Thinking about trying out Arenas for some change of scenery, and need some advice.

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Originally Posted by Cluch

Atrocious, I would love to hear an update.

I was thinking of jumping into some 2vs2 myself after getting bored with pve, maybe 3vs3. Like you, I don't really have any experience in arenas.

I've been thinking I have nothing to lose short of frustration from losing. However, I wouldn't mind a little insight on what to expect. As in, expect to lose your first 1000 games.....HA!

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It's very subjective on how well you do in arena. Basically what it starts with is monitoring a lot of different things and judge on that. Mainly your cooldowns and the oponants cooldowns. If you know you got tunnelvision while gaming. Dying in flames etc, then it might be tough. If you're aware of all those things in a PVE environement, then you'll probably do OK in pvp.

Basic thing is that people who die in fires in pve will suck at pvp.

Thank you Littleburst. Going to mess around with a few combos right now. Will update how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Cluch

Thank you Littleburst. Going to mess around with a few combos right now. Will update how it goes.

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Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Cluch

Atrocious, I would love to hear an update.

I was thinking of jumping into some 2vs2 myself after getting bored with pve, maybe 3vs3. Like you, I don't really have any experience in arenas.

I've been thinking I have nothing to lose short of frustration from losing. However, I wouldn't mind a little insight on what to expect. As in, expect to lose your first 1000 games.....HA!

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I havent PvPed in a week because I've been working on getting my finalized PvE team done, but in 2v2 I did not do well, but I have been experimenting with different setup in ISBoxer, so I think when I try my hand at it later this week, I hope I do better.

But as new to arena it is frustrating, was running a pally + ech shammy with all bloodied gear. Not inexperience plus not the most optimal characters = fail. :)

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Originally Posted by Atrocious

I havent PvPed in a week because I've been working on getting my finalized PvE team done, but in 2v2 I did not do well, but I have been experimenting with different setup in ISBoxer, so I think when I try my hand at it later this week, I hope I do better.

But as new to arena it is frustrating, was running a pally + ech shammy with all bloodied gear. Not inexperience plus not the most optimal characters = fail. :)

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I don't understand why anyone would box 2vs2. The only way I see you're able to win that is 2 double dps teams, where you win from the oposing team. In any other setup you mainly have a disadvantage by boxing.

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Originally Posted by Littleburst

I don't understand why anyone would box 2vs2. The only way I see you're able to win that is 2 double dps teams, where you win from the oposing team. In any other setup you mainly have a disadvantage by boxing.

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Because some of us were under the mistaken impression that controlling two in an arena would be easier. :)

So the interesting question would be, what would be easier to break into for a multiboxer with little to no experience? 3v3 or 5v5?

I'll do some more 2v2 just for experimentation and learning the PvP arena dynamic in a setting that doesn't earn me the crap that apparently MBs experience in battlegrounds.

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Originally Posted by Atrocious

Because some of us were under the mistaken impression that controlling two in an arena would be easier. :)

So the interesting question would be, what would be easier to break into for a multiboxer with little to no experience? 3v3 or 5v5?

I'll do some more 2v2 just for experimentation and learning the PvP arena dynamic in a setting that doesn't earn me the crap that apparently MBs experience in battlegrounds.

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The advantage Boxing brings is that you can coordinate burst and CC good, by some simple macro's + gladius. The more characters you have, the bigger the advantage.In 5's you should be able to kill someone relatively fast compared to 3's, since you can burst hard. In 3's it's more about timing your CC's well, so you can lock the healer out for example, while killing the dps. Personally, I never even came close to boxing 2's or 3's succesfull, allthough that was with Shaman.

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Originally Posted by Littleburst

The advantage Boxing brings is that you can coordinate burst and CC good, by some simple macro's + gladius. The more characters you have, the bigger the advantage.In 5's you should be able to kill someone relatively fast compared to 3's, since you can burst hard. In 3's it's more about timing your CC's well, so you can lock the healer out for example, while killing the dps. Personally, I never even came close to boxing 2's or 3's succesfull, allthough that was with Shaman.

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My lack of arena expertise made me think that doing 2v2 would be easier as coordinating CC and DPS there would only really be one option, CC one, kill the other. :)

But I totally see your point of in 5v5 it's "easier" as maybe even the most dedicated healer cannot out heal 4 vs 1 dps-wise.

In general I find that people are posting lots of strats, macros, setups etc. on the PvE issue, but very few are willing to share their PvP tips. So I just wanted to start with something and try to figure it all out by myself.

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Originally Posted by Atrocious

My lack of arena expertise made me think that doing 2v2 would be easier as coordinating CC and DPS there would only really be one option, CC one, kill the other. :)

But I totally see your point of in 5v5 it's "easier" as maybe even the most dedicated healer cannot out heal 4 vs 1 dps-wise.

In general I find that people are posting lots of strats, macros, setups etc. on the PvE issue, but very few are willing to share their PvP tips. So I just wanted to start with something and try to figure it all out by myself.

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The massive difference in that is that PVE is scripted, so you can comment on events you know that will happen. With PVP the only thing you can make a tactic for is against a certain setup and then still it's doubtful that it still works. Since for example, there's a huge difference in playstyles. One team could be recklessly offensive and the other team with the same setup can play very defensive. It just boils down to judging situations to where you see fit. I couldn't think of any "tips" to share.

Things that are generally usefull is knowing what spells/abilities every class has. And what cooldowns are on key spells/abilities. If a priest can cast a pain suppression every time your offensive cooldowns come free, you know that waiting for your offensive CD's and trying to burst then isn't gonna cut it. Watching some PVP vid's with commentary learns you most I think. Possibly read some guides for classes you're interested in.

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Originally Posted by Littleburst

The massive difference in that is that PVE is scripted, so you can comment on events you know that will happen. With PVP the only thing you can make a tactic for is against a certain setup and then still it's doubtful that it still works. Since for example, there's a huge difference in playstyles. One team could be recklessly offensive and the other team with the same setup can play very defensive. It just boils down to judging situations to where you see fit. I couldn't think of any "tips" to share.

Things that are generally usefull is knowing what spells/abilities every class has. And what cooldowns are on key spells/abilities. If a priest can cast a pain suppression every time your offensive cooldowns come free, you know that waiting for your offensive CD's and trying to burst then isn't gonna cut it. Watching some PVP vid's with commentary learns you most I think. Possibly read some guides for classes you're interested in.

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You see, now you're actually providing me with some hints and tips. :)

I'll head back over to arenajunkies and see if I can find some vids that aren't of the stroke my epeen type(ie. see me obliterate x teams to some black metal/electroica tune).

I guess that a good idea might also be to solo PvP with the classes a bit first to learn a bit more?