G15 (no macros used) ok?

The general rule for any 3rd party software OR hardware is...

If it utilizes any kinds of DELAYs, it is considered automation. One keypress = one action (per account).



Taking a look at our GM Conversations wiki section on delays and timers in out of game macros should help clear this up, but if for any reason you are still confused your best bet would be to start a thread on the official Customer Service forums and get confirmation from Blizzard themselves.

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One keypress = one action

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Vyndree... check the blizzard keyboard i linked in #5
G15 (no macros used) ok?

are you saying... the line isn't one key == one key per wow... but one key == one action per wow?
( any links to this info, oh goddess of the reference link? :D )

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Originally Posted by 'Knytestorme',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85927#p ost85927

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Originally Posted by '-silencer-',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85925#post85925

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Originally Posted by 'Deshu',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85877#post858 77

I use it for formations as well which do include a pause here or there.

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I specifically used a press-duration key for formations so absolutely nothing is automated. The longer I hold the key, the further the groups spread. I'm not willing to risk having a pause in a formation key being seen by Blizzard as automation.

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What do you mean by this?

If you mean you are using the "repeat while held down" option in the G15 macro option then this is considered automation by blizzard. If you mean you use your formations through keybinding the regular movement keys that would auto-repeat under regular WoW useage then you're fine.

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No, I'm referring to an AutoHotKey method. I don't use the G15 for anything other than keypresses and the G-keys to substitute for Alt+Shift+Ctrl+(1-9).
Awhile ago, there was a discussion about how to make formations using AutoHotKey, and one of the original threads mentioned having a key (F1 is my formation key) bound so that 1 keypress will send a signal to all WoW instances to "KeyDown, hold for 4 seconds, then KeyUp." The action bound to F1 on the alts depends on which direction you want that alt to move. Alt 1, move forward. Alt 2, move left, etc. However, this is a form of automation since it uses a delay, even though it's minor. I didn't want to take that risk, so my F1 key will now send a KeyDown action to all WoW instances, but not send a KeyUp action until I release the key. This method has no delay, and that's how I want it to work anyway. I like being able to choose my formation spread distance by how long I hold it down, and it uses no automation.

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Originally Posted by keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85941#post8 5941]are you saying... the line isn't one key == one key per wow... but one key == one action per wow?
( any links to this info, oh goddess of the reference link? ) [/quote]

This is the mantra they've been spouting on the customer service forums. I'll see if I can get you a link, since this is something I didn't bookmark. ;)

Basically it's "one key = one action per WoW account" -- because when you press "w" on a physical keyboard it's ok for one char to cast fireball, one to cast heal, one to cast shadowbolt, and one to cast sunder. As long as only one GCD action is made on each account it's all good. :)

Anyway, I'll search for linkage. BRB. ;)


EDIT: No beans so far, but I did find this which is inline with teh current discussion:
[url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440993299&pageNo=1&sid=1#4[/url]
[quote='GM Malkorix

Yeah, that's definitely a violation of our policies.

Basically, anything that circumvents our normal Macro rules, and automates successive key strokes is not okay. Basically, a cast sequence macro is fine, as each function requires a key stroke.

Something like this? Never okay, as a single press creates many keystrokes in succession in addition to several other prohibited functions (pauses in hardware functions, for example).

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EDIT #2: And here is the ORIGINAL "one keypress = one action" mantra that eventually added "per account in the case of multiboxing".... I'm getting closer...
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...geNo=1&sid=1#8

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Originally Posted by GM Malkorix

This is not okay. One hardware function = one action, according to standard macro rules. A hardware function is a keypress (including press/release) associated with movement and an ability/item. Obviously, our default macro rules enable you to use 'modifying' trinkets or abilities, such as nature's swiftness, plus a single spell all in a single press.

To clarify: No, you may not use hardware or software to auto-spam your shot rotations - period.

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EDIT #3:
Doh! It was in MY OWN THREAD!!!
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&pageNo=17#334

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Originally Posted by GM Belfaire

There's no double standard. You press one button, you get one action per account. They press one button, they get one action per account.

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Vyn, I think his use is valid for the toggling of the movement on the 4th character. Of course it'd be nice to have a blue post comment on this exact use of 'key toggling.'

There's still only 1 action per key press, it's just that the key press is toggled to an alternating movement command each time. It's almost identical to a movement-oriented version of /castsequence, but has even less of an effect on "fair gameplay".

Using a G15 to toggle a keybind:
Press and hold "key x", and alt #1 strafes left, alt #2 strafes right, and alt #3 moves back. Release and they stop moving.
Press and hold "key x" again, and alt #1 strafes left, alt #2 strafes right, and alt #3 moves forward. Release and they stop moving.

I'd ask for a blue post in the Blizzard forums about those last three lines, and see if they feel it's against the rules.

As has been mentioned, G15 keyboards are fine. Using the multiple-keys-with-delays automation/macro features of it are not. And don't be too smart by half and think that Blizzard won't be able to detect those macros. ;)

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Originally Posted by keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85864#post8 5864]the problem they have with it are delays. theoretically, you could use it to introduce a delay and your timer-based powers would auto-cast.. and that would be automation. this is strictly off-limits

there is another item that is gray area... and that would be out-of-game macros. basically, hitting 1 key and a series of keys go into the wow window as if you typed them very fast. i say it's gray area because they push 1 key hit == 1 key per window. this would break that mindset...

BUT... blizzard also puts out this:

[quote][url='http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000103

World of Warcraft®: Burning Crusade® ZBoard™ Keyset ($ 19.99)[/url]

http://www.blizzard.com/store/_image...pe=3&loc=en-US

The new Zboard keyset for World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade is now available. The new keyset includes many of its predecessor's cool and useful features, such as labeled keys and one-touch macros for frequent commands like /roll, /duel, /invite and /follow

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this is basically like the G15.. but cheaper and has no delays. BUT, it does allow you to hit a single button and an out-of-game macro (one-touch macro) will be pushed to the active wow window

if anyone has any info on this, i would love to hear it[/quote]

Oh wow.... so then setting up my keyboard to handle (I would imagine to be safe) SIMPLE macros is potentially validated by the fact that blizzard itself is selling an item capable of such acts?

The notion that 1 key must = 1 action (and not 1 keypress) means you could set up a G15 to send in /follow or /invite or /roll just like the WoW keyboard. In fact, the GM that said he uses the G11 pretty much validates that. He said you can create out of game macros as long as you can do the same thing in game and the keyboard macros act as extra macro slots.

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Here is the quote, it's also in the wiki

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"I use a G11 myself. Just don't use the macro keys to do anything a normal wow macro could not do in a single press. Think of them as extra storage for normal macros, and you're fine. "
Malkatorix, Blizzard Poster

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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1&pageNo=2#27

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Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86028#post 86028

The notion that 1 key must = 1 action (and not 1 keypress) means you could set up a G15 to send in /follow or /invite or /roll just like the WoW keyboard. In fact, the GM that said he uses the G11 pretty much validates that. He said you can create out of game macros as long as you can do the same thing in game and the keyboard macros act as extra macro slots.

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Here is the quote, it's also in the wiki

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"I use a G11 myself. Just don't use the macro keys to do anything a normal wow macro could not do in a single press. Think of them as extra storage for normal macros, and you're fine. "
Malkatorix, Blizzard Poster

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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1&pageNo=2#27

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This is correct.

Like almost every piece of hardware, the G15 itself is not bannable. Using the G15 in a way that breaks the ToU would be against the rules.

I remember some AFK botters gloating about their "unbannable hardware" -- they'd rig up oscillating fans with sticks to press their keyboard's spacebar and keep them from going afk in a battleground. A keyboard and an oscillating fan are not bannable on their own, but the way they used them was bannable. Make sense? :)

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=86036#post8 6036

I remember some AFK botters gloating about their "unbannable hardware" -- they'd rig up oscillating fans with sticks to press their keyboard's spacebar and keep them from going afk in a battleground

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HAHA Rube Goldberg is a botter.