Arena are now ruined for boxers.

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Originally Posted by Mokoi

Anyone else with an intelligent comment? What do you guys think, and why do you think Blizz has added this? It sort of goes against everything we have been given for so long.

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It's a change that benefits the smarter ones. If you are able to adapt your talents based on the opponents comp, regardless of the level you play at, the change will benefit you. If you are not capable to adapt, the change will most likely have a negative impact on you. And that is pretty much a ranking based arena game is supposed to be in my opinion. I never understood why people assume that a 'deathgrip target in 1 button smashing macro' play style should be waterproof.

Either way it will open up plenty of creative opportunities, for boxers and for solo players. If you play ele's and see you are up against melee cleave, you can swap around some talents, which can only be a good thing.

You've been able to see your opponent's spec (HP/MP levels iirc) before a Rated BG match starts since they were added. Why not arena? I don't see how this 1 thing ruins arena for boxers. People like Shodokan will still do well regardless. People like me will still be stuck ~1800.

Knowing what 5x or 4x+Healer comp your facing before the match starts doesn't limit the DPS that team does against you. It doesn't limit their targeting accuracy. If you can't adjust your strategies on the fly and adapt to win, arena isn't the place for you.

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Originally Posted by Svpernova09

You've been able to see your opponent's spec (HP/MP levels iirc) before a Rated BG match starts since they were added. Why not arena? I don't see how this 1 thing ruins arena for boxers. People like Shodokan will still do well regardless. People like me will still be stuck ~1800.

Knowing what 5x or 4x+Healer comp your facing before the match starts doesn't limit the DPS that team does against you. It doesn't limit their targeting accuracy. If you can't adjust your strategies on the fly and adapt to win, arena isn't the place for you.

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Also have been able to see enemy team specs and comp in regular bgs as well for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Mokoi

Also, you CAN change specs when you see the other teams comp. You can't see their talent choices, but I think in PvP most of them will be pretty obvious, ESPECIALLY if they have knowledge that they are fighting a boxer group.

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If they allow that then that ability alone hard counters alot of comps. It kills triple dps because any hybrids will spec healing and go double healer. I wonder if it updates as the person changes spec.....

Personally, I like the change, it could be alot of fun trolling people. Everyone spec healing then at the last second switch or vice versa.

Edit: err this is 5v5, my bad. delete

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

If they allow that then that ability alone hard counters alot of comps. It kills triple dps because any hybrids will spec healing and go double healer. I wonder if it updates as the person changes spec.....

Personally, I like the change, it could be alot of fun trolling people. Everyone spec healing then at the last second switch or vice versa.

Edit: err this is 5v5, my bad. delete

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They already can change spec man. Happened to me, got farmed from 2453 to 2380ish because of it. Spriest/Rogue/Shammy turned into Rogue with legendaries + Disc priest + shammy.

It was one thing to have teams implement a couple changes at high rating knowing that they were likely facing a boxing team. It's another to have all 5 classes trivially respec to every aoe cc possible, even the healers, just before the match.

I don't know if this will ultimately affect your rating cap, but I think it will make the entire experience significantly more frustrating. Being cheesed and gimmicked to death isn't fun

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Originally Posted by heyaz

It was one thing to have teams implement a couple changes at high rating knowing that they were likely facing a boxing team. It's another to have all 5 classes trivially respec to every aoe cc possible, even the healers, just before the match.

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Good thing everything DR's really fast.

Shaman or healers are dead just that quick. I feel like we're on a different page, but maybe things are a lot different with DK's or a melee team. My experience was with shaman and they were very easy to shut down.

ok we have an own thread for this /copy

I'm sure many warriors would rather use avatar/safeguard instead of shockwave/mass spell reflection, same goes to warlocks as I dont see why anyone should use shadowfury instead of onr of the other 2 talents, I would also assume that some dks would choose descerated ground over remorseless winter ... guess you know how that list continues

now whats in for me? hm I see warrior/lock/mage/double heal and I assume they will all use their aoe abilities to keep me as long as possible cc'd while they are going to kill my healer ... well ... oh there are no talents that could improve my chances of winning

in fact is doesnt really matter if I play against a melee or caster team there is nothing essential I could change (shaman perspective)

maybe it helps you as a dk boxer but its utterly shit for shamans

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Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4

ok we have an own thread for this /copy

I'm sure many warriors would rather use avatar/safeguard instead of shockwave/mass spell reflection, same goes to warlocks as I dont see why anyone should use shadowfury instead of onr of the other 2 talents, I would also assume that some dks would choose descerated ground over remorseless winter ... guess you know how that list continues

now whats in for me? hm I see warrior/lock/mage/double heal and I assume they will all use their aoe abilities to keep me as long as possible cc'd while they are going to kill my healer ... well ... oh there are no talents that could improve my chances of winning

in fact is doesnt really matter if I play against a melee or caster team there is nothing essential I could change (shaman perspective)

maybe it helps you as a dk boxer but its utterly shit for shamans

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DKs are actually squishier in general than shaman after you blow your "oh shit" buttons. I guess the fact that we have an o-shit button matters. But if you are staggering your grounding totems it shouldn't be super difficult to deal with some of the up front AOE CC. Lots of the AOE cc is on DR though so you might get hit with 2-3 things after your grounding rotation is done. You can also trinket them and a good majority of them are 1-2 min cooldowns (shockwave is an exception).