Achieve your PVP goals this season?

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Originally Posted by Shodokan

Getting queues in 70s bracket or 80s bracket is very hard to do past 2300 (a friend tried). The MMR system is screwed up for sure especially in rbgs. But numbers do mean something.

We're all aware I was ddosed in the past for beating top players, so thats why i havn't touched arena on my main battlegroup since that happened.

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Getting queues at 70 is as easy as setting up several teams to wintrade at 70 with the objective of getting the 2700 achivement in 3s, just because your friend couldnt do it doesnt mean its not rampant. Your numbers may mean something to you which is fine and was part of my earlier post. Your numbers dont mean anything to anyone else but you and most see making threads about it as a plea for attention.

You could of easily put in the body of your post that you did or didnt hit your personal pvp goals and give an open ended question for others. Why do you think anyone gives a fuck about your numbers? You do this in almost every pvp thread. You're not a special snowflake, but for dialogue sake please tell us why numbers mean something in this game(other than receiving T2). With all the cheating, exploiting, wintrading, boosting, carrying, feeding, sniping, plioting going in this game. Please for the love of god tell me how your numbers or anyones numbers should mean anything to anybody.

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@ Fat tire (regardless of shodokan's post)

Numbers might have lost value due to all the manipulation and the mmr screw up in the early cata seasons, as well as they might have lost epeen value within the pvp community. But in the end a number now is no different from what it used to be in the past, it's just a number. That's pretty much how the whole achievement system is designed. Once you have obtained a certain number/achievement, it becomes less attractive; as it's no longer a goal. There are still a good bunch of people out there who try to pursue that number goal, and for them it's a milestone when they reach it. That's pretty much the only importance.

Peer pressure and social value are everywhere in WoW, and are basically irrelevant. Back then and now.

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Originally Posted by zenga

@ Fat tire (regardless of shodokan's post)

Numbers might have lost value due to all the manipulation and the mmr screw up in the early cata seasons, as well as they might have lost epeen value within the pvp community. But in the end a number now is no different from what it used to be in the past, it's just a number. That's pretty much how the whole achievement system is designed. Once you have obtained a certain number/achievement, it becomes less attractive; as it's no longer a goal. There are still a good bunch of people out there who try to pursue that number goal, and for them it's a milestone when they reach it. That's pretty much the only importance.

Peer pressure and social value are everywhere in WoW, and are basically irrelevant. Back then and now.

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Not sure if you are just confirming what I said in my post or are refuting it. Numbers are irrelevant to everyone but the individual player, with all the ways to cheat they can be seen no other way.

You connect cheating with numbers no longer being relevant. I say they never have been relevant except for setting individual goals. A 2.2k player is in the eye of the masses a god, whereas he is a noob in the eyes of a rank 1 player.

Highest AV kill count: 435
Highest IoC kill count: 236

Pretty proud of my efforts, inb4 GY farming with siege engine, they are legit turtling in boss room kills haha

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Originally Posted by zenga

You connect cheating with numbers no longer being relevant. I say they never have been relevant except for setting individual goals. A 2.2k player is in the eye of the masses a god, whereas he is a noob in the eyes of a rank 1 player.

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That is not what I said. I said cheating in its many forms has made numbers irrelevant no matter who views them outside of the individual player even then the individual is deluding themselves. That bold statement is just wow, you must be trolling. The system is rigged anyone and I mean anyone can reach any rating they wish to achieve with just a little bit of money. We dont know if shodo didnt cheat, we dont know if you didnt cheat, we dont know if anyone doesnt cheat. I have admitted that I have traded, krush traded and many of the people who see high rated players as gods(seriously wtf)....cheated outright or in some form. Number of high profile players got banned for doing pilot sells, most of them just leveled again or bought accounts and started right back up again only this time more careful. Why would the masses look at a 2.2k or any rating as a god when most likely it was gained illegitimately, lol. This has been going on since S1, it is not a new thing.

Should make a comp for the person to get the highest number of hks in a wsg, seeing as the max you can get is a tad over 500

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

That is not what I said. I said cheating in its many forms has made numbers irrelevant no matter who views them outside of the individual player even then the individual is deluding themselves. That bold statement is just wow, you must be trolling. The system is rigged anyone and I mean anyone can reach any rating they wish to achieve with just a little bit of money. We dont know if shodo didnt cheat, we dont know if you didnt cheat, we dont know if anyone doesnt cheat. I have admitted that I have traded, krush traded and many of the people who see high rated players as gods(seriously wtf)....cheated outright or in some form. Number of high profile players got banned for doing pilot sells, most of them just leveled again or bought accounts and started right back up again only this time more careful. Why would the masses look at a 2.2k or any rating as a god when most likely it was gained illegitimately, lol. This has been going on since S1, it is not a new thing.

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Again, you say cheating has made numbers irrelevant, i'm saying that numbers have always been irrelevant due to the stupidity of many wow players. I am not arguing that it's completely retarded that players look up against other players who have 'high numbers/achievements'. It might be just in Europe, but if you join a bg in T2 gear you get very often comments like 'wow sick gear' ... a good portion of the players treats you like a king all in a sudden. The same is true for pve. If you join a pug / random hc in full BiS gear or with a fancy title, you get exactly the same. Again I completely agree that such behaviour is utterly stupid, but it's wide spread. It's stupid behaviour regardless from the cheating/boosts. Even if this was a cheat free game and the ladders would reflect actual skill, it would still be stupid behaviour to be in shock and awe when you see someone with high rating/fancy titles.

As to explain that behaviour, I think you need social science experts for that. It's not something that only happens in wow, you see that everywhere online and in the real world. Greedyglobin was a blog covering this topic (he now moved to EVE online) and referred to those people as M & S, morons & slackers. Well I'm not gonna worry about why they exists or what their motivations are, I'll just take as much advantage of them as I possibly can. If x wants a boost and offers a reward that I value, he is more than welcome.

Note: it might be that I'm wording my PoV wrong in English, but I agree with you completely, but just go a step further.

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Originally Posted by zenga

If you join a pug / random hc in full BiS gear or with a fancy title, you get exactly the same. Again I completely agree that such behaviour is utterly stupid, but it's wide spread. It's stupid behaviour regardless from the cheating/boosts. Even if this was a cheat free game and the ladders would reflect actual skill, it would still be stupid behaviour to be in shock and awe when you see someone with high rating/fancy titles.

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This made me laugh remembering the time when I had the fanciest title you could get on my server ("<vodka>") and the way that I couldn't do a single group of any kind without someone commenting on it.

I think you guys are being too harsh on shodokan though. He's mentioning his ratings because he's proud of them, so presumably he earned them rather than cheating his way. The existence of cheaters in the system doesn't diminish accomplishment earned the old fashioned way. The fact that one kid cheats his way to a 1600 on the SAT doesn't diminish the accomplishments of those who did it honestly.