comment i replied to is a perfect (if mild) example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Tehtsuo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129486#post 129486
That sounds like a baseless generalization to me, please provide supporting evidence. I'm not talking about quoting a post or two, because you're not saying "Some PVE'ers launch forum crusades to change the game to suit themselves," you're saying "vast majority of PvE players and MMO players" do. Please try not to generalize, that's all I'm saying. And what fat are you talking about cutting out, all the people who don't fit your generalization?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129490#post 129490
I myself have already said some words to combat the kind of forum crusade you referred to. A member of my warhammer guild was complaining about Bright Wizard damage, and urged the guild to file suggestions to Mythic to nerf them. I replied that Bright Wizards are dps classes, and they don't usually kill me as a healer, so I didn't see the urgency. His response was they kill him (A sorcerer) a lot, so I got a good chuckle about it. If someone kills you in pvp, learn from it and adjust your strategy, don't run off on a crusade to get other classes nerfed.
it may be baseless or it may not. slightly more challenging than your suggestion, find a PvE/WoW player that has commented in a positive way anywhere in any game forum on real PvP. if it exists, i think youll be searching a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Tehtsuo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129503#post 129503
opinions are based on experience. im not talking about balance or class issues. im talking about buying one game and then wanting it to be something else. WAR is not WoW. buying or wanting to buy WAR and then complaining for lack of PvE content or excessive focus on RvR is just plain stupid. if i want a pair of shoes i go to a shoe store and buy a pair of shoes. i dont go to an internet cafe and complain at the clerk because he cant give me what i want.
I concede your point with the understanding that you are not offering more than an opinion, which I would in no way wish to prevent you from offering.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129517#post 129517
I have to agree with this, your logic here is sound. WAR is definately not WoW, and I agree that it's not logical to expect it to be. I'm looking for different, not more of the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129517#post 129517
PVP is not predictable? When you PVP you face a group of people who have a set of skills they can use, and they may do nothing else but use those skills in some combination. Successful PVP teams don't just make things up as they go along. They identify another team's strategy and counter it using predictable game mechanics. The fun derived from either PVE or PVP or ANY game is when you are against something which is difficult to counter and have to play well to get past it, regardless of knowing the script.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=129490#post 129490
This is like when I sit down to play Rock Band. No amount of knowing the notes will guarantee that I'll actually be able to hit them. Being predictable hardly detracts from the experience of playing a drum, or something. It's the challenge of playing it right that keeps people entertained.
I am not on a crusade to make WAR into a PVE game, but I think it's a poor decision for them to give up on making a meaningful endgame PVE experience if they want to compete. I believe all MMORPGs should have a well developed PVE and PVP experience, and WoW has been successful because it tries to do that. Blizzard wants to make their PVP and PVE the best it can be, but Mythic doesn't seem to. Imagine the situation if someone actually made a MMORPG that was good on the PVE and PVP front? It would be a great day to see that. Competition fuels progress. In that regard, I hope to see Blizzard improve their PVP now that they have someone competing for their PVP players.
My views:
I've tried several of the classes in WAR now.. to level 6-8.. and not a single one felt fun to play. I just feel weak and useless with all the classes. Healers heal too little, dps:ers are hard to make work, tanks die quite easily and have no real dps whatsoever. Everything about WAR just feels lackluster and uninspiring to me. I never get "F*** yeah I'm the win" feeling that is common in WoW, even when single boxing.
As it looks now, I will stop playing WAR entirely. The game just doesn't appeal to me. It feels sluggish and boring.
Tanks get much tougher after the first few levels and can do same insane damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'magwo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=130143#post13 0143
Which means you were maximum level 8 in a scenario. Each level makes a huge difference. We had a lvl 11 that dinged lvl 12 inside a scenario and absolutely tore everyone up. Doing the T1 scenarios at lvl 11 means you get to pwn all the low levels. Which healer did you play? Healing is tricky at those low levels. I played a DoK and an Archmage, getting used to healing with them is tricky, it is not as simple as in WoW. With the DoK you need to be out there swinging your sword to keep building the points you need to cast your heals. It is also important to pick who you are healing. Any tank can probably take a lot of punishment if they have a shield on. Casters are usually going to go down quick unless you pick the high level ones. With the Archmage I just keep dumping HoTs on everyone as it costs me a bit of action points but they regen quickly. The Archmage gets a proper heal only at about lvl 8 or 9 I think but it has a long cast time unless you are able to build magic focus by doing dmg which is really difficult to manage. You won't be casting that heal on anyone getting focus fired except a good tank. My usual tactic would be to cast my morale heal followed by the long cast heal while my 2 HoTs are ticking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'magwo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=130143#post13 0143
I had the same view on those levels. My chosen is now level 25. With sorc buff and his career tactis he is now building enough hate to aoe tank. DPS with the sorc is great and a zealot can heal me quite easily even if three of us fighting a hero on our level.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'magwo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=130143#post13 0143
What class in WoW at level 6 or 8 made your say "F yeah, I'm the win?"Quote:
Originally Posted by 'magwo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=130143#post13 0143
Maybe there are a few: Twinked Hunters, Rogues, Mages and Warrior. No way a priest, druid, shaman.
Rune Priest can actually laugh at a same level melee tank at Rank 11, 1v1. A Rune Priest has instant HoT and Heals and bubble. Dot and a Rune Nuke.
Yes, I agree with this subject header. War Hammer Online sucks. The installation doesn't even work.
Installation works fine....
Not on Windows Vista it doesn't. It doesn't create an icon to start the game from on the Desktop or in All programs. The icon is buried in the Games folder. The installation of the EA Download Manager is not needed and the instructions are very vague about the use of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Kopitar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=131914#post 131914
My opinions, based on leveling a 29 DoK, 17 Sorc, 11 WE, and 10 Zealot.
Pros:
- Leveling in PvP. Gaining experience in pvp, along with a separate pvp level is a great idea.
- Class/Race restricted gear. There's not much fighting over loot, as in general only one class can use a particular drop. I've yet to see a boss drop loot that nobody can use (14 classes per side, 6 people in a group, and I've done Gunbad a half dozen times and the drops have always been for one of the 6 people present.)
- Public Quests. Great way to do group-based PvE that doesn't require as much of a time investment as an instance run. They're also great scripted events that are quite fun.
- Class variety. Even though there are only 4 archetypes (Tank, Healer, Melee, Ranged), no two races share the same class.
- Interface customization. The in-game Layout Editor is the best thing to come to a game's UI.
- 50/50 server pop caps. Each faction has a separate concurrency cap. If there are 1500 destruction and 500 order online, a destruction player may have to wait in a queue while the order player can log straight in.
- The Tome of Knowledge. WoW achievements, but 10x better.
- Healing is FUN. With lots of instant heals, HoTs, and AE heals, there's no healer shortage (6/14 people in my guild over 30 are healers.)
Cons:
TL;DR version: WAR has some great ideas and I've definitely gotten my $50 worth, but it's just not fun enough to keep me away from WoW after my free month is over.
- Poor graphic performance. I get 120 FPS in WoW on max settings. I get ~30-40FPS in WAR on max settings (hard to tell, since they don't have a way to show it, but it's mostly smooth with frequent stutters.) It runs about the same as AoC did on my machine (C2Quad, 8800GT 512, XP, 4G RAM.) On max settings it looks about the same as WoW, and definitely worse than AoC.
- Mail lag. Oh. My. God. There is NO REASON why it needs to take 5-10s to open a mail, 5-10s to get the item out of it, and 5-10s to delete it. And that's during off-hours, during peak it can take over a minute.
- Too many Public Quests. There are generally 2-3 per zone, which is a level range of maybe 2 levels. People tend to grind on the first to max out their chapter influence then skip the rest, which means nobody really does them. They should have stuck to one PQ per chapter. On my DoK I haven't been able to complete a PQ since around level 12 (so no PQ for 17 levels.)
- Too many snares, roots, knockbacks. Seems like every class has them, and some get more than others (Ironbreakers... grrrrr...) Melee range 100 yard AE knockback? In a scenario with lava? Bad idea. There's a reason why I refuse to queue for Tor Anroc anymore.
- Ability latency. Not so noticable for melee, but for casters it's really annoying. You hit the ability, you pray it goes off. Sometimes I'll spam the hotkey 4-5 times before it finally casts. This is even worse with Morale abilities, where sometimes I'll sit there spamming it 10-20 times before it actually goes off. The best part is that the animation displays every time, even if it didn't actually go off.
- Crafting. Sucks. Badly. 5 gathering 2 production? And the 2 production ones are basically WoW's Jewelcrafting (gems only) and Alchemy (elixirs/pots only.)
- Chat system sucks. They're still working on it, but it's horrid.
- No official forums. People praise WAR for how there's no 'WoW General Forum' in WAR. Well that's because WAR DOESNT EVEN HAVE OFFICIAL FORUMS. Their devs wander around the fansite forums, but all the moderation is done by the fansites themselves (good in that they can be more ban-happy, bad in that there's no one-spot to go for information.) At the very least they should have made an official tech support forum.
- "Lets make grey items that hide on a quest tab in your inventory you have to right-click on to complete a quest, but we won't stick a USE: text on it or anything!" = bad idea
- You have to accept EULA EVERY SINGLE TIME you run the game
- Travel is tedious. I realize I'm just spoiled from WoW, but there are far too few flight paths in WAR for my liking.
- Auto bag size increase. You start with 2 'bags' and get an additional one every 10 levels. It's kinda nice, but it's very frustrating making an alt and having to play the first 10 levels with little to no inventory space.
- Leveling speed is horrible. 1-10 is fast, then suddenly 10-20 is slow. 20-30 has been horrible, and after about 5h playtime to get halfway through 29 on my DoK, I can't bring myself to play it anymore. With 80 RvR levels, you'd think they'd make it fast to hit the normal level cap, and long to hit the RvR cap.
Extremely nicely writen with just the right amount of detail. After playing it for about 2 hours, I think I'm done. They can have my $100 for the two accounts I created on there. I thought it was something in my setup where it kept asking for the acceptance of the EULA. Thanks for confirming that along with some other things that I had wondered about... Back to work on my WoW alts...Quote:
Originally Posted by 'kadaan',index.php?page=Thread&postID=132728#post1 32728
WAR is PVP and I enjoy pvp more than pve.
WoW is PVE, I don't like investing a whole lot of real life time sink doing raids.
I won't know 100% sure if I'm going to stick around for WAR's RvR end game. I've rolled 4 sets of 2-boxed toons to Rank 20 already, and I do feel burnt out doing the low levels--luckily, my guild moved to a nice server where the T1 and T2 scenarios pops faily fast (less than 5 minutes) that I hardly did pve/quests to reach Rank 20 this time around.
Speaking of levelling grind, I'm not sure how I feel when WotLK comes out to grind 10 more levels to 80 and do the whole gearing up via honor/arena bullcrap.
Hmm i have Vista 64, and it installed fine for me, you forgot where you installed the game to and couldn't find the exe?
WAR is a good PvP game.
I think it's really silly to be bashing WAR for not being as polished as WoW.
Anyone who played at release knows what a mess WoW was back then.
Ofc Warhammer is far more PvP based then WoW but that doesn't mean you can draw some comparison between both games since it all comes down how much fun a game is.
I played a black Orc to Lvl22 and have to admit I was really impressed. There is really a lot of nice stuff in there and you can see how much time and effort these guys at Mystic have put into the game during its development.
The thing I really like it the guild progression where certain features such as standards, special tactics and much more become available after a certain progression threshold has been passed.
I think Kadaan brought up some serious good points about the pros and cons about this game.
The thing which finally got me back to WoW is the lack of variety.
Right now you have RvR, PvE via quests and Scenarios.
On my server (due to population imbalance like on most) the queue times are a nightmare. I haven't been able to get into a single scenario since I hit lvl20.
So I did some RvR which is fun but due to the lack of flightmasters it really takes a while to get there and quite often by the time you finally arrive the there isn't much to defend or attack since you're just too late.
PvE is actually what really really put me off, which might be due to the fact I leveled so many toons ins WoW so the whole process of getting into the endgame content feels more lilke a chore instead of fun to me.
The mobs have some insane respawn times (makes sense with PQ though), combine that with their follow-range and most of them having some sort of range attack, makes questing just a real pain.
On my Orc I can easily put up a fight with 4+ mobs unless you mix some hero into it but the fights are just dragging on forever. I basically facepalming my keyboard like in WoW, hiting the same buttons all over again just for much longer.
I am still postively impressed by the release. It is quite stable, a lot of work have been put into it but it still needs a lot of polish.
Wotlk will most likely be the same WoW grind we all now and maybe by the time people have gone through it for the most part, Warhammer might have improved and will offer a really good alternative for people who just stay with WoW due to the lack of options gaming wise.